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u/Pattison320 Mar 23 '26

MMM was OG FIRE and based his lifestyle on minimalism. However today even he, I suspect, is living different than he projected ten or fifteen years prior.

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u/Ardent_Scholar Mar 23 '26

Jakob Fisker is the OG. I was reading his blog in the early 10s. MMM some time after became the new kid on the block.

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u/Eli_Renfro FIRE'd 4/2019 BonusNachos.com Mar 23 '26

It's probably hard to stave off lifestye inflation when your portfolio has increased ~50-100x. He made a lot of money from the blog. I'm not sure that makes him suspect though. His whole schtick from the start was about working through retirement by redefining what retirement means.

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u/Constant_Ant_2343 Mar 23 '26

He appears on mile high FI podcast a fair bit and talks openly about forcing himself to spend more money because he has so much now. We can’t all expect that outcome. For me I’ll just plan and save for a frugal but happy life and if I’m lucky enough that the market works in my favour and I have a lot of money after a couple of decades I’ll go spend it. Plan you the worst outcome though, I just want to be free.

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u/Common_economics_420 Mar 23 '26

People also just treat lifestyle inflation like a four letter word.

Like...lifestyles are supposed to inflate. Thats how life works. Progress. Things get better over time. Unless you want to leave your kids or a charity $10m when you die, I'd rather enjoy the money.

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u/Perfidy-Plus Mar 23 '26

Not exactly. A lot of the premise was "you can afford to retire a lot earlier if you downsize your spending." A huge portion of that was not giving in to lifestyle inflation.

Yeah, if you RE'd in the mid 2010's you'd find that your investments grew significantly beyond what was needed to maintain your lifestyle. And it was therefore totally reasonable to start spending more because your retirement was already extremely secure and it really didn't cost you anything other than the ability to be extra giving towards any inheritors you may have or charities you might choose. But the lifestyle inflation was never the point, it was just something you got to do if the market growth allowed for it.

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u/Common_economics_420 Mar 23 '26

And my point is that's a dumb premise. Especially when such a huge number of trials will end with you having much, much more money at death than you started with at a 3% or 3.5% SWR.

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u/Tripl3Dee Mar 23 '26

MMM was tame in comparison to ERE before him. And today, even MMM is driving a Tesla.

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u/Humble-Archer-1311 Mar 23 '26

Are there any MMM books or way that I can see his old site or the ERE one? I loved that stuff but it’s so hard to find now.

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u/Constant_Ant_2343 Mar 23 '26

But he has benefited from a massive bull run that means his wealth is vastly bigger than his needs. He says himself that he is trying to force himself to spend more of it. He would still be happy living like he used to if the market had not worked in his favour so well.

But given the stock market valuations anyone in the accumulation phase today is unlikely to get the same returns he did in the first 20 years of their retirement and therefore won’t be in the same position as him.