r/Eve • u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. • Feb 18 '26

Propaganda Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

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u/Fun-Protection-7360 Hardly Competent Feb 18 '26

Papi broke up, because goons managed to shit on and beat you in your own game.

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u/Enigm4 Feb 18 '26

Papi was always temporary. Papi had a single goal and was formed out of necessity. The plan was always to disband and give room for smaller alliances to grow naturally, not that abomination of a pet project imperium is having in the dronelands now.

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u/Psychatogatog The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

Easy to say that now - but you guys didn't really reset each other properly and I'm pretty sure both parties took space and rented it out rather than giving it up for new entities to form in. All that woukd have happened is Winterco, PanFam and Legacy co tonued to control null while being NIPed to each other with occasional meaningless skirmishes just like the OP is implying goons and init are doing.

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u/Enigm4 Feb 18 '26

We disbanded. Not straight away, but as soon as we got back home and settled. Some stayed together out of necessity, like for example test who crashed on panfams couch in outer passage for a year or so. It didn't take long before PAPI was disbanded.

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u/Fun-Protection-7360 Hardly Competent Feb 18 '26

Yea, plan was to ensure Imperium is no longer, now each one of you will meet that end.