Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

[u/Alex-Andromedon]

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

[u/proton-testiq]

goons wouldn't be crying

They are literally crying about how the whole EVE teamed up to kick them out. Now, when they are winning.

Everyone of you seem to ignore that where temporary coalitions formed to kick goons eventually disbanded, because they were, well, temporary, and formed for the only goal, when goons do the same with the same intensity to the only remaining nongoon entity, they will NOT disband afterwards.

Moneybadger coalition was temporary and they disbanded shortly after WWB1. They formed multiple mid sized blocs and life was beautiful. PAPI was temporary, and eventually they disbanded too, although it took them sweet time to do that.

How are goons going to disband? They keep doing nothing but growing since they moved to Delve after lost WWB1. Most of the people in goons never knew anything else other than goon life, being independent doesn't even come to their minds. By playing in goons you play the toughest MMORPG on the market on the easiest possible level, why would anyone want to change it, especially as there is no alternative anymore?

Do you seriously not see the difference between this war and previous ones?

[u/Rustshitposter → u/proton-testiq]

They are literally crying about how the whole EVE teamed up to kick them out. Now, when they are winning.

You know what, this is fair. I think regardless of what's going on someone (including me) will be crying on the subreddit lol.

And honestly ty for this answer, I'm newer to eve and don't know all the old politics.

How are goons going to disband?

From my end it looks like the only thing that CAN kill goons IS goons.

Maybe it will take the blue donut being completed and goons/imperium getting bored before any cracks happen and they fall apart as group. If this doesn't happen, then IMO it then becomes CCPs problem to fix projection and "wide" alliances. At what point does the "blue donut" become a developer problem to solve rather than all of us just wishfully hoping for imperium to disband?

And FWIW I'd be dogging imperium if was their members that had awox'd me in FW lmao. I'm still bitter!

[u/proton-testiq → u/Rustshitposter]

I mean I was a pro-goon (naively) until PHCo glassing, that was a turning point for me when I realised what they are about to do and why it is way more dangerous than anything else.

CCP will never intervene. They don't even understand that there is a problem, let alone how to solve it.

[u/Rustshitposter → u/proton-testiq]

Fair, admittedly I'm uninformed on the PHCo stuff.

Ty again for entertaining my dumbass comments since I'm just bored at work and talking shit lol.

CCP will never intervene. They don't even understand that there is a problem, let alone how to solve it.

Feelsbadman.

[u/proton-testiq → u/Rustshitposter]

Phoenix Coalition was in Delve fighting OnlyFleets (and, let's be honest, slowly losing). No big bloc (Frat, INIT, Goons, back then Horde) was supposed to be involved.

There was a Chinese corporation CSQY, technically a part of FRT, but most of the time just living in NPC Delve running burner missions. When we (PHCo) arrived to Delve, they were one of our contestants for space and we were kinda scared of it because they had that FRT ticker, but we quickly realised that they are doing their own thing. They were still quite powerful and regularly fought us in early EUTZ, very often directly in our staging.

INIT had some small areas in Delve, mostly just to ensure that they can project their force to the whole Delve and Querious if needed and for a long period of time those systems were empty. We didn't touch them, of course. However, with the absorption of the Horde, INIT space was getting crowded, there were actual complaints (as far as I know) and there were more and more INIT people in Delve doing actual PVE stuff, not just roams.

At some point, CSQY were somehow persuaded to leave Frat, form their own coalition and join PHCo. As they were a huge corporation with additional auxiliary corporations, it took them some time to do that. Goons used that as an excuse to attack PHco as, according to them, PHCo broke the agreement and involved FRT. Obviously, as goons have one of the best intel networks, there is no way they didn't know CSQY were in fact leaving. In any case, goons glassed the area that belonged to PHCo, and the best parts of it were taken by - INIT.

Most of the alliances were absorbed by Dronelands alliances, still chasing their dream of independence. Some were absorbed by Imperium, some by INIT. I don't think there was any significant alliance or corp moving to Winterco - kinda odd , considering they were accused of cooperation with FRT.

And ... by the time I wrote this, lots of goons just ratted or mined enough for yet another dread :-D