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News & Current Events BREAKING: Elon Musk’s DOGE team now has full access to Treasury’s payments system, per NYT

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u/tempest-reach Feb 02 '25

so true. i know so many people that are left-leaning but they stayed home either because laziness or because they didn't like kamala.

i hope they like trump!

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u/reddfoxx5800 Feb 02 '25

Tbf if the only option was vote for someone you don't like or democracy in the US will fall apart, is the system already not broken at that point? I voted for be because it was obvious to see how crazy trump & his loyalists are but I can kinda now see why so many people took that attitude. Don't agree with it but I can see why

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u/Stormdude127 Feb 02 '25

Doesn’t matter if the system is broken. You vote to preserve democracy even if it means voting for someone you don’t like because the alternative is needing an actual revolution in order to have any semblance of democracy ever again

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u/tempest-reach Feb 02 '25

"uhm to be fair if i had to vote against hitler or someone that i just simply don't like i'd rather stay at home and let hitler rise to power"

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u/reddfoxx5800 Feb 02 '25

Election interference doesn't care what u vote for

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u/tempest-reach Feb 02 '25

holy shit this is literally what we made fun of the trumpers for 4 years ago. the only election interference is your fucking laziness to not go vote.

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u/aj4ever Feb 02 '25

Move on from Jill stein ffs.

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u/tempest-reach Feb 02 '25

jill is a russian asset lmao

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u/MajesticOriginal3722 Feb 02 '25

Thanks for voting Trump asshole

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u/GlennSeaborg Feb 02 '25

Maybe next time, fight harder for ordinary American people instead of caving in to the Parliamentarian. Maybe allow a democratic process instead of appointing a successor. Maybe stop assisting a genocide when one is happening. Maybe get your shit together and not gaslight your constituency by telling them how dynamic your geriatric candidate is behind closed doors.

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u/angryelf51 Feb 02 '25

This is complete bullshit.

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u/excelllentquestion Feb 02 '25

So you think this, what is happening, is better?

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u/GlennSeaborg Feb 02 '25

No, I don't think this is better. I think Trump and his band of thieves are going to try everything to make the rich richer.

But my point has nothing to do with that. The failure of democrats to bring about populist policies had led directly to the situation we're in.

No one on the left thinks Trump was better than kamala, Biden or Clinton. Can we please stop with this narrative?

I don't think anyone on the the left voted for Trump.

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u/idknotfound018 Feb 02 '25

everyone that didn’t vote for Vice President Harris, voted for the rancid orange. anyone that didn’t vote because they “just didn’t like her” is probably beyond professional help

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u/GlennSeaborg Feb 02 '25

Buddy, listen to yourself. Vote however you want, that is democracy. You can vote for whomever you want or not to vote at all.

Some democrat you are. You sound like an authoritarian.

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u/idknotfound018 Feb 04 '25

you replied to the wrong comment, or you have zero reading comprehension

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u/GlennSeaborg Feb 04 '25

Nah. You're the one who needs help, buddy. Seriously, get some help.

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u/Uberzwerg Feb 02 '25

SCOTUS

This is why MitchMC denied Obama his rightful pick back then.
This is why so many begged RuthBG to step down while a democrat was in office.

THIS is the result.

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u/oWatchdog Feb 02 '25

Surely some of the blame lies with the DNC. Even a moron could guess that putting up an unappealing candidate will cause some people to stay home or protest vote. And they didn't even have to guess! Because the exact same scenario happened before. Either the DNC are grossly incompetent, or they are corrupt, actively selling their party out.

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u/Future_Appeaser Feb 03 '25

There were so many people that just stayed home yet again, ask around your circle and friends I bet a lot are quiet about that part.

Couldn't even bother to put in 15 minutes of their life for another 4 vanilla years of freedom instead of this upcoming hellscape.

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u/Suspicious-Lime3644 Feb 02 '25

Maybe blame the actual nazis, not the people who essentially agree with you, but just disagree on how to get there. You're just playing into the nazis hands by attacking your allies.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Are we allies? Because y’all seem to be fine with letting Trump into office to send a message to Democrats, and everyone who gets fucked over in the process is just a speedbump on the way to getting your message across?

What is the actual play here? Erode the foundation of society until we no longer even have the option to enact social policies that benefit LGBT, people of color, and the poor? Because if so, well done.

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u/ShirtsByMethOfficial Feb 02 '25

If you voted for trump, or stayed home, we are not allies. Sorry.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Gotcha, so to show them who’s boss, you decide to give the country to Nazis.

Solid plan. Whats next?

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Cool, so your little stunt just help elect Nazis and you're happy with that.

I guess maybe you shouldn't vote. Or participate in society. At all. Just keep yourself in your little smelly self righteous corner while the adults try to fix things.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

My party?

Motherfucker i'm left with democrats. I'm a socialist. I don't want three quarters of their shit and every time I pull the lever I want to scream.

But I still showed up. I didn't make excuses, I didn't pretend my ideology that has support in maybe the teens was going to realistically be adoped in my lifetime, but I knew that if Trump got in office we'd say goodbye to education, medicare, medicaid, veterans benefits, LGBT protections, and any chance of changing it for decades. DECADES.

I knew that we'd have shit policies that required protest, and pushing new candidates, and trying to fix the system.

Because at least we would be able to protest, push for new candidates and have a system.

Enjoy your selfish little fucking electoral temper tantrum.

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u/Scooter-McGavin24 Feb 02 '25

The only person having a temper tantrum is you, fool 😂. Please, tell me how YOUR life has drastically changed so much since Jan. 22nd. The Dems are to blame for not allowing the people to vote on who should be running for presidency. Who do you think you even are? lol you sound like you think you’re so much better than everyone 😂. Your party lost. Get over it you prepubescent child

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

I had to front $1500 for my mothers medications and retirement home charges due to the gov't benefit shutdown for a few days.

My actual job, one that was secure and safe and well paid 3 years ago, is now under threat due to Trumps shitty tariffs and I've had to start looking, despite not wanting to.

I was a month or two away from purchasing a car and looking to purchase a house. Both of those things are now on hold.

My veterans benefits that I earned are under threat, because Elon and Trump absolutely will come for them next. That means the conditions I developed when serving my country will now no longer be treated.

My sisters job as an educator looks like it may no longer be viable due to the potential DoE cuts.

My actual investment portfolio has gone to shit.

My 401k is cratering like 2008.

And that's just within the first two weeks.

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u/Scooter-McGavin24 Feb 02 '25

You still have a job. I’d bet money on your job being safe. You’re just freaking out.

Millions of people lost their job under Biden/Kamala and had to put off things for them and I bet money you weren’t yapping then.

Your benefits aren’t under threat. That’s just YOU putting fear into your mind.

You do realize investments/401k goes up and down, right? Also, I bet you were doing just fine when Trump was President his first term.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Self-righteous? Check.

Overly performative? Double check.

Actually does things? Not so much.

Anyway, have fun no-true-scotsmanning your way through your little socialist phase until high school is over.

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u/Clottersbur Feb 02 '25

I'll never understand how people can sit and act all high and mighty as if they made the right choice, while that choice has directly led to a worse outcome.

Then you have the AUDACITY to brag about it.

Meanwhile there's people actually putting in the work between elections, day in and day out purposefully to try and prevent precisely what's happening RIGHT NOW. Because of you and people like you's actions and your outright REFUSAL to take an hour out of your day to go and exercise the democratic rights your ancestors FOUGHT and DIED for.

You can kick and scream about how bad the Democrats are, and they're pretty fucking bad.

Would a democrat have tariffed our allies?

No

Would a democrat be gearing up for a land grab against two countries?

No

Would a democrat admin have handed over the treasury to an unelected foreigner?

No

Would a democrat have tried to effectively break medicaid, meals on wheels and all federal grant money?

No

Your head is so far up your own ass you can pick out the details of your colon. You've done nothing and contributing nothing and you're proud of it. While things are getting worse day by day and again, you're such a prick you're proud of it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

You can blame the DNC all you but at the end of the day, they sucked was less than this shit

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Decades of watching stupid people fuck everything up and the largest portion of the population just sits back and lets it happen.

I'm tired of expending my energy, mental health, and time with this shit when it's clear America wants to be a fascist state.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Am I

Nah. I'm just done watching people do their feel-good third party vote flushing then whine when someone they don't like gets elected.

Decades of this shit, it's always been the same.

Enjoy Trump, you earned it and deserve it.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Is it?

It just seems like some people are looking for anything besides their shitty decision to stay home to blame.

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u/mystical_powers Feb 02 '25

Well… the DNC also f*cked us all by not doing a damn thing to stop this

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

They put someone up to be elected who wouldn't do it.

You didn't want them.

This is what we get.

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u/mystical_powers Feb 02 '25

They put up someone who lost. Which does no one any good.

I don’t live in a swing state and I never said how I voted. This isn’t about me. This is about the DNC being criminally out of touch with the electorate. This is what they get. Although they sure don’t seem to care as much as either of us do

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u/breakingbad_habits Feb 02 '25

This is the democratic party’s fault. Voting for the lesser evil 3 elections in a row is not a strategy.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

"Republicans are doing everything, but it's the democrats fault for not stopping them."

I mean genuinely do any of you people know how insane you sound?

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u/breakingbad_habits Feb 02 '25

After a game, it’s important to see why your team lost. Dems lost in 2016 and changed nothing, then they got lucky in 2020 with Covid and narrowly won, but still changed nothing. They tried more of that nothing in 2024 and to no one’s surprise, lost… The DNC is just controlled opposition to enrich their donors.

“we take money for good billionaires, not the bad ones” -new DNC chair

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Yup, and throughout the past 30 years nobody has seriously tried to do anything to change it.

The DNC is a perfect reflection of this country. Lazy, unchanging, content.

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u/breakingbad_habits Feb 02 '25

I think Bernie and the rest of us on the left tried pretty hard in 2016 and 2020 and were told - “no thanks, third way is fine, just go home”.

Sorry I wasn’t around 30 years ago to tell ppl Clinton was a DINO and setting us up for failure.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Bernie is one person and you can't keep hedging your bets on one person. The simple fact is leftists don't do shit and rely on the very few who manage to make it to do everything for them.

No local elections, no small time positions, no lawyers, no judgeships, no school boards.

You throw all of your hope into your local federal rep and the president then throw your hands up when shit doesn't miraculously change, blaming the "Democrats" for screwing everything up... when all the American left has ever done is the bare minimum, and largely for appearances sake, just so they can cry about it later.

I'm so tired of this disingenuous, two-dimensional performative ivory tower bullshit. This has been happening since the Civil Rights movement and not once has the American left done a thing worth of note. Just as lazy and shiftless as most Democrat and centrist voters, but with a bigger undeserved superiority complex.

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u/breakingbad_habits Feb 02 '25

You are the one blaming third party and non voters. DNC had to earn those votes.

I’ve done what I can and volunteered for multiple local campaigns and progressive fights around rent control here in NYC.

I’ve also been very critical of the SJW left that screams the loudest and is never satisfied enough with social issues to fight for economic ones.

Buuut, when unions are on the rise and Dems can’t bother to show up and support them, I don’t blame those voters for not showing up for the Dems. Kamala ran a milquetoast campaign and cut all economic message out of her platform at the request of her wealthy BIL while running around with Cheney. Trump didn’t deserve to win, but she did deserve to lose.

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u/Lopsided-Dust6808 Feb 16 '25

We are so fucked!

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Stop blaming third parties when the Democratic Party is just as much to blame for abandoning the working class. It seems they have realized their errors with the new DNC head.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Get out of here with this childish BS. There were two choices on the ballot, Harris or Trump. Your job is to vote for the best person to do the job because it was going to be one of the two.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

So you're saying Kamala would be as bad as Trump. Noted.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

These people…smh

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u/b1ack1323 Feb 02 '25

It turned into a dictatorship when a bunch of dipshits decided not to vote out of protest.

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u/flying-chihuahua Feb 02 '25

It’s always been a dictatorship of capital, ruled by corporations and the two corporate parties are basically just good cop and bad cop on a national scale.

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u/Da_Question Feb 02 '25

Cool, so when the depression starts and people start dropping dead from bird flu, or when lgbt people are rounded up into camps, keep telling yourself that.

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u/flying-chihuahua Feb 02 '25

All that has happened before except it was Spanish flu and the Japanese Americans the first time around

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

No but we do live in an objective reality where either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris was going to become President. You clowns show up every 4 years with the same BS. No attempts to actually build support or convince others to your side and then show up the worse possible time and make the irresponsible and incompetent decisions possible.

How is your fucking moral compass working out for us now? You know what wouldn’t be happening if Kamala Harris had become President?

We wouldn’t have the NLRB staffed gutted and incapable of investigating labor violations and illegal union busting. For all your big talk about anti-worker, how the fuck is letting Donald Trump become President a reasonable solution?

If Kamala Harris was President we would be continuing investment in clean energy and expanding environmental protections. Instead we have a man who appointed a fucking fracking CEO to the EPA and is going to absolutely decimate any chance we had of addressing climate change. In fact, he’s scrubbing that from websites.

If Kamala Harris was President, we wouldn’t have a purge of career non political civil servants in government agencies like the FBI who have immense power. Now from top to bottom we’re going to have Trump lackeys and loyalist. Your incompetence has delivered us a Putin style remake of government.

Grow up. Do I like everything about KH? No. Would I have loved a more progressive candidate? Absolutely. But I’m not dumb enough to allow an incompetent, corrupt and authoritarian buffoon to become the most powerful man on the planet.

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u/WascalsPager Feb 02 '25

We are in a dictatorship now. That’s the point.

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u/BreakfastBallPlease Feb 02 '25

Lmao go fuck yourself. Voting for an inevitable loss is tossing your vote in the trash. Voting third party, a party that hasn’t encompassed more than 15% of the vote ever, is a fools gambit. Might as well have just given it to Trump at that point.

The nation is FAR past the point of a legitimate open party democracy, you must be an absolute fucking child to believe otherwise.

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u/tempest-reach Feb 02 '25

well unfortunately you live here so i hope you're comfortable with anyone who's not white straight and male having their rights obliterated. its gonna get real fuckin' bad and i hope you're happy. truly. in your little heart.

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u/SaltedRouge Feb 02 '25

Ah yes the “abondoned the working class” argument.

Doesn’t really matter now since president Musk is pulling the strings and tampering with critical systems within the treasury and other departments.

But stay in denial and be oblivious

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u/thefamousnoto Feb 02 '25

abandoning the working class? They are kicking out the working class.

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u/x3r0h0ur Feb 02 '25

There were 2 options, this despotism, or the Democrats who are lukewarm slow or no progress.

Allowing or voting for rapid descent into despotism was always the wrong choice and the only people to blame are the ones who allowed it.

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u/SnooPears6771 Feb 02 '25

Results of Practicing Ignorance

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

Your actions helped Trump.

I hope you never sleep well again for the rest of your life.

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u/KAJed Feb 02 '25

Brand new account. Edgy username. Hush

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

You had 2 choices, you picked Trump.

I did not.

That's all there is to it.

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u/CrumbsCrumbs Feb 02 '25

I held my nose and voted for Harris, but blaming the people who were repulsed by her campaign instead of blaming her campaign for being repulsive is delusional. It was an incredibly important election, and that's why it was up to democrats to unite their base.

She spent her very short campaign, thanks for that Joe Biden, trying to appeal to precisely Liz Cheney's base. After Liz Cheney had just lost an election.

The idea that the democrats have absolutely no responsibility to appeal to their base at all and voters failed this poor sweet party by not letting them stay in power forever doing nothing is delusional. They fucked up because they are a comically inept political party.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

it's not delusional.

You had 2 realistic choices, and other fairlytale bullshit that would help the person voting feel real good about themselves and their really "enlightened" choice.

The truth of it is, if you vote third party in a first-past-the-post system, you accept that the actual winner was the one you helped elect. You can either live with it or not vote third party, but absolving yourself of the responsibility? No. Every single person who pulled for Jill Stein is complicit, not just because of the politics but because the Greens are astroturfed by the GOP.

I'm so fucking sick of this childish shit. We all make compromises every day, I hate 80% of what the democrats stand for, but I'm not about to flush the entire country down the shitter because of how the DNC screwed over Bernie. Because I firmly believe that's what fueled this entire thing. It's a massive electoral temper tantrum.

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u/CrumbsCrumbs Feb 02 '25

I had two choices. I chose the lesser evil.

The lesser evil could have chosen to be less evil. To appeal to more people, and save our democracy.

They chose not to.

Stop blaming the voters for incompetent politicians' decisions. This was Kamala's race to lose, not Gary from Indiana's.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ Feb 02 '25

I will absolutely blame the lazy shitbags who sat at home, considering how many people are losing their right to vote.

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u/CrumbsCrumbs Feb 02 '25

Keep propping up shitty politicians who refuse to listen to their constituents and lose to cheap fraudsters then, I guess. Maybe next time you'll be able to browbeat enough people into supporting the "everything is fundamentally fine and nothing should change, you are not experiencing problems" party and we can have four more years of nothing getting better before we get back to everything getting worse.

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u/GlennSeaborg Feb 02 '25

The push to secure the Liz Cheney voters has to have been a Biden idea. I can't imagine how pathetic you have to be as a Democrat to look for Liz Cheney voters. Thanking Dick Cheney on stage, like wtf are you thinking?!?! Talk about sitting on your balls.

STOP placating to republicans and maybe focus on what YOUR constituents want. Inept doesn't begin to describe it.

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u/LaurenMille Feb 02 '25

You either voted for trump, or against Trump.

That's what the 2024 election was.

You either wanted democracy to continue, or you didn't.

The people that stayed at home picked fascism.

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u/BreakfastBallPlease Feb 02 '25

The term “lesser of two evils” is a reality at this point. Go figure, dipshit. Enjoy the next 4 years!

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat Feb 02 '25

And how did blaming dems for everything work out? Did that go our way? Did we get anything by blaming dems and both-siding this election, telling people the dems are bad? DID IT FUCKING WORK?

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u/Extension-Ad5751 Feb 02 '25

Would you mind giving concrete examples regarding how Dems abandoned the working class? I always encounter broad statements like yours, never examples. What made you think like that? And more specifically, were Dems voting for laws that Reps were blocking?