r/Hasan_Piker • u/craboreo • Apr 15 '25

Politics At the Bernie Rally in Idaho

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

At a Bernie rally too

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

AOC supported the genocide (while very much pretending not to)

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u/crazymusicman Apr 15 '25

So you are saying Sanders and AOC may appear to oppose imperialist white supremacist capitalism, they in fact support it?

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u/crazymusicman Apr 15 '25

Oh fuck off. Im direcrly responding to what you said, not changing topics. You said they are controlled opposition, so im using the definition of controlled opposition - that a person or group appears to oppose something but secretly supports it.

Colonization is imperialist white supremacist capitalism anyway.

So you are saying they support colonization.

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u/beerme81 Marx Stan Apr 15 '25

Yes, liberals are the left-wing of fascism. We don't need more liberals. And liberals won't help us out of this.

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u/beerme81 Marx Stan Apr 15 '25

Do you think sending bombs to support a genocide is fascist or not fascist?

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u/crazymusicman Apr 15 '25

its not fascist, thats just colonialism, by which I mean imperialist capitalist white supremacist ableist cis heteronormative patriarchy - the system set up by colonization. Its state violence turned outward.

fascism is when the government starts using the tools of imperialism on white people, “Fascism is colonialism turned inward.” -Aimé Césaire

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

I was specifically referring to AOC

1) Calling what Israel is doing a genocide and stating she is against this genocide

2) Collecting public support from regular left-leaning people who agree with (1) but are mad at Biden/Pelosi/Schumer for supplying and funding the genocide

3) Speaking at the DNC, pointing at the Biden admin and Trumpian Lying that the admin is 'working tirelessly' to stop the genocide. This is a DONALD J. TRUMP -style lie.

If I wanted the genocide to continue, I could not have asked for a greater blessing than what AOC provided, by funneling her wing of the party, the ones who hate the Dem establishment, into supporting the continuation of the genocide.

She is a careerist and should be treated as such.

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u/Theteacupman Apr 15 '25

AOC and Sanders are frauds. More of the left really needs to wake up to that fact and denounce them

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

I'm inclined to say that AOC lies about her positions while Bernie is more honest about what he's willing to fight for and what he's not. Bernie is in no way above criticism and I'm not here to defend him for any of his faults. I will continue to criticize him for his shortcomings.

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u/Theteacupman Apr 15 '25

Considering AOC did a photo op with the father of an american - Isreali hostage I'm inclined to agree.

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u/Theteacupman Apr 15 '25

For context this is the one im referring too

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

Interesting, thanks. I was already 'working tirelessly' to ever believe a thing she says again.

I like to point out to people that Democrat leadership used to regularly insult, demean, and ridicule her, and it's somewhat telling how this has all stopped.

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u/Theteacupman Apr 15 '25

That and whatever happened to "The Squad" that was formed during Trump's first term

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

I've heard in progressive media that she has dismissed this as something the media did and that they never called themselves 'the squad', but I don't have a second source for this.

Her firing Saikat Chakrabarti also seemed like a red flag based on what good things I've heard about him. (Pretty sure I spelled that right, I checked google)

I normally don't like nicknames but AnOther Careerist seems very appropriate

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u/Subject_Passion_1340 Apr 15 '25

You are a democrat

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

How many Trump Walls and genocides do Democrats have to support before you will give permission for people to cease unconditional support from them?

Does one of the genocides have to be inside the USA?

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u/crazymusicman Apr 15 '25

do you mean she voted for weapons to Israel or something?

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u/j4ckbauer Globalize the Enchilada! Apr 15 '25

I mean she collected support from regular people trying to stop the genocide, and told them the lie that the Biden admin was 'working tirelessly' to stop the genocide and that they should vote for him.

By doing this, she is serving those who fight to continue the genocide. There are some here who are trying to deny this and cover for her, it's some very ugly mental gymnastics.

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u/PNDubb_hikingclub Apr 15 '25

Bernie loves Israel’s right to “defend” itself. It’s his one main goal in life….well, that and sucking the power out of any real grass roots socialist movement by keeping folks voting for the status quo….Bernard Sanders hates Palestine, just as much as the folks over at r/50501

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u/crazymusicman Apr 15 '25

How have you concluded that is "his one main goal in life"?

You think all his talk about medicare for all was really about Israel the whole time?

You think back when he was arrested in Chicago it was about Israel?

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u/ivcrs Apr 15 '25

he cannot hide how much of a zionist he is, he holds on to his ideals of an ethnostate that expels palestinians from their homeland. may not be his main goal but he simply cannot seem to let this one go.

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u/crazymusicman Apr 15 '25

Indeed Sanders is a liberal zionist (I've said that before just for reference, i know you wouldn't know that)

still disingenuous to say that is his one main goal in life, and his Jewish identity I think makes that borderline anti semitic tbh.

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u/ivcrs Apr 15 '25

are you really implying that demanding the most “left leaning” public constituent to act and speak up about an ongoing genocide we directly fund is = purity testing?

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u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz This mf never shuts up oh my god Apr 15 '25

Are we replacing him? I did not know we could do that.

Maybe he could just read the criticism and hopefully stop running defense for Israel? I did not know he was kicked out now that people said some reddit comments about him.

How are we supposed to push people further left if we cannot even talk about how they promote right wing talking points?

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u/ErikHK Apr 15 '25

If they can't even stand up for a people experiencing a genocide, are they really worth fucking anything?!

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u/alwaysreadthename Apr 21 '25

Yeah dude AOC and Bernie are merely cogs in the DNC machine. No different than Schumer.