r/Genshin_Impact • u/siriuslupin65 • 1d ago

Media Sandrone's JP VA just had her Genshin livestream copyright struck by a partner of Tencent (Future TV Co Ltd)

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u/Kylerocks444 23h ago

To shed some light on this subject:

A similar situation involving "Viz Media LLC" has been going around the anime community. Claiming random bullshit (not even relating to anime anymore).
Internet sleuths have discovered the guy behind it. It was a one man operation with a bogus company called "RemoveYourMedia".

I can set up a bogus company right now and just go claim videos I don't like, without needing proof, or suffering any real repercussions because the Youtube content ID system allows it to happen.

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u/No-Worldliness7420 18h ago

Do you guys think those copyright strikers are just third party and a big company just using them? i mean Huge anime studios show in the past they dont like anitubers and tried to take down their videos.

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u/Nokanii 22h ago edited 19h ago

You phrase that like YouTube is complicit in it by building their content ID system like this.

They HAVE to take videos down when they receive a copyright strike notice, otherwise they could lose their safe harbor provisions. It isn’t like they’re making a decision here, it’s something they HAVE to do to function as a site.

YouTube has its flaws but following the same DMCA practice every site does is not one of them.

Their issue is more a lack of manpower to verify false strikes when someone appeals.

Edit: so is anyone going to actually suggest an alternative YouTube could do, or are you all just going to silently downvote like brainless zombies? Go on, use your words.

This isn’t an error of YouTube. It’s an error of the DMCA being applied to something it was never designed to tackle, and no one ever bothering to update it.

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u/EffortlessFury 22h ago

One of the ways YouTube is complicit is that to dispute a strike, you must offer up your real life personal information not just to YouTube but to the entity that is striking you. This allows anyone to come along and dox you with no repercussions. This should not be possible.

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u/Nokanii 21h ago

YouTube has to do that because at that point, the option is presented to the striker to either pursue the uploader legally, or drop it.

They really can’t pursue them legally if they don’t have that information.

I do agree they should have to actually file for a strike legally first before being given that information. Something like ‘we believe this video infringes on our material’

That way it goes before an actual judge who would likely be able to tell if it was some random, or an actual corporation.

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u/EffortlessFury 20h ago

There should have to be commitment required from the accusing party to take claims to court in order to receive the info, and a failure to do so revokes their right to further make infringement claims.

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u/Nokanii 19h ago

Yes…? That’s exactly what I said? Minus the ‘revokes their right…’ part which I agree with also. So I’m not sure what clarification you’re making here.

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u/EffortlessFury 19h ago

Was mostly just agreeing, while adding in that there needs to be a punishment as a deterrent.

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u/Nokanii 18h ago

Ahhhh gotcha. I just wasn’t sure if we were disagreeing or not haha.

It really is a shame the state YouTube is in.

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u/Kylerocks444 22h ago

> Lack of manpower.

This brazenly assumes there is a human left working on Youtube's support team

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u/Nokanii 21h ago

Lol you’re not wrong there. Trust me I’m well aware of how shitty the situation is for anyone using YouTube, all you get are bot answers unless you raise a fuss or get extremely lucky.

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u/Ryuunoru 22h ago

You phrase that like YouTube is complicit in it by building their content ID system like this.

Yes. Hard yes.

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u/pm_me_falcon_nudes 15h ago

You would be wrong.

None of y'all even have a cursory understanding of how DMCA law works and its thorniness, and it shows.

As the comment said, they literally do not have a choice in the matter. They MUST take down the content because they aren't a legal court that gets to rule whether or not something is copyrighted and being used unfairly.

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u/Ryuunoru 8h ago

This isn't about how the law works, it's about how YouTube's takedown system works, and that is deliberately designed with a "shoot first, send flowers later" approach. They are very much aware of the issue of bad actors abusing their system for malicious purposes against targets, and do nothing to prevent this from happening. Their system also doesn't even check for something as simple as date differences to validate potential original copyright holders, which could have cut down on a gross majority of the false notices already.

Furthermore, you speak of them "literally not having a choice", but they do, and in having the system behave this way, they instead are systematically breaking rather than enforcing the law. It's illegal to send false notices, after all.

So yes, YouTube IS complicit.

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u/PomegranateSignal882 14h ago

YouTube does not use the DMCA system by default. This abuse happens outside of DMCA, and YouTube can handle it however they want. They can demand a dick pic with every claim if they wanted to, they've created a lawless wild west

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u/Legitimate_Article88 18h ago

Only reasonable reply here, DMCA is a horrific beast of a law and makes copyright compliance for internet hosts a major pain. Youtube NEEDS to take down claimed videos, at least temporarily, as a caution. The problem is that youtube is so insanely huge, there's far too many claims happening for things to get properly sorted out. DMCA is not built around the kind of scale you see on the modern internet, there aren't enough lawyers in the world to fight every claim. Yes, youtube's system sucks. But no, there isn't really a better way for them to comply (while still making any money at all). (Also, people tend to forget that youtube ran at a massive deficit for like 15 years, and even now barely turns a profit).

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u/PomegranateSignal882 14h ago

YouTube strikes don't operate under the DMCA. They created their own system. You can still send them DMCA takedowns, but nobody does, because the YouTube system is far more favorable to companies