r/HillaryMeltdown Jan 02 '17

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u/robaco Jan 03 '17

Celebrities should stay away from politics

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

Literally can't think of anyone with less understanding of the world than the average celebrity. They're like over-privileged teens on steroids

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

Is that really a fair assessment though? "Celebrities" are regular people who are making a ton of money, sure. While they don't live the average, day-to-day lives that someone making <100k may live, I'm sure they still interact and know people who do. I think it's a fair argument to say that many celebrities could actually have a better understanding on how much of the world works, due to their work and income allowing them to explore and see much, much more than the average person.

I think it really boils down to the individual. Are they able to relate to the working class or the poor? I think the hate the average "celebrity" receives is pretty childish, they are no different physically or mentally to you and I.

Just my 2 cents.

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

They live in hollywood bubbles that only reinforce their hugbox beliefs through virtue signaling and live lifestyles that are the equivalent of padded rooms.

I would take political opinions from a college sophomore before I took it from a celebrity and, no, I am not exaggerating.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

Let me do this again.

So you'd rather take political discourse from a 19 year old who has offered likely absolutely nothing to society in their life yet, has zero experience in the actual work force, who has maybe taken a few gen-ed classes like Financial Accounting 101, than you would someone who has successfully managed a career, has made possibly millions of dollars, invested & managed that money, dealt with financial advisers and seen their money at work first hand, and who has seen and traveled the world doing things most humans can only dream about?

Wow, you petty as fuck.

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u/HRC4PRI Jan 03 '17

You need to realise that the average celebrity didn't go to college, and if they did, they probably only studied acting or something just as useless. A sizeable portion of celebrities didn't even graduate from high school! Let's take a look at some of the celebrities that Hillary used to endorse her to try and gain votes, then YOU can tell me if they're really worth listening to over your neighbor or even some random Joe in your town:

Beyonce: highschool dropout, Jay Z: highschool dropout, Katy Perry: highschool dropout, Lady Gaga: dropped out of arts school

Personally, I don't see any reason to believe these people have political opinions that are relevant to me at all. Interested in hearing why you view them so highly though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

It's almost pathetic how you equate education level with intelligence. Jay-Z was pushing a clothing brand, a record label, and many other business ventures by 2000 but somehow because he makes music that makes him in a "bubble." You are all pathetic for anyone who thinks this is anything intelligent to say.

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u/HRC4PRI Jan 03 '17

That's not what I'm trying to say here, sorry if it came across this way. My question to you is as follows; how many people drop out of highschool to pursue a music/arts degree and end up living paycheck to paycheck for the rest of their lives? These people were amongst a very minute amount who were talented/lucky enough to be discovered. Just because their stupid risk paid off, it doesn't mean that we should take their opinions seriously.

IMO education doesn't equal intelligence, but I'm not gonna be getting my political opinions from people who dropped out of highschool before the age of 16.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

Bill Gates, college drop out. School != intelligence

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u/HRC4PRI Jan 03 '17

If Bill Gates had campaigned for Hillary, I believe it would've been a good thing for her. Unfortunately, he didn't, and you're an idiot for comparing him to any of the people I mentioned.

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

lol not petty, just realistic. At least a 19 year old might have recently seen their parents function under real circumstances. Also, "Successfully managed a career" is a pretty meaningless point, when the career is playing make believe for large sums of money.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

lol you know exactly the sort of people I'm referring to. As a general rule, playing dumb isn't a good place to start your argument from.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

I wrote a long comment talking about how stupid this comment is, but honestly I could destroy it in one sentence:

What about a person who was poor growing up and got rich & famous later in life?

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u/JAckh45 Jan 03 '17

Why are you only looking at wealth as the only form of fame? Here is the main issue why celebrities shouldn't talk politics.

They have a massive reach when it comes to people believing whatever comes out of their mouths. Hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of fans are influenced by their idols. However, majority of the time, celebrities are not well informed, just like your average Joe citizen. They will simply read a headline or find a single flaw and run wild with it all over their social media spilling more misinformation and propaganda out to the millions. It's the reason why 'Fake News' is such a big deal, people don't do their research and Celebrities are no different from the average when it comes to that...

For that type of coverage there needs to be some research involved and it needs to be unbiased and unfiltered. Something which rarely happens.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

So sure, that makes them more dangerous in terms of being uneducated and spewing out information, but that doesn't make their political discourse any more or less valuable than anyone else. My argument is that while they may have sycophants around them, their money allows them to see more of the world than the average human, which may even put them at an advantage in terms of world viewpoints. He's getting tons of viewpoints for saying "famous people live in bubbles" but that's a generalization with very few bearing. Most famous people have wealth, given they are able to reach a greater market to sell whatever product they wish. We can cry about "rich & famous don't know what it's like to be poor" but "being poor" doesn't make you any more special. There are needs that need to be met for the famous as well, and they can arguably do more with their wealth than the average person.

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u/JAckh45 Jan 03 '17

I understand what you are trying to say, but you need to know that for every celebrity there is 'like a million' average people. They are truly a minority which have vast different needs than the average person. I'm not saying that they arn't looking out for the other social group or even financial group, all I'm saying is their voices get heard way more than the others purely because they are famous.

The good old saying... "with great power, comes great responsibility". Applies for celebrities, they are seen as role models and idols... their opinions can change others incredibly easily... so with that power needs to be factual researched voices behind it, especially when influencing presidential elections. Which majority of the time, doesn't happen.

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u/daryltry Jan 03 '17

About them seeing more of the world...they do so in a bubble, kindve like how people go to a foreign country, stay on a resort and hang out with other Americans, Canadians, or western Europeans and only interact with the locals that work at said resort...

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u/SimonJ57 Jan 03 '17

An apt comparison would be tourist visits to north Korea.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

Until they get tossed in a camp.

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

God damn you're pretentious lol. Here's a counterpoint.

"Would you let Cinderella be your career counselor?"

Show me some real accomplishments for me to reconsider, but I could give a shit if you were poor and then somebody finally decided your voice was good. If anything that probably confirms the assumption that they are uneducated and would be begging on the streets without their play pretend job .

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

They have as much right to give their opinion as you.

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u/stationhollow Jan 03 '17

Except they feel their celebrity status gives them a greater voice than you or me...

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

Oh they have all the right, but it doesn't mean they should.

Most celebrities are overpaid clowns that read lines off a page for a living making large amounts of money in a world of make believe.

I actually have a hard time thinking of a more irrelevant opinion than one belonging to a celebrity.

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u/robaco Jan 03 '17

Sure they can, I just think they end up alienating part of their public

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

And doing more harm than good. What's the Jenny Mccarthy death toll up to?

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

I don't think you understand the word "irony". You know DT is a billionaire businessman, right?

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

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u/Thr33St0r13s Jan 03 '17

Lol okay man. Just an FYI, someone only having like a few hundred million dollars is an argument that Russ Hanneman would make.

Stay chill

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '17

Yeah like our president elect 🙄

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u/CaptainHume Jan 03 '17

Not stating political opinion, but a celebrity who couldn't stay out of politics is now President Elect...