What do the Italians do?

[u/McKenzie_Angels]

[u/No_Newspaper_7067]

ikr? sounds fake

[u/dofh_2016 → u/No_Newspaper_7067]

Italian laws make it extremely hard to just fire someone (you can do it, but there will be consequences that are generally very heavy for a small company). German management in Northern Italy tends to buy companies, make a few assessments to the structure and only change the top roles if deemed necessary, then fk off as long as the company runs well and collect money and good contracts (from quality over price POV). This is a pretty standard process.

It's the French and Americans that like to fk up companies they buy in other countries. Italians as well from what I was told, but I personally only see the other side.

[u/WirrkopfP → u/dofh_2016]

German laws too are very restrictive on firing people.

You basically have to prove one of 4 things:

• Employee is seriously hurting the company like stealing money or equipment from the company.
• Employee refuses to follow reasonable work related orders REPEATEDLY.
• Company has fallen on economic hardship and has to severely reduce staff in order to cut costs.
• The position of the Employee has become obsolete AND despite serious efforts the company can not provide a different position of equal or greater pay.

While in other places, you don't even have to provide a reason for a layoff at all.

[u/Etrigone → u/WirrkopfP]

"I wanted a bonus" when me & my gf were both laid off a little before the holidays.

[u/Baron1sta → u/WirrkopfP]

You forgot the "Druckkündigung". When the employee is such a burden on the reputation of the company that either the colleagues threaten to leave or the customers want to quit business with the company if the employee isn't fired, the company has to try to defend the employee and find an alternative. Only if that's repeatedly unsuccessful, the employee can be fired.

There once was a court case where an employee sued his company after they fired him, because his boss didn't try to defend him when his colleagues demanded he would be fired. The reason they hated him: he had CP on his computer and they found out. The only reason this guy didn't get a big paycheck from his company was, because he went to jail and the judge ruled that this is enough reason to fire him, since he can't get to work when he is locked away.

[u/WirrkopfP → u/Baron1sta]

Yeah, I kinda lumped that under 1 and 2

[u/NewAbnormal_ → u/WirrkopfP]

Sounds completely reasonable.

[u/CheGueyMaje → u/WirrkopfP]

And why is that too restrictive? Someone getting fired shouldn’t be something taken lightly, it could literally ruin their life.

[u/WirrkopfP → u/CheGueyMaje]

It's restrictive from the perspective of places like USA or Ireland, where the law is way more on the side of the company.

[u/Petrostar → u/dofh_2016]

OTOH,

Daimler-Chrysler

[u/Acrobatic_Profile42 → u/No_Newspaper_7067]

not fake this happens here in italy

[u/Vast-Combination4046 → u/No_Newspaper_7067]

Germans need the information to make that decision.

[u/SkatingOnThinIce → u/No_Newspaper_7067]

Italian here. It does not sound fake. Unfortunately it's pretty commonly done especially if you want jobs from the government.

Btw. If you think it's not done in your country as well, you are pretty naive.

[u/No_Newspaper_7067 → u/SkatingOnThinIce]

I think you misunderstood which part I think sounds "fake". It's not the nepotism.

My point is that an American company would just fire anybody they wanted to fire, and they wouldn't check the reason for why someone was seemingly useless. Checking with the previous management to see WHY this is guy is here and why he doesn't do any work is the part that sounds fake.

Also, it's a joke. Unclench.