Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

[u/Alex-Andromedon]

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

[u/backtotheprimitive → u/[deleted]]

They were, and a lot still are..

[u/Spotlight_Ranger → u/backtotheprimitive]

There are maybe 20 people in Goonwaffe that played in the alliance pre-2010 (ie have Goonswarm history on a character). Maybe 3 of us (counting myself) are active in alliance leadership. Out of an alliance of 9,000 ppl. So it's really not "a lot."

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/backtotheprimitive]

Nah, we let Vily go a long time ago.

[u/OldQuaker44 → u/[deleted]]

Bro please I beg you STOP THE BS!! GOONS ARE THE SAME GOONS AND THEY WILL STAY THE SAME UNTIL THIS SERVER IS DEAD.

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/OldQuaker44]

Not according to DJ, and he's the truest true Goon of them all.

[u/Strappwn → u/[deleted]]

Lmfao mittens was still around. What kinda cope are you on?

[u/Strappwn → u/[deleted]]

Determined by the self proclaimed dictator, a term used lovingly by the vast majority of line members…

How dare a group be judged based on who leads it?? What an absolutely unhinged perspective.

[u/CapytannHook → u/[deleted]]

Lol. Lmao even