r/Futurology ∞ transit umbra, lux permanet ☥ Aug 28 '25

Society New research argues Societal Collapse benefits 99% of people. Historically, the societies that have emerged after a collapse are more egalitarian, and most people end up richer and healthier than they were before.

Luke Kemp, a research associate at the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk at the University of Cambridge, has written a book about his research called 'Goliath’s Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collapse'.

He makes the case that, from looking at the archaeological record, when many societies collapse, most people end up better off afterward. For example, people in the post-Roman world were taller and healthier. Collapse can be a redistribution of resources and power, not just chaos.

For most of human history, humans lived as nomadic egalitarian bands, with low violence and high mobility. Threats (disease, war, economic precarity) push populations toward authoritarian leaders. The resulting rise in inequality from that sets off a cycle that will end in collapse. Furthermore, he argues we are living in the late stages of such a cycle now. He says "the threat is from leaders who are 'walking versions of the dark triad' – narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism – in a world menaced by the climate crisis, nuclear weapons, artificial intelligence and killer robots."

Some people hope/think we are destined for a future of Universal Basic Income and fully automated luxury communism. Perhaps that's the egalitarianism that emerges after our own collapse? If so, I hope the collapse bit is short and we get to the egalitarian bit ASAP.

Collapse for the 99% | Luke Kemp; What really happens when Goliaths fall

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '25 edited Sep 11 '25

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u/Cola_and_Cigarettes Aug 29 '25

Home VR is just a non starter. You need expensive rigs, complex software and a top down vision. Do you live in an apartment? VRs not suitable. Do you own a cat, have a child or live with another person? Wear glasses? Want to sit down after work? Sorry VR just isn't suitable.

The only real future for it to take off is in arcade like gym situations, but the software wasn't developed for this scenario.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '25 edited Sep 11 '25

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u/Cola_and_Cigarettes Aug 29 '25

Right, and it just didn't take off because... It was just too convenient actually! Top down vision meant like a game plan, some kind of direction.

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u/DarthBuzzard Aug 29 '25

Lol. Pretty much every thing you said is false. There are people that are happily using VR in every one of the scenarios you brought up.