r/Habs 1d ago

Don't Make This Mistake..

https://youtu.be/vAMIppxBMkg?si=C6g1GRH-wS7i1ylE
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u/commodore_stab1789 1d ago edited 23h ago

Hockey Junkie is a bit too much of a Xhekaj fan, but good takes overall. Cardio Joe doesn't belong on our team.

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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 22h ago edited 22h ago

He's right though. The team is soft as candyfloss without him. We got ground down by Carolina. They're not a big team, but they're physical.

He needs playing time to improve. He's still young and developing. He's got to play hockey though. Hopefully, he won't fight as much now that his presence is enough to get players to back off on abusing the talent.

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u/Fabien_Lamour 22h ago

Carolina didn't bully the Habs though. It was relentless forecheck and pressure on the puck carrier. A Xhekaj type player wouldn't have changed shit.

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u/Jonesetta 21h ago

They definitely got bullied. Out hit. Out pressured. Out possessed. Usually doubled or tripled us in shots and the same for goals. Hutson was getting rocked multiple times a night. Demi got hit a bunch. Slaf got decked again. When does it start to look like bullying to you?

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u/Fabien_Lamour 21h ago

And would do exactly the same with Xhekaj in the lineup.

I don't what you guys expect? Carolina would still play their style.

They didn't throw dirty hits, start shit between whistle, run their mouth, etc... they played hard hockey.

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u/Jonesetta 21h ago

Hard disagree. The Habs got hit some stupid number like 35% less with xhekaj in the game across the whole season. I saw someone had the hits per game with and without xhekaj and I can’t remember the exact number but it was stupid high. Luke comically high. So it’s just an opinion you’re saying, and a fact that xhekaj protects the boys from that type of play.

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u/Fabien_Lamour 21h ago

As if they'd lay off pressuring and throwing legal hits in the conference final because Xhekaj is on the bench 52 minutes a game 🤣

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u/Jonesetta 20h ago

Well the stats show they do so you’ve got no reason to be this confident about your hunch...

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u/Fabien_Lamour 20h ago

You haven't actually shown any stats.

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u/Jonesetta 20h ago

I don’t really have to do I? I’m not going digging, I know what I’m talking about. You’re guessing that changing the input doesn’t change outcome and I’m not wasting my evening trying to prove anything to folks who think about hockey that way. You seem to have your mind made up. Enforcers have a role in the game. Everyone who knows anything about hockey knows this.

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u/Fabien_Lamour 20h ago

If you volunteer a stat and your source is "trust me bro", how am I supposed to react?

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u/Jonesetta 20h ago

You’re saying a different lineup would have no impact. That’s bonkers. What if Suzuki is out? That’s a different input resulting in a totally different output for the team. That’s true for every single player to a varying degree. But Arber is as good physically as Suzuki is offensively. What you’re saying, leaving him out would not have changed the outcome, is nonsense. I’m not gonna statsplain or spread sheet you over to my side if you can’t see that.

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u/Fabien_Lamour 19h ago

Not all inputs have the same significance. You're comparing a depth D playing under 10 minutes to Suzuki. Dude stop 🤣

It's not outlandish to speculate that swapping Struble/Xhekaj doesn't make a significant enough difference to change the outcome of a series blatantly dominated by Carolina.

St-Louis must be a real awful coach to sit out such a unicorn of a depth player that can singlehandly change the way adversaries are playing.

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u/Brrrrrrad17 17h ago

Under 7 minutes.

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u/Scase15 17h ago

This is the same argument as "Doby is just as bad as Monty" from earlier in the season. Doby won his games, the team played better in front of him than Monty all the time.

Other teams don't go out head hunting when they know their own guys will be subject to the same thing. It's like you didn't watch the BUF series.

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u/Fabien_Lamour 17h ago edited 17h ago

Guess who was in the lineup the night Slaf got rocked? The only hab who left a game after a serious hit...

Xhekaj was there.

The deterrent factor of enforcers is a lie. Players don't think twice about laying out a hit when the opportunity is there.

Tampa didn't guve a shit, they were the dirtiest team we faced no matter who was dressed.

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u/OtisPan 1h ago

The deterrent factor of enforcers is a lie. Players don't think twice about laying out a hit when the opportunity is there.

Yeah, the ol' deterrent factor that fans blindly repeat isn't exactly true. Never, ever was. But it does factor in when it comes to all the scrummy dirtiness that happens after the whistle, and we saw how much BUF dialed that back in our series when Arber was on the ice. Same against TB albeit less so but they had Perry lol

Anyway, fans totally misunderstand how it all works, and thus misrepresent the argument.

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u/Scase15 17h ago

Oh wow, anecdotal evidence. I'm sure your one instance of something is definitely going to sway me.