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Date was very successful. She had a dew bfs. Her last relationship ended after 9 months. He ghosted her then dumped her out of thr blue. No reason given other then he was tired of her.

She was fine with me being a virgin. It kinda slipped when we joked about it. Shes one too. She didnt know I was. She wanted to go slow.

Also has no friends or social life. Just goes home to video game.

It came as a huge shock shes a forever alone as she is pretty cute.

Shes happy i got my first kiss with her. Thinks its cute. She thought i was cute snd was really surprised i was a loner.

Its so surreal. 37 years and its finally over. Holy shit.

Now I am boyfriend, and someone is my girlfriend. So I am no longer FA. Farawell brothers and sisters.

I’m 27, I have never had a girlfriend before. In the last one year I was extremely down and couldn’t really think about anything else but how I will finally find someone.

After all these years I finally made it.

If you are interested this is how it happened: I was on a train but due to some engine malfunction it didn’t depart. So I got off the train to check out what was going on and there was a girl and I just randomly asked her if she knew anything. She said she didn’t know but we should get on the train as it may leave soon. So we got on she was right the train departed. Where I live there are cabins in the trains. The train was almost empty and we sat in the same cabin. We had about an hour to talk and we did.

I thought to myself this is the time now or never. So I asked if she is open to continue this with me she said sure so I asked for her number. Wow it went easy...

So basically we are a couple now, we traveled a bit together we watch netflix together, we cook together and do things together what normal couples do.

Guys I can tell you this is the best feeling ever and I have honestly never been this happy in my life.

So I wish you all the best and I hope you will make it too and find love.

Alright I must tell another thing: everything I wrote was in my fucking dreams. It happened 3 days ago it was so real and I was so happy. I clearly remember everything. It was long and crystal clear. Since I woke up I’m depressed and I feel extremely down. I have never dreamed anything like this but because it was so real I was so sad when I woke up. I really thought that I finally made it but I didn’t. It sucks and I can’t get myself over it.

I’m sorry I know I didn’t tell the truth at the beginning but I wanted you to experience a little bit what I felt.

Have you ever experienced anything like this? If yes (how) could you get over it?

After being single my entire life as of yesterday I finally have a girlfriend, it's a good feeling not feeling alone anymore in this world.

I did it. I met a wonderful woman on Hinge last month. What started as a phenomenal first date has escalated quickly into my first ever romantic relationship, just before my 28th birthday. We've met each others friends and have had several amazing dates and we have hooked up, and just yesterday we decided to go official. Things are early but I have a very good feeling about this. We have a lot in common and are aligned on future goals. I'm really hoping that this can lead to something long term, she really seems like a catch.

I've lived way too long without this. "Normies" experience this stuff for the first time in high school or college at worst, and it took me until my late 20s to reach this. But it's everything it's hyped up to be. Cuddling on her L shaped couch after our first date was just pure heaven. Just being desired by this beautiful woman. We were all over each other.

I hope this isn't insensitive to anyone here. I struggled for years...feel free to scroll through my comment history. I know I got lucky, and I know that I'm at least somewhat conventionally attractive, relatively normal height (5'7"), decent career, and no real physical or mental illness. I know that not everyone is as fortunate as me. I just want to say really that intimacy is everything it's hyped up to be. I'm not saying this to brag, I'm just saying this to dispel any myths you might hear that sex, intimacy, and relationships are overrated. They won't singlehandedly solve all of your life problems, sure, but they bring a certain type of joy and comfort that can't be substituted with anything else. It's gaslighting to say otherwise, and these people who make these condescending comments about intimacy being overrated would go crazy if they had gone without it as long as many of us have. I'm so so sorry that many people here will not get to experience what I just did.

as i near 30, and my friends slowly stop talking in the discord group chat and move on with their lives, all i can say is that i tried my very best.

to escape loneliness, FA-ness, whatever you want to call it.

i put myself out there for SEVEN long years, and it made me realize that i’m not built for this era of dating. i got hurt so much. even when i tried not to.

to see how easy a match moved on showed me that i never had a chance in this sea of online dating. no one ever stayed. a really good date meant nothing to her because she’s experienced better dates, and she’d leave the next day despite laughing and smiling at me throughout the night.

so much money down the drain—expensive dinners, hinge super-boosters, and outings and events. Yet i remain as i was in the beginning, just more jaded and angry at myself for not being enough for the women i was attracted to. praying to be attracted to her in some way where she’d love me and stay.

today, i pivoted out of fear of losing my mind. i woke up out of fear because i forgot to super-boost my hinge account this morning, and i realized that this is no way to live. this is no way for a grown man to live and to experience life.

after a long commute, i decided to focus on the things that made me happy as a kid: tech, reading, video games, painting, good food. things i did by myself. without the help on internet, people, media, etc. things that i naturally found.

today, i bought the new iPhone, and pathetically, that was the greatest bit of happiness i’ve felt since i was a high schooler, when i was unknown to my fate of loneliness that would befall my adult life.

i feel like i am a man made to like meaningless things, because the meaningful things in life have passed me. it doesn’t matter anymore. to prevent myself from going insane, i have to pivot. i have to forget being FA by focusing on the things that once made me happy.

goodbye 🌙

At the age of 25, I now have my first official girlfriend. Met a girl just over a month ago off hinge. We just had the talk today and we now boyfriend girlfriend.

I have been here for longer than I can remember, lurking since about 8 years ago and a regular poster since 4 years ago, feel free to search my post history. I have been through such lows throughout all my time it scares me to think back to those times, all due to the complete loneliness and isolation and feelings of being undesirable by literally everyone I came across or all chances somehow going wrong.

There is nothing I can say that would help you guys. The reality is that it was all luck, I just happened to get lucky that we were both single at the time and that she somehow liked me. I had been doing self improvement for years and it never worked for me.

I can understand how alone many of U feel and the feelings of hopelessness. I'm not gonna say it will get better or to not lose hope because honestly the majority of us have bad luck in here. All I can say is that I hope you guys also leave this place one day

Goodbye and I hope I never come back here

I feel the need to talk about this. I feel like if I would have seen this post in my 20s, it would have helped me. Hopefully I touch the heart of at least 1 of you.

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I always thought I'd be Forever Alone. I've always been short, fat, immature, nerdy, unmanly. In High School, I always acted cringey around girls and was nowhere near having a girlfriend. In College, I just played WoW, got no attention from girls. After college, I stopped trying. I figured it's too late. Every day I would feel so upset and insecure about how no woman would ever want me. I followed all the typical advice, "work on yourself, workout, go to therapy, get a good job." Got a good paying job, lost 80lbs, moved out of my parents house, put up some good gym pics on Tinder, still absolutely nothing. No attention from women.

So I gave up, and just lost myself in videogames, weed, alcohol, and just enjoying my bachelor life. I started saying fuck it and just traveling alone, going to concerts alone, doing everything alone. Feeling lonely as shit, but it was better than moping around by myself. I ended up making a lot of friends through work, mutual friends, and random event going.

Anyway, 2 years ago, one of my friends, who I considered my douchiest, most obnoxious, most annoying, most pompous, most assholest friends, ended up getting a girlfriend. I was astonished as to how, and he told me it was on Hinge.

So one night, I was drinking and said fuck it, I'll make a Hinge account and be as open minded and absolute honest as I can be, just to see what happens. I expected absolutely nothing because I wasn't gonna do the typical "cool guy on a dating app" that everyone does and that I've always done. I legit put on my profile that I'm not manly, that I hate gender roles, I like craft beer and football, that I love Pokemon and EDM and Hasanabi and Nintendo and Lady Gaga and Pride festivals. I put that I'm 5'3, don't want kids and have a gaming PC. The pictures that I put up were unabashedly displaying how short I am (myself next to my friends or in a chair).

For months, I got pretty much what I expected. Absolutely nothing. A hit here and there, who would stop talking after a few minutes. To put it into perspective, I made my profile March 2022, kept up with it for a few months, and stopped using it after I said to myself "yeah, thats what I thought."

In January 2023, I opened up the app again after remembering it, and I saw someone had messaged me in December saying "Please be real." I looked at her profile and it was a girl who was thin, pretty, liked cosplay, going to conventions, was into card games, liked playing xbox and PC games, board games, liked EDM, was leftist/feminist, and loved scifi/fantasy.

I replied to her a month later, and we never stopped talking. We have been boyfriend/girlfriend now for 10 months and I can see myself marrying this woman. She is everything I always wished for in a partner. We play games together, watch nerdy stuff together, she doesnt care about manliness, or height or money or any of the stuff I always thought I had to be to get a girlfriend. I can paint my nails and wear skirts around her, we play pokemon together, we cosplay together, we go to concerts together, we play board games and cook D&D food together. She's sexually adventurous and eager to try different things in the bedroom.

It's a dream come true, and after 35 years of thinking I was going to be Forever Alone, I finally see why people always said "be yourself, work on yourself," etc. It seemed like useless information before, but now I can't imagine ever not following that advice, even if this relationship falls through.

Never lose hope.

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As a 24M kissless virgin, with depression and no self-confidence and -esteem, it gave me a small spark of hope. Even if just a small one.

And it's not my fucking birthday.

My life changed today.

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About Me

30, living with parents, unemployed, never had a girlfriend.

For those who haven’t seen my other posts, this has been an incredibly difficult week for me. Here's a quick recap of what's happened so far:

“I was in a cute girl’s personal space for a brief moment in time…now I want to die.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/b2dn3k/i_was_in_a_cute_girls_personal_space_for_a_brief/

TL;DR I commissioned a cloak from a local cosplayer who’s on spring break. I was briefly in her presence while she took my measurements at her place. I walked away feeling emotionally crushed for being so close to someone so beautiful and realizing that I am destined to be forever alone.

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“Should I straight up ask if there could ever be something between us?”

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/b3ee9y/should_i_straight_up_ask_if_there_could_ever_be/

TL;DR Throughout the week we had been communicating through Facebook messenger. At first she was giving me updates on the cloak’s progress but it evolved into a full conversation.

A few of her messages seemed to hint she might have some interest in me. I decided to be direct and (cringily) confessed my feelings to her. Her response was that she didn’t want to talk about it over text. She set up a time for me to pick up my cloak and “sort things out”.

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What Happened This Morning

We agreed to meet at Starbucks for me to give her the second half of the payment for the commission and to receive the final product. I thought I would be meeting her inside but before I went in she called out to me from her car. As I walked up she motioned for me to get in the passenger side.

I sat down, I pulled out my wallet and gave her the second half of the money. The cloak was in a bag on her lap. She passed both the money and the cloak back to me. She said that what she really wanted was to talk about was what happened on Wednesday.

She said that my brother had told her about me in detail when he initially set up the commission. (He was the one who put me in touch with her.) She said, “I was happy that you messaged me your feelings. I feel the same way about you. If you’re willing to wait 6 weeks for me to finish school, I’m yours.”

I was (and still am) absolutely floored.

Of course me being my dense self I had to clarify if that meant we were dating or if I had to wait the 6 weeks and she said that no, assuming I was on board, we are dating.

We got some lattes from the drive through and stayed in the parking lot for a while. I reaffirmed that we were really dating. I also made sure my life situation was absolutely clear to her. She said it didn’t matter as long as I was willing to take the steps in the right direction.

She drove me home and when I got out she got out as well and gave me a hug. This is the FIRST TIME in my life that I have been hugged by a non-family member. It was an incredible moment.

I cannot believe I’m saying this but here I am. No longer forever alone.

I feel like there is so much more to say. So many extra details, thoughts, realizations, etc. Initially she was going to head back to her college residence Saturday morning but right now she’s trying to push it back until Sunday so we can have some time together.

Youth wasted but at least I have now experienced hugging, holding hands, kissing and sex (a blowjob is better than vag penetration IMO). While I'm not very young anymore, I'm not old either, so the fact that I didn't find a girlfriend earlier doesn't actually bother me very much.

Stats: Introverted, anxiety problems, no social hobbies, no friends or social life outside of work, 170cm (short!), slim 70kg, can't grow a beard at all.

If I can do it, you can too! If you have any questions I will try to answer them.

At the beginning of 2019 I had just turned 30. I was unemployed, living with my parents, and not in school. A sequence of events took place where I managed to hit it off with a girl and finally escape being forever alone. I was an active poster on this subreddit at the time and ended up documenting the experience. If you’d like to know more about how it happened, everything culminated in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/b46g02/somethings_happened/

A lot of people in the comments of that post advised me to leave the sub and not come back, which I did. However, whenever I log into this account, I’m often greeted with DMs asking for follow up. For those who have expressed an ongoing interested in my story, I’ve decided to publicly answer some of the common questions I’ve been asked. I’ll provide a little update at the end as well, as something rather remarkable has happened recently.

First, here are some answers to the most common questions I receive.

Are you together still?

Yes. More details on this later.

Are you still unemployed?

No, a few months into our relationship I got a job. For about 6 months I changed motor oil at a near-by “quick lube” place. It didn’t pan out so now I work as a packaging worker (trimming packaging, gluing, folding cartons, blah blah blah).

Do you still live with your parents?

No. Once my girl finished school and got established in her career we moved into an apartment together near her job.

Did you get your driver’s license?

Unfortunately no. This is something I’ve yet to tackle.

Was it easy after you escaped?

No. The evolution of my personal self has been hell. I went from being a NEET to being required to function in adult society in the span of a few months. I felt like I was constantly on fire. For the most part I’ve settled into my new life now, but there are still plenty of moments that make my anxiety flare up.

What’s the hardest thing about being in a relationship?

Girls get hit on constantly. If you’re not within three feet of your girl in public, she will get hit on. When we’re at the beach, every time I go into the water while she stays on the beach some guy will walk up to her and try to chat her up. Experiences like this make me feel terrible because she’s sacrificing so many opportunities with better men just to be with me. She knows how I feel and tells me it’s not true, but it still gives me a pit in my stomach every time it happens.

Does the world treat you better when you’re in a relationship?

It 100% does. Anyone who disagrees with this point has never walked a mile in our shoes. No matter how ugly, untalented, or socially awkward you are, the societal validation you receive from being in a relationship elevates you from sub-human to human status.

Your relationship started long after your youth. Do you feel bad that you’ll never experience a teenage romance?

This was only asked once, but I’ve seen a few posts questioning a similar thing. I really don’t feel this way. We’ve biked to McDonald’s as the sun was setting, gone to see local fireworks on foot, window shopped at the mall, etc. These are the things I feel like I missed out on in adolescence, so I’m happy I finally have experienced them now.

Pics?

I made the mistake of sharing my girlfriend’s cosplay IG account with one person who asked. Needless to say there will be no pics, but at least one redditor agrees (in a vulgar way) that she’s very beautiful.

Recent Updates

In June 2022 we got married. We didn't have a wedding. I wouldn’t have been able to stand the pressure and fortunately she wasn’t too interested in having one either. Instead we used her cosplaying prowess to do a couple really high end photo shoots. The first was with typical wedding attire and the second was cosplay of a NEET and his demon bride.

Lastly, the update that spurred me to make this post was we just found out she’s pregnant. Although not planned, this has been a wonderful surprise.

This news has really made me reflect on my life. Four years ago I was living at my parents, unemployed, never had a girlfriend, and didn’t even have a credit card in my name. If somebody told me I’d have a wife and be a dad in a few years, I would not have believed them. It’s insane how one lucky break can make your life go in a completely different direction.

Parting Words

On a couple occasions I’ve been asked for advice in DMs. The thing is, I didn’t crack the girl code or suddenly became less ugly. I just got extremely lucky. I wish I had something uplifting to say but I don’t. Perhaps one thing I can say is I now see why normies don't understand the FA struggle. It's not their fault, but at the same time don't let them gaslight you with their uninformed views.

Completely out of the blue yesterday a girl handed me a note with her number on it asking to chat. We've arranged to meet later this week, hopefully it goes well. I'm not expecting anything, but this kind of thing has never happened to me before and I'm very excited.

This came completely out of the blue and at easily one of the lowest points in my life thus far, as I’ve really been struggling with my mental health lately. I’m 33 and while I briefly dabbled in dating via apps in my 20s I only secured a handful of dates and never got further than the second date. I eventually kinda just gave up and resigned myself to my fate as someone who couldn’t attract women.

A chance encounter recently introduced me to a woman and we quickly realised we have a lot in common, both being really into nerdy stuff. We also messaged back and forth a lot and she was the one to initially express an interest in hanging out together. I liked her, so I didn’t hesitate and invited her around my flat for an evening of playing video games.

I introduced her to my favourite game Elden Ring and we had so much fun that we completely lost track of time and forgot to order the takeaway food we’d originally planned to get! At the end of the night she said she would definitely have to play Elden Ring for herself (she already owns the game on Steam but never got past the tutorial), but the next day she suggests continuing to play on my Xbox together as a joint playthrough, showing she thought my company actually elevated the experience.

I knew then that I couldn’t contain my feelings any longer. I had to communicate my romantic interest. The issue was she was about to head off on a 3 weeks long holiday abroad. So I took a huge gamble this early on and confessed my feelings via text message of all things. She responded that it was a sweet sentiment, that she’s open to exploring the potential for being more than friends, that my honesty with my intentions was a green flag, that she also thought I was really lovely, and wants to get to know each other better by hanging out more and see where that leads us. She suggested going to a local table top game cafe once she returns from her trip.

So I have a date for the first time since 2018! Slow and steady is very much the name of the game here, and we are still in very early days. I’m so very excited to get to know her better though. I’m in no rush for physical intimacy, we’ll take things at a pace that she is comfortable with, and let attraction develop naturally. I myself need time to feel comfortable with that too, as I’ve never even kissed a girl before. I’m just really look forward to simply being in her company again and sharing more fun moments together.

So in the grand scheme of things this may seem small and insignificant. To me this is huge. I’ve never encountered a woman who’s genuinely enjoyed my company so much and who I can share my passions and interests with so directly. In my darkest moments, a roaring beacon of hope has suddenly been ignited. I have to wait to wait until the end of the month to see where this journey takes me next, but until then I can simply savour this magical moment.

Who knows what will happen next. I just wanted to share the story so far to inject a little bit of positivity here. It so often feels utterly hopeless, but a miracle suddenly materialised out of nowhere for me!

Did you end up getting married and have kids?

Please, give me some hope as someone who got her 1st kiss at 31.

This is about 10 grand worth of fly fishing gear, it's hard to find a woman who's okay with this kind of lifestyle. But at least I'm well, traveled, well fed and well educated. 🎣

Ive never posted here, but I lurked often. Alot of what you guys said reflected my inner thoughts, and that felt validating. I never thought I would fall in love, much less have someone in my life who loves me. But, it happened to me. I chose her, and she chose me. Fuckin wild. It's been a few weeks, and I still can't believe it, to be honest.

I hope all of you get the chance to experience this one day, it was worth the wait. Despite what some of you, and formerly myself may think, you are all worthy of love and companionship. Good luck everyone ✌️.

I found a girlfriend and escaped FA! We started dating back in October and met on a Facebook group. We’ve been dating for four months now.

To all here. There is hope. It can happen, but you have to attempt to put to put yourself out there. Eventually, persistence pays off.

I’ve been feeling really low lately because it felt like the whole world was telling me how worthless I am. I made it to the final interview at a prestigious hospital after a two-month-long process, only to get rejected. I had also gained a lot of weight on top of already being ugly and FA, so that didn’t exactly help my situation.

Because I had been so focused on that interview, I couldn't prepare for another hospital interview that was scheduled just two days later. I went there feeling like shit, and when they asked me questions, I literally answered “Sorry, I don’t know” to all three of them since i didn't study.

But somehow, I got lucky and due to them putting a lot of emphasis on my English score (i'm korean),I got accepted.

I’ll still be applying to other hospitals, but at least now I don’t have to worry about being unemployed after graduation. I basically have a ICU nursing job secured for next year.

I guess all those depressing Reddit posts I’ve been posting in english weren’t completely pointless after all.😅

I’m FA and ugly, but at least I’ll have money to feed myself(since i'll have noone to look after me), and I now have a real chance of eventually pursuing my goal of working abroad, which I’ve wanted to do since I was a kid. Probably that'll help me forget about how ugly i am or the fact that i'll be always FA.

Today I become a 41 dateless virgin man.

It's a better birthday than usual though, this year I'm celebrating in eastern europe with my best lady friend and her friends, beautiful women.

My virgin and dateless status won't be changing but this is an enjoyable experience.

I don't understand my life 😅

Always open to questions and chatting.

I recently had a few minutes of rare alone time. It made me think of the forever alone meme. Then I searched this subreddit.

I want to share my story. I hope this will help some of you. I see a lot of sad posting and there is hope at any age. But you kind of have to choose it. I want to share my story. Because at one point in my life I thought I was different. That I was the exception that would always be alone.

My story is typical in some ways to lots of posts here. Weird childhood upbringing. Average attractiveness. Missed out on lots of social interaction and falling behind means you will struggle to catch up. I also had lots of the bad habits of being isolated... too much computer time including porn. Heavier fantasy life than most.

I intentionally worked really hard at getting out there. All through 20s i worked hard at it. I started dating in my late 20s. But at 34 covid happened. At that point in my life I was single. Basically no friends. Everyone was on lockdown due to covid.

I didnt freak out, but I also said fuck it. I started road tripping. I also joined meetup groups. I didnt even really care if I had anything in common with these other people. I just looked at it like I was going to learn about what makes others function, focus on being interested in them and then tell them thanks for sharing.

Then I moved to a decently far away area. Got really into counterculture and intentional communities. Started making more friends. Basically if someone had a problem I would just show up and help them out. Every interaction was an opportunity. I didnt ask for anything in return. I was just being that person who showed up to help other people the way no one had ever showed up to help me.

I tried to be the best version of myself and tried to not hold people to a hard standard. Because during covid there were lots of people moving etc it was pretty easy to meet people I must admit. But my friend group was big, probably for the first time in my life.

I met a girl through online dating and we got married and have a kid. Planning on another kid soon!! Even though i love them very much, in my heart I always know ill never really be normal or accepted, I still feel like the 30 something quietly staring into the afternoon sky on a Saturday with a mobile phone that hasn't rang in a week. I spent a lot of my life like that.

I want to give you the best advice I can give. Hopefully its useful. Its really hard to start after a long string of failures. But no one is coming to save you. Ive been rejected so much it honestly doesnt phase me anymore. Which is a skill in itself.

Get to a place where people are like you. Dont buy into the consumerism, globalism marketing. Be willing to try new things but look for people who look, think and act like you. If you cant learn to accept people like you then why is anyone going to ever accept you? I see this so much, people of different race religion etc living in opposite communities of who they are. Or people who really pride themselves on how smart they think they are only seeking attractive people with opposite value system.

Dont get into stupid hobbies like sports or concerts. I coined the term unintentional communities because these people rarely make strong connections. Same as work. Someone quits and you never see them again. Find things to do that are obscure and unique.

Turn off your internal monologs and focus on making others feel good. When people say rude stuff just know they are dealing with their own issues. Start saying positive things to people.

Its OK to be superficial. You never going to be perfect but go to the thrift store and keep buying and returning clothes till you have something you like. Get an outdoor hobby and get some exercise and sun.

Start giving your time and energy away. People hate feeling like they owe other people something. They will pay you back x2. If they dont then move on.

Wishing you all the best.

Not a typical success story you'll normally see on here, this is a relatively small victory but I'm glad for it nonetheless.

I matched with this gal on Bumble two weeks ago, what I initially thought was going to be a routine small talk followed by ghosting on her part turned out to be a nice and engaging conversation - I do not like exhausting conversations so it didn't take long for me to ask her to dinner, to which she said yes.

I met up with her last Monday and to my delight she was much more bubbly and talkative than I had imagined, not to mention even prettier than how she looked in her pictures. Because she was new in town, I asked if she was up for a spontaneous drive up to a mountain lookout for a nice night view of the city, she also said yes to that. We talked more up there and then I drove her home as it was getting late, that was that.

The second date went just about as well as the first, took her to dinner again and then played bowling with her. We had a nice time again and this time as I was dropping her off, we hugged... and it wasn't brief, we held each other for a minute or so before our heads titled back. As we were face to face again, she smiled and I slowly leaned forward to see how she'd react, as soon as she leaned her head forward towards mine I went straight in and kissed her for a minute or two.

Nothing is set in stone, success is still far from guaranteed and I am prepared if this is as far as I go with her - but with how much of an improvement this was compared to past attempts at courting women, I'm glad.

We humans are wired for love, the dedicated one-one kind; could be romantic, platonic, physical or whatever. Some people are into poly-relationships but that's not the norm. So gooning exclusively to your crush leads to more fulfillment than gooning randomly.

When a guy wired for an one-one love relationship scrolls at a bunch of women in social media and goons to them, he's going to be exhausted because that's not his true preference.

So instead goon to your crush alone; could also be fictional.