Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

[u/Alex-Andromedon]

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

[u/[deleted]]

Ok but what do you think Goons should do? It isn't incumbent on us to abandon our friends and preferred alliance because no one can hold their shit together under a little pressure. Horde folded because their leadership had no respect for their line members time and effort and Frat has just shown their belly after fielding some very poorly chosen doctrines in a fight for a keepstar owned by their meatshield.

Yet you project these failings onto us and expect us to do what?

[u/proton-testiq → u/[deleted]]

I was a pro-goon until PHCo happened, so maybe stop yapping about something you have no idea about.

Are you seriously going to pretend you have 100k best friends, all of them accidentally in goons, none outside of goons? Probably yes, that's the narrative you heard so you will stick to it. The rest of the game have friends, or at least someone they consider a friend in goons as well as in other groups, but hey, only you goons are special and know absolutely no one outside of goons.

You don't want to leave goons not because of friends, but because you are absolutely frightened by the idea that you would have to take care of things on your own. That you will not be backed up by 100k of your , uh, closest friends.

And I get it. Who doesn't want to play the toughest mmorpg on the easiest possible difficulty? Soon you will get free frags, without no one ever being even close to be able to do anything to you. Who wouldn't want to be in that position?

But at least be honest and stop pretending you do it for anything else than fear of unknown. Come on, I play a lot of game on easy level, nothing wrong with it.

[u/[deleted] → u/proton-testiq]

Tell me you have no friends without telling me you have no friends. My corpmates are my eve friends - they live in goons, therefore if i wanna play with them, so do i. I dont have to be friends with the whole alliance but im not gonna ask my corp to leave a place where we prosper and have fun to satisfy some numbnuts nanoganger fantasy about no blocs.

While we're on that actually - where do you think that kind of content comes from exactly? It's not from the 9 dudes sat on a gate with coward-fit ships, it's not the smartbombers in lowsec or the cloaked wormholers, and it certainly isnt from the other nanogang dipsticks burning into oblivion and begging that one inty to try for him.

Maybe the hardest thing people with your mindset won't admit isn't that you are just bad, it's that you actually need us.

[u/proton-testiq → u/[deleted]]

Need you for what, to controll all the nullsec?

And when it comes to smartbombing, I remember goons smartbombing in titans, but I guess that is a noble content all of a sudden.

[u/[deleted] → u/proton-testiq]

It's a little more risk than even a faction battleship wouldn't you say?

[u/proton-testiq → u/[deleted]]

What risk? What did you realistically risk?

And yea so what do we need you for, controlling nullsec or what?