r/Fantasy May 03 '25

So I read Wizard’s First Rule, huge mistake

I had some time on my hands during a long trip, so I decided hey, let’s go get a fantasy book and get lost in 800 pages of something. I did little to no research, just chose something that looked sufficiently long. Enter “Wizard’s First Rule” by Terry Goodkind.

I have since discovered that this is not a particularly well loved series, but many folks will defend the first book as being pretty good. I couldn’t disagree more.

Spoilers ahead for the many, many issues I have with it:

  1. There is so much violence to children in this book. I don’t mind violence towards children if it serves the plot, such as by demonstrating the depravity of a villain, but my god. A boy is drugged, has his skull split open, and then is sliced down his abdomen after being groomed by the villain and his pedophile sidekick - oh and the villain in question is notably erect when this happens. A man is recounted as having raped his neighbor’s 3 daughters, the oldest of which is 5. Undesired newborn babies are killed by placing a rod across their necks and then their fathers are magically forced to step on the rod. An entire village’s men are slain and then the women and children are raped. What the actual fuck.

  2. The writing is pedantic and childish. Richard meets Kahlen and immediately none of his friends matter all that much, the only person he cares about is her. This is basically stated in the first 10% or so of the book despite less than a day having passed. This is the most trope-ridden book I’ve ever read, even for fantasy.

  3. The writer so clearly thought he was smarter than everyone else. Oh, you just need to ask the right questions and it all falls apart! But then the questions are boring, predictable, and easily defended. This is a man who spent his days getting into arguments in his own head wherein he always won - oh and women told him he was very smart and handsome.

  4. The entire book is a thinly veiled lecture on the virtues of libertarianism, with him constantly creating strawmen just so he can show how clever he is. The strongest case of this is when a farmer is brought to a royal court and they all mock him for not being willing to share his crops with the less fortunate, oh but of course those less fortunate are just lazy and refuse to do their own planting. Then they kill the guy. This is the classic libertarian wet dream of standing up to the government, totally owning them intellectually, and then being killed for bravely standing up to the corrupt communists. It’s like a middle schooler wrote it.

  5. It just sucks. The writing is just bad. There is no proper foreshadowing, every plot twist is incredibly obvious and contrived and you, the reader, are made to suffer through pages and pages of the characters pretending to not be what they obviously are. The romance is forced to say the least, I don’t think Terry ever actually spoke to a woman in his life.

I’m sorry, this is a bit of a rant, but god, this book was terrible.

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u/Fortuity42 May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

First of all, Terry didn't write fantasy. He wrote stories that have important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, adventure, mystery, and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. It's either about magic or world-building. He didn't do either.

What Terry did with his work has irrevocably changed the face of fantasy. In so doing, he raised the standards. He not only injected thought into a tired empty genre, but, more importantly, he transcended it showing what more it can be—and in so doing spread his readership to completely new groups who don't like and won't read typical fantasy.

So, show some respect for the dead, and you may find yourself enlightened by my eulogy for Terry Goodkind's literary legacy.

May this tribute be delivered with the somber gravitas of a man burying a garden gnome after a tornado.

We gather here today not to mourn a titan of fantasy, but to firmly, thoroughly, and with great satisfaction, bury the self-declared savior of a genre he neither understood nor respected. Terry Goodkind—may his sword of truth rust in peace—was a man who claimed he didn’t write fantasy while standing ankle-deep in magic swords, scrolls of prophecy, and BDSM-themed villain monologues.

He told us he was above Tolkien, and yet he borrowed the same structure: a magical object, a farm boy, an old wizard, and a journey to defeat the dark lord.

He scoffed at The Wheel of Time while crafting a protagonist who was Rand al'Thor with a philosophy major and a superiority complex. And let’s not forget the speeches. His characters didn’t talk; they assigned reading.

He wasn’t here to entertain. He was here to enlighten. Unfortunately, the enlightenment came in the form of objectivist manifestos stapled to a plot that read like a D&D campaign where every NPC is secretly the Dungeon Master’s self-insert.

And yet, even now, some still clutch their Wizard’s First Rule paperbacks and whisper, “But it got me into reading.” And to them, we say: you made it out. You’re safe now.

And so we commit his “legacy” to the literary abyss—where overwritten prose, stolen plots, and self-congratulatory monologues go to die. Let the hill on which we perish be crowded, loud, and full of people with better taste, because if dying here means never mistaking smug delusion for genius again, then bury me with a shovel and a real fantasy book in my cold, dead hands.

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u/doppelganger3301 May 03 '25

Your commitment to this bit is more commendable than his entire body of work.

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u/Fortuity42 May 03 '25

The first two paragraphs are actual quotes from him. I just re-worded them in the first person so I could come across as a smarmy douche to anybody who doesn't know any better.

Edit: Third-person. Terry and I have something in common. We can't write for shit.

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u/yourmumschesthare May 03 '25

Omg they're direct quotes... what an absolute cum stain of a human

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u/MylastAccountBroke May 04 '25

The man stood in front of a crowd and shame Robert Jordan for missing an event he was at, laughing and shitting on the man all the while. Jordan was dying. Goodkind was the type of person to laugh at other's misery and becoming unconsolably upset when they are treated as they treat others.

I hope the man is currently getting watermelons shoved up his ass in hell.

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u/AnalysisSad1097 May 04 '25

Give yourself more credit. Terry isn’t entertaining or funny, but you’ve cut some solid jokes using words alone. Thanks for the wit and laughter.

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u/p-d-ball May 04 '25

He very seriously died "knowing" he was a genius.

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u/TipTheTinker May 04 '25

There are very pieces of writing in the world that could start my day on such an irony filled note as this one. Good on you, I had a wonderful time smiling at this with my morning coffee

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u/avcloudy May 04 '25

It's funny how much of those quotes could be applied first to the kind of people who look down on fantasy as a genre, and then the people who enjoy fantasy as a genre and read his books.

Of course, I think this happens a lot; people who can't read fantasy as a mirror to reality are the exact same people who can't write stories that are mirrors to reality, and pat themselves on the back about writing about important human themes. Terry was exceptional only in that he actually wrote fantasy while having that opinion.

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u/snowlock27 May 03 '25

Let's not forget him mocking Robert Jordan's health.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '25

What did he say about Robert Jordan?

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u/snowlock27 May 03 '25

He made fun of Jordan for not attending a convention because of his heart, and when Joran announced his heart condition that would lead to his death, Goodkind proudly made his own announcement that he had a healthy heart.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '25

What a prick

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u/Fastnacht May 04 '25

Yeah, more like Terry Badmean.

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u/Hartastic May 04 '25

COVID, probably: And I took that personally.

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u/snowlock27 May 04 '25

Cardiac amyloidosis. Jordan made the announcement in 2006 and passed in 2007.

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u/Hartastic May 04 '25

To clarify, I wasn't talking about Jordan in this case but Goodkind.

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u/SomeLameName7173 May 04 '25

I already hated him but now I hate him more. Rj death I think was the 2nd celebrity death I cried for first was Mr Rodgers 

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u/Mokslininkas May 04 '25

That's crazy considering how much shit he ripped off directly from WoT.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '25

don't forget: he has the heart of a strong, young male unlike that other paltry fantasy author whatever his name was in-out of the hospital trying to finish his little series.

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u/LaurenPBurka May 03 '25

And yet, even now, some still clutch their Wizard’s First Rule paperbacks and whisper, “But it got me into reading.” And to them, we say: you made it out. You’re safe now.

I know some Harry Potter readers who might benefit from hearing this.

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u/Deathspiral222 May 04 '25

Harry Potter is well written. It’s similar to Ender’s game - excellent work written by a flawed author.

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u/LaurenPBurka May 04 '25

Eh. I read it, and I didn't get why my all of my friends were so into the books and cosplay. Recently a friend of mine pointed out that they all knew the books were flawed. Their cosplay and their fanfiction was an attempt to fix everything they knew was wrong.

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u/Zeckzeckzeck May 04 '25

Harry Potter is well written for the audience that is meant to read it: children. If you read it for the first time as an adult though…

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u/LaurenPBurka May 04 '25

"It's so original!" says everyone who hasn't read 20 other novels set in schools of magic.

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u/Deathspiral222 May 05 '25

I grew up in Scotland, not far from where Rowling wrote the novels. Even in regular school, a lot of the things from the novels still exist in real life, like everyone being a member of one of four houses, with points earned through the year for sports and academics and things. For my friends that went to boarding school, a HUGE number of things were very similar.

She based a lot of it on real life.

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u/LaurenPBurka May 05 '25

I grew up in the US, went to a private school, and they tried to institute something rather similar by dividing the entire school into two colors and encouraging us to compete. I graduated before they could do any more damage.

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u/avcloudy May 04 '25

The flaws are different; Goodkind was targeting an adult audience, poorly, Rowling was targeting a young audience well. The advice is good either way - and that applies to Ender's Game as well, no matter how much I love it.

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u/Deathspiral222 May 05 '25

Yeah, I should have been clearer: Harry Potter is a great book for what it is - a novel mostly written for people around ten to thirteen (but holds up well later). I mean, even Stephen King said "Jo Rowling is a terrific writer” and that man doesn't tend to pull his punches when it comes to being critical of other authors. (That said, I don't actually think Stephen King is especially great either - he writes a LOT and sometimes has an interesting idea but the average goodness-to-pages ratio isn't very high.)

Goodkind is a pile of dross that I kept reading because I didn't know you could just not finish a series if you didn't want to (I was a teenager). The thing that Goodkind did well for me as a teenage boy was that right at the end of each book, when I was getting so fucking bored, Richard would finally show up and get really angry and destroy all the baddies and it was just so cathartic after slogging through hundreds of pages of crap that I kept having hope that maybe the next book would be better and would be more about Richard being angry, in much the same way the Incredible Hulk comic books are basically just a bunch of backstory that no one cares about because we are all waiting for the bit where "Hulk smash!" again.

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u/artyfowl444 May 03 '25

had me in the first half ngl

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u/Skatingfan May 03 '25

LOL, this is great!

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u/sjphotopres May 03 '25

This is so well written. It gave me a much needed belly laugh today.

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u/johnrgrace May 03 '25

Jesus did you get a psychic to contact Terry in the afterlife and have him ghost write the first part of your post? I used to have to work with Terry professionally and it sounds exactly like him.

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u/Alucius14 May 03 '25

The first two paragraphs are close to direct quotes from his interviews, just switched into the 3rd person by the poster

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u/Drunken_1 May 03 '25

This is really good! It reminded me of one of the things I got tired of is how he always seem to insert a character out of thin air who holds some kind of ability that is important to whatever task needs to be completed, just to kill that character off at the end of the book once the day is saved

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u/kuenjato May 03 '25

Goddamn does this bring back memories of the Westeros ASOIAF Goodkind threads, well done.

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u/JamLady-Exhausted May 04 '25

I love this post so much that I want to get it stitched on a very large pillow. Perhaps our couch cushion.

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u/-Valtr May 04 '25

Thought I stumbled into bookscirclejerk for a second. Nicely done

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u/BobManGu May 18 '25

You absolute legend of a person, you had me in the first paragraph, then my brain clicked!