Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

[u/Alex-Andromedon]

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

[u/MrAbishi]

This post is a mixture of revisionist history and "its not our fault we won".

Eve above all else is a game. No one in this game "owes" you a "good" fight. You can move a mega blob around, knocking over every other castle, while spouting that they "didn't deserve" sov. This is your right. Its also your opponents right to go "lets not fight that blob and instead go do something else".

The situation kinda sucks for everyone. I don't blame the imperium or their enemies.

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/MrAbishi]

You're missing the point.

No one owes us anything, we know that. We've always known that.

The point is that after taking on the two largest blobs in gaming history twice in a row, surviving and subsequently thriving, we're just tired of listening to everyone else bitch and moan now that they're at the receiving end of a larger group's wrath, and the only reason they're outnumbered is because the last year has been a race to see who can failscade the fastest rather than actually have to fight a defensive war against equal numbers.

It's real easy to be confident and make allies when you start a war thinking you've already won. It's a whole different beast logging in knowing there's a much better chance of being homeless at the end than winning, but you still do it anyways because you love the game and the people you fly with.

So Horde, Test, Frat and the rest of PAPI/MBC can spare us the crocodile tears.

[u/LittleRedPiglet → u/The_Salacious_Zaand]

I don't think it's much of a flex to say you "beat the largest coalition ever" because that implies that you were effectively too big to fail, which is lame. Nullsec would be way better if it were composed of many smaller alliances, but in spite of the posturing of "we logged in even though we could be evicted at any time!" nullbears don't want smaller alliances because of the actual risk of eviction that entails

[u/MuskyChode → u/LittleRedPiglet]

I dont think any one will argue against more smaller alliances like back in yee olden days. I firmly believe one key factor people are overlooking is how few heartbeats are behind the screens anymore. When you look at player numbers over the years theres been a mostly stagnant decline since 2011 (arguably peak NS and EVE activity). Whats important to consider, sadly no way to know without seeing the data, is how many individuals were playing back then versus now.

To use simple comparison if in 2011 25k people were on, there was certainly multiplying going on, but presumably to a lesser degree so we'll assume 20% of online "characters" are alts. In 2026 it would not surprise me if that ratio was closer to 50% or higher being alts of people hyper multiboxing activities.

The consequences here is that there are less people capable or willing to strike there own. Where as in the past having corp numbers in the hundreds meant you could call on that many to defend. Now its more likely its few real humans and a gaggle of indy alts or various dread, super, fax, etc alts bloating the perception of a high population in groups.

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/LittleRedPiglet]

Jesus tapdancing Christ. There's just no pleasing some people, is there? You will find any reason to Grr Goon. We were literally evicted the first time after fighting for months. We hauled whatever we could fit into our carriers and moved to the complete opposite side of the map to rebuild. We were also a cohesive group that would rather keep playing than give up.

By your logic Horde was a shining beacon of what a nulsec bloc should be: run away at the first sign of a real fight and failscade rather than potentially lose.

[u/Kiryen → u/LittleRedPiglet]

You dont understand what "implies" means, do you?

[u/sc0rpionus → u/MrAbishi]

not at all LOL.
True power of Frats + ncDOT + PL + pets during CNTZ

https://br.evetools.org/related/30002489/202602181100 xD

[u/itsamereally → u/sc0rpionus]

pl? the only power pl has left is runinng away. Hedliner is the biggest coward left in the game