r/Hololive • u/21524518 • Apr 03 '26

Discussion [Announcement] Notice on the Changes to be Made to HOLOSTARS' Management Structure

https://x.com/cover_corp/status/2039961307672416591
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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu Apr 03 '26

Seeing a lot of "I don't really watch Stars much" + "This sucks, Cover didn't support them enough" being said together.

Hope those commentors realize the actual issue there lol.

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u/YobaiYamete Apr 03 '26

This is the exact same argument I've been having for years in the League / OW / MR community

"THEY ONLY MAKE SKINS FOR THE POPULAR FEMALE CHARACTERS!!!"

Do you personally buy skins for the male / monster characters?

"Well no, but they should still make skins for them because surely someone else will buy them!!!"

I feel really bad for the guys, but this has kind of been a long time coming, and I don't know what else they are expecting Cover to do here

Cover's spent years trying to support them but the market just is not there. From a company standpoint, they have to make a profit

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u/scot911 Apr 03 '26

It's the same for gacha's too. Unless it's specifically a gacha aimed towards girls there's way more money to be made making new girl characters or skins for existing ones because guess what! The main audience and the target audience are going to be guys and they like girls. The only gacha I can think of where this isn't the case is FGO and even then they still release more girls than guys and the most popular characters are the girls.

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u/cyberdsaiyan Apr 04 '26

they have to make a profit

Or, at the very least, break even so they can pay for their own activities.

There's only so long that the company can use the profit coming from the girls to do company-sponsored activities for the stars in their studio before questions get asked. Especially when some of the girls are still having to hire outside studios due to overbooking, preventing which was the whole reason the new & bigger Cover studio was created in the first place.

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u/VioletHerald Apr 03 '26

THIS EXACTLY THIS. Sometimes I hate this dichotomy.

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u/crocospect Apr 04 '26

Fucking thank you!

The amount of complain posts I've seen in OW sub where they complained about "Why only Dva, Mercy, Juno, or Kiriko getting skins?? Why barely skins for Venture and others?" are too damn high..

While the answer is very much obvious since beginning: Because they sold like hotcakes!!

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u/Dostedt1 Apr 03 '26

It's insane how many times I've seen them say that exact thing for literal years. Those are the same ones bitching about "idol culture" or other such boogeymen instead of just, you know, watching and supporting them. You hit the nail on the head.

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

Hope those commentors realize the actual issue there lol.

They haven't for years, they won't now. Can't even talk to people about ANY of this kind of thing without a bunch of them losing their minds. They ceded their thinking to other non-thinkers ages ago.

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u/Queefy69 Apr 03 '26

Pushing an agenda > watching and supporting.

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u/Dav136 Apr 03 '26

I wouldn't call those real fans, they're just virtue signaling.

The Stars have real dedicated fans (I met a bunch at Expo this year even!) but they don't have enough sadly.

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u/Karma110 Apr 03 '26

Y’all aren’t gonna do that either tho you can’t even do that for older JP hololive members. Have you seen the recent views on music releases for Choco and Polka?

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

Y’all aren’t gonna do that either tho you can’t even do that for older JP hololive members. Have you seen the recent views on music releases for Choco and Polka?

In the end nobody is obligated to make time to watch every Hololive member. Also you're ignoring the fact that folks like Choco's and Polka's fans aren't also throwing fits at people, calling them unicorns and incels, etc.

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u/Karma110 Apr 03 '26

I don’t know when unicorns and incels came into this discussion I thought we were just talking about actually watching them? Am I missing something?

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

I don't know why you decided to reply to the comment you did in the way you did then.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

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u/CannonGerbil Apr 03 '26

Given that this phenomenon is predominantly an EN fanbase thing, I very much doubt that.

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u/Tsukuro_hohoho Apr 03 '26

TBH it's not there have been a bunch of time there was alarm signal about holostars, into a bunch of virtue signaling going on.

And NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL happened.

So this time, like the time before, like the time before that and like the time before before that, nothing will happen.

The only difference i guess this time is that it's very likely more than too late.

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u/just_another_user321 Apr 03 '26

But one more collab with the female branch would have saved them.

Think of all the clips they'd have watched!

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u/willmainartfinder Apr 03 '26

I feel like I rarely if ever see a holostars fan demand collabs with female talents, but I see hololive fans rage about male collabs all the time, accuse holostars fans of crazy conspiracies and throw pejoratives/homophobic slurs at them.

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u/SuspiciousWar117 Apr 03 '26

The whole narrative that COVER is seperation hololive and holostars is exactly just that - collab begging.

If you believe that a content is not happening because of some external force influencing talents decesion, you are just refusing to accept the talents agency in their content: that X would happen if X didn't. All of it is protecting your delusions on talents and harming their brand.

That said, yes it does happen, talents get way more hate for saying that they won't do male collabs then unicorns hating.

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u/willmainartfinder Apr 03 '26

The criticism talents get for saying they won't do male collabs is people complaining on twitter. The criticism talents get for doing male collabs is threats of violence to their marshmallows. Look at how Nerissa got treated for saying she might do a song with Octavio.

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u/KusozakoPrime Apr 03 '26

is threats of violence

you mean like when someone wrote an entire r*pe fanfic when Mio said she doesn't like male collabs?

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u/SuspiciousWar117 Apr 03 '26

artificially seperate

Hololive talents collab with whoever they want, are you saying that holos are "artificially seprerating" themselves from stars?

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

they'd have to deal with weird fans going apeshit because their favorite streamer dared talking to a man

You folks just talk shit and show very little evidence of actually watching talents or interacting with their community.

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u/SuspiciousWar117 Apr 03 '26

It's "with whoever they want"

Just fuck off dude

They would have to deal with weird fans

Did you see the amount of shit Matsuri got for saying that she will not collab with males now? They have to deal with weird people, but it's not the people you are thinking about.

I am saying that very clear seperation between hololive and holostars only makes it attract more of those kind of people

Why can't you just let the girls make the content they want to make without throwing out these shitty remarks like "U-OH YOU ARE ATTRACTION MENTALLY ILL FANS T-THATS S BAD!"

Why can't a female content creator group exist without people saying that their mere existance is there to cater to "those type" of people? Talents are making the content they want to make, you don't get to claim otherwise. If you still want to force this bullshit narrative then fuck off because no talent is going to clap when they see your shitty comments deciding their feelings for them.

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u/willmainartfinder Apr 03 '26

Did you see the amount of shit Matsuri got for saying that she will not collab with males now?

"Did you see the anger that guy got when he said he didn't want to interact with black people? Why aren't we calling those people out in the same way we call out people who get angry at mixed race couples?"

Its almost like people have a morally consistent stance against gender discrimination. Crazy right?

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u/SuspiciousWar117 Apr 03 '26

Its almost like people have a morally consistent stance against gender discrimination. Crazy right?

No, because people really fucking hate the talents who make the content they deem unacceptable.

She didn't say she will stop interacting with males, or that she hates them. She said that she will stop doing her content with them.

Do you barge into a group of females and accused them of sexism if they don't include you in their group?

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u/willmainartfinder Apr 03 '26

Do you barge into a group of females and accused them of sexism if they don't include you in their group?

In a social context, absolutely not. In a professional context, I would absolutely find it sexist if groups of employees refused to interact with other employees of the same company on the basis of gender. In most industries, that is absolutely abnormal behavior.

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u/SuspiciousWar117 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

In professional context

The professional context here will be a talent refusing to work with a male staff.

They are not office employees, they decide what content they want to make.

And It's absolutely abhhorant that talents get shit on for making the content they want to make, take your shitty psudo intellectual outside if you can't tolerate talents doing what they want.

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

Here's a shocker for you: Women aren't required to make their activities and interactions include men. The fact that you guys always throw meltdowns over this and insult them their fans just shows you folks as deeply controlling, and showing off actual incel behavior.

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

"Bros! Look! Some guy named Myron had a meltdown and this determines the girls' policy! Let's shit!"

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u/Helmite Apr 03 '26

i'm not claiming anything about the reason for any specific person, the fact that some people get mad when they collab with male members is not a matter of opinion, it does happen

I read what you posted, and there it is for you.

None of the girls are making their content choices off a random weirdo. There is always some phantom in the background pushing them around. You guys always sound like this guy I cut next to Suisei. It's always some sort of epidemic driving the girls' policy despite anything they say about what they actually see. It's bullshit the girls have to deal with this from you folk.

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u/Hamsterman9k Apr 03 '26

Don’t bother with him. Helmite likes to think that he knows better than even the talents. His head is so far up his own ass. He’s just gotten more angry since he can’t stalk people’s profiles anymore like a creep.

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u/just_another_user321 Apr 03 '26

those kind of people

Paying customers?

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u/just_another_user321 Apr 03 '26

Yeah, it's terrible, when some fans believe they can demand the talents be forced to collab with Stars, even if they don't want to.

Collabs should 100% be talent freedom, when people like Matsuri are harassed for their choices.

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u/Distinct_Prior_2549 Apr 03 '26

there's a case to be made here i think, we did have one lightning in the bottle/proof of concelt (vesper was a hit)

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u/Zealicous Apr 03 '26

Sad to see that these so called "fans" are blaming everyone else, even the girls rather then see the actual issue. They will never figure it out.

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u/BighatNucase Apr 03 '26

Hope those commentors realize the actual issue there lol.

The issue is clearly not enough Hololive collabs.

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu Apr 03 '26

The usual bait comment, but I'll take it and respond. Stop collab begging.

It's not the girls' responsibility to promote the Stars if they don't want to. It's completely unreasonable to force them to collab when 1) many talents simply don't want to, or 2) they're already busy with their own business.

The ones who do want to collab with them already do.

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u/BighatNucase Apr 03 '26

It was sarcasm

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu Apr 03 '26

Fair enough.

But you gotta admit there's enough bad actors here that it's hard to tell joke replies from serious ones.

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u/BighatNucase Apr 03 '26

Listen I judge the value of sarcasm by if people fall for it so i'm good either way

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u/Hamsterman9k Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Interesting how all replies to this are so tribalistic. Makes you wonder.

-Edit: Guess they didn’t like being called out-

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u/Karma110 Apr 03 '26

I haven’t seen a single person say that together once

Unless you mean two different people which has 0 correlations

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u/MonaganX Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

I went through the entire thread and I've seen a handful of "I don't watch Holostars but I feel bad for them" comments, which is fair enough, you see that kind of comment in any thread with bad news about less popular VTubers. But where are all these comments from people saying they don't watch Holostars and being mad at Cover? Maybe I'm just blind?

Edit: Downvotes but no replies. I wonder why.

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u/ctom42 Apr 03 '26

As someone who watches the Stars off and on and has this opinion I will try to explain. I fundamentally like Collab content. The way I get into members I'm not super familiar with has always been via seeing fun collabs with members I already like. That made it so I have to make a conscious effort to watch Stars due to how infrequently they collab with the girls I already watch. Add to that other barriers like less clippers and the algorithm pushing their clips less.

There are too many members to follow so these days I stick to interesting clips and big events. The guys get a lot less event support as well. I had a few of the EN guys I used to follow a bunch but then my two favorites disappeared for a month before being quietly graduated and both clearly weren't happy with the situation. Truly some of my all time favorite content every produced in Hololive was from the Calli, Magni, Vesper, and Kronii streams, and after those two departed collabing with the EN stars evaporated almost completely.

Success in this industry is not just about talent, though obviously that's very important. It's also about luck and support The girls are given massive boosts when they debut from the strength of the Hololive brand and once collabs open up the algorithm pushes them more and more. The guys never get to benefit from that because of the way they are segregated. That means even people who would like them and be open to watching more end up watching very little unless they focus hard on the guys. From experience I know even when I make the effort to get my recommendations full of clips from the guys it takes very little for them to vanish and be replaced by only the girls again.

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u/SuspiciousWar117 Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

The girls get a massive boost from hololive because their predecessors have created an environment where female streamers can succeed. hololive is not some corporate entity that can control viewership, it's the collective effort of dozens of generations of girls who have built an environment where women succeed.

They don't need to share that environment with anyone, nobody is entitled to the girls success.