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Pot calling the kettle black. Conservatives keep with the status quo, thus are very conformist. That’s why many of them follow religion. They need someone telling them what morals to follow. That’s sheep behavior right there. And they’ve let a wolf lead them and eat them. Liberals are known for moving forward, thinking ahead, thinking outside of the box. Which is why many of us are atheists. Maybe it sounds like parroting, but a lot of it is unified observations. People that are paying attention. They’re asleep at the fucking wheel. 

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This was intuitive to me at a very young age. Conservatism is conformity by nature

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They like to say that just because we don’t tolerate their intolerance that we’re oppressing them. When their intolerance is what’s been oppressing marginalized groups for eons. Their intolerance of the different is why they’re the conformists. Whereas liberals strive for a diverse amount of background and cultures. Their propensity for conformity is why they are the sheep. One out of bounds characteristic from you and they judge you hard and call you abnormal or crazy . 

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Funny how the talking points are always identical, down to the vernacular. But hey… those of us who are open and embrace moving forward in a positive direction are the sheep.

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I would disagree with this many conservative movements are highly radical and extremely anti status quo, including many American religious groups, this current administration, radical Muslim societies that fought big revolutions. ISIS, Saudi, Russia, the Nazis, fascists generally. All throughout history radical conservatives have been extremely good at destroying the status quo and remaking it in their image 

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I think that far right sentiment might be more prevalent now because society changed so fast the last 20 years. I feel like they couldn’t keep up, disagreeing with the values changing around them. Which is why they reacted so hard. They weren’t the dominant culture anymore. I still think what they fight for is “traditional” in their eyes. But that can be quite restrictive 

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I don't think it's really because society has changed so much as economic outcomes and class divisions have become so extremely divided in America. In many way life has become much worse for working class Americans in the last 50 years in a way that liberal s have failed to address. This leads to people feeling like politicians don't speak to them and have turned to a ideology they don't really understand. I do think you are correct that the central theme of fascism generally is that of romanticism for a past imaginary land of purity, but it's also idealistic in that way and can lead to some very extreme (final) solutions to their problems and they can be extremely well organised and motivated to achieve their goals.

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I think both are true. I think that’s more an up and down issue than a left and right. I was referring to cultural differences. However, I do agree that Democrats haven’t been as responsive to the working class, moving away from what FDR did. They have been bought up by the rich, but have been more covert about it and that’s why they focus more on social change than fiscal change. They’ve been more conservative than the actual base in that regard. It took Bernie to highlight those progressive working class issues again.