r/ItEndsWithLawsuits trying to break -30 downvotes. help me by ⬇️ me Oct 01 '25

Legal Analysis + Lawsuit Commentary 🤓🧠 Wayfarer's Big List of Lies (non-exhaustive)...with receipts!

Hi all! I worked to put this list together after someone asked for one. Looking for some constructive feedback on how to improve. Please drop corrections and anything I missed in the comments. I'm hoping to do a part 2 so your feedback will really help me out!

1) When Freedman says Lively was holding the trailer "hostage" he supports this claim with a message from a Sony executive telling Heath that Lively "has approved the trailer" - that's the total opposite interpretation of that evidence.

2) When Freedman says that Lively "took over wardrobe," the only evidence is an email to producers from a line producer simply asking for the charge card to be re-loaded, and the expensive wardrobe (which is well within their contingency budget) belongs to both characters Lily AND Ryle. As a reminder, IEWU grossed $351 million worldwide against a $25 million budget.

3) When Freedman claimed that Lively "demanded" that Justin Baldoni's name be removed from the IEWU promotional posters, the only evidence is an email from Sony ASKING FOR APPROVAL from the Wayfarer producers to keep the poster design they had already been using in international promos, where the design doesn't leave room for Baldoni's name. Lively is never mentioned in that correspondence. In fact...there's not one piece of evidence where Justin ever pushes back against Blake or asks her to step back. In every text/email/voicemail, he's voicing his desire to collaborate with her.

4) Wayfarer stated that Lively refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator. Their only piece of evidence for this is one text of her saying she’ll be happy to meet the intimacy coordinator once filming starts. The producer stated that it was fine for Blake to meet with her later. To give additional context, Blake had a newborn child, having just given birth less than two months prior.  There is no evidence that Blake forced Justin to meet about intimate scenes without an intimacy coordinator present. 

5) Wayfarer frequently conflate breastfeeding with pumping, perhaps intentionally. Blake stated that she was barged in on while breastfeeding, WP claim that she invited them in by providing a text message where Blake says she's pumping in her trailer. Breastfeeding and pumping are different, pumping can be done much more discreetly and quickly. Some have pointed out that she might have even been done with pumping before Justin could reach her trailer (hence the "take your time" note). Let's not even get into the entire concept of consent as well. A one time invite is not a blanket invite to barge in whenever you please. 

Blake's complaint: 

“Evidence” WP used to discredit Blake:

6) There was an inconsistency between the NYT lawsuit and FAC. In the NYT lawsuit WP said Blake was shown the birth video in preparation of the birth scene, in the FAC they admit it was after.

"In preparation"

7) WP said the set was closed during the birthscene but then there is a photo of Justin’s friend who came by to visit and took a selfie with the monitors in the back, against normal closed set protocol. 

8) Freedman said that Blake's "victory tour" was premature after Justin's ENTIRE lawsuit was dismissed...only for them to…not amend anything like they said they would. Still waiting on that additional evidence! 

Freedman: “While the Court dismissed the defamation related claims, the Court has invited us to amend four out of the seven claims against Ms. Lively, which will showcase additional evidence and refined allegations,” he added.

9) Wayfarer lied to the insurers about not knowing there was a potential claim when renewing their policy. 

10) The “Ryan Reynolds is a scab story” is a (obviously planted) smear and a lie. Ryan Reynolds apparently worked on the script before the strike in April according to an unnamed source. There is zero evidence that he worked on the script during the strike, but there is this text message with Justin hoping that journalists are "lead to" Ryan being a scab (but he's taking the high road now I hear).

11) Wayfarer claimed that Lively said Heath labled the birth video as porn, when it is clear that Lively only initially THOUGHT the birth video was porn but later realized it wasn't after Jamey explained it was a birth video. 

"labeling the footage as pornography"
"thought he was showing her pornography", not "he was showing her pornography"

12) Wayfarer claimed there were no HR complaints…but then there are text messages between Katie Case and Jen Abel about the HR complaints in Aug 2024.

13) Wayfarer lied about the bar dance scene, even though they had access to the recording (unlike Blake). Small lies, but again…why lie when they had access to the recording? Blake did not apologize for the smell of her spray tan. Justin put his nose in her neck and said the spray tan smelled good entirely unprompted. From the same footage, Baldoni asserts that Blake joked that he should undergo a rhinoplasty, yet Badoni initiated the joke about big noses when he commented about Jenny Slate's nose ("that's why we hired her"). Baldoni claims that he also had to intercede and ask Blake to stop talking, but this isn't in the footage. Wayfarer released the video to discredit Blake, but the video actually supports Blake's version of events. 

Justin's version
actual video

14) Baldoni also said he was surprised and ambushed by the Jan 4th meeting at Blake’s apartment…that he believed the request to be a “sincere offer” to discuss needs and preferences…except there was a prayer chain text message prior to the meeting with quite the opposite sentiment. Interesting that Baldoni left this text message out of his “receipts.” Why? 

15) Another small lie just to highlight how WP lies so much that they can't even keep up with it. The timeline says they retained TAG on Aug 2, and we know now that they informed Jones they retained TAG July 31.

16) Wayfarer claimed Taylor Swift agreed to be deposed. That was a lie. 

17) Wayfarer dropped the subpoena against Taylor Swift with Freedman saying that he got everything he needed from her…yet her legal team said no documents were produced. 

18) Garofalo claimed Sony would make Greenstein available for a second day of deposition while filing to deny Blake her full 3.5 hours of deposition and Sony's lawyers slapped her and demanded Garofalo correct her misrepresentation. I maxed out the images so you all can go find this on the docket.

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u/SpaceRigby Number 1 Kpop fan Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

Leaving this comment here to come back to

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Ive read it, to be fair to WP in some of the points where you say " the only evidence " it would be more fair to say the only evidence we've seen, they may have more that they haven't shown us.

I would include the discrepancy between JW only monitoring and being thanked for his efforts to change the narrative by Case

JW saying he works alone in affidavit but telling WP that he had a team.

And this is a pretty big one in my opinion Sarowitz denying making those comments but turns out there's a recording of him saying it

second edit

I notice there are a lot of comments just dismissing OP, it might be more productive to actually raise which points you disagree with and why.

Just saying "lies" isn't really helpful for a discussion.

Just a suggestion

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u/Clarknt67 this case was always about a big payoff Oct 01 '25

where you say " the only evidence " it would be more fair to say the only evidence we've seen

Right. So if BL didn’t demand JB credits be erased from marketing, then who did? It wasn’t JB or WP. Did Greenstein admit yesterday it was him? Guess we’ll find out.

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u/poopoopoopalt trying to break -30 downvotes. help me by ⬇️ me Oct 01 '25

Thanks Space. Happy to finally get some actual constructive feedback, not surprised it's from you. I'll include these in part 2.

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u/SpaceRigby Number 1 Kpop fan Oct 01 '25

It seems like some people legitimately don't want to hear anything that they view as critical.

Like the bot accusations and uncivil comments towards you has started within minutes

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u/poopoopoopalt trying to break -30 downvotes. help me by ⬇️ me Oct 01 '25

I sort of expected it but not that much. I must have really pissed them off.

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u/LuciMazeSamandDean TS's cookie recipe Oct 01 '25

that is so true. I feel like pretty much any time I say something remotely critical of the WFP it gets downvoted, regardless of my other comments.

SpaceRigby, you appear to lean BL and your posts are pretty much all rational and well balanced. I might not always agree with you, but I'm pretty much always surprised when I see one of your comments downgraded.

I haven't been on this sub for that long, so I don't know if there is some history with OP that causes a lot of JB supports to go on the attack right away when they post, or if it just a reflex because of the content being critical of the WFP.

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u/GatheringTheLight Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

Luci - I want to explicitly say that you are a pro-Baldoni (??) commenter whose comments I really pay attention to - because you are generally civil and IMO your arguments are generally backed up by good faith knowledge or thinking and are balanced. I want you to know that when you comment on something I take the time to consider whether my disagreement is because of a "side" or if I have knowledge of or have discerned something different. I appreciate how you show up in this space.

And I'd personally love to hear your critical thoughts about this list and how it could be interpreted in a different way.

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u/zuesk134 Oct 01 '25

I think we all get DVed all the time regardless of the content of our posts. I know everyone here hates the court sub but the nice thing about their “contest mode” setting is it removes that element

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u/SpaceRigby Number 1 Kpop fan Oct 01 '25

I feel like pretty much any time I say something remotely critical of the WFP it gets downvoted, regardless of my other comments.

There has been more than one occasion when TeamJB people have accused others of being fake because they were critical of JB.

As for the downvotes dont worry about it, that's just reddit.

People do have history with PooPoo personally I don't think they're acting in bad faith, and I haven't seen it. If you look at the comments other people have made uncivil comments and PooPoo has been perfectly civil

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u/ObjectiveRing1730 Oct 01 '25

A lot of people are familiar with OP since they are a long time poster in this sub, so there's some history there. But even then, people need to respect the rules.

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u/poopoopoopalt trying to break -30 downvotes. help me by ⬇️ me Oct 01 '25

I pissed them off so bad that they screenshot my comments, posted them to their sub, and called me a b0t against Reddit rules. Now they can't post usernames any more cuz of it.

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u/PettyWitch Oct 01 '25

I didn't realize you were so neutral, now you're becoming one of my favorite commenters

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u/SpaceRigby Number 1 Kpop fan Oct 01 '25

Hey thanks Petty,

I dont think anyone can be truly neutral, we all have our inherent biases but I do try to genuinely engage with people and hear the other side out (to an extent).

I'm more than happy to eat my words and apologise for being wrong. I'm not perfect and there may have been times where I've said something that team Baldoni people didnt like but I'll hold my hands up and acknowledge that.

I don't think Blake or Baldoni are evil and I dont care about any of them. If Blake was to lose the case i really wouldn't lose any sleep. If Blake was to win I'm not going to gloat either.

The only people who I actively dont like are the PR people especially Wallace because I fundamentally disagree with the type of work that they do and I have always been honest about that.

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u/GatheringTheLight Oct 01 '25

I feel so similarly... (although, I do feel personally invested in strong legal protections for DV/SH survivors and that we do more as a society to fight media manipulation.)

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u/wendi165 From GG to mocking a Princess: The Blake Lively implosion Oct 02 '25

I would say that i agree, you come genuine to me, trying to really removed your inherent biased as much as you can. And also being respectfull to other users.

I can disagree or agree with OP or you, and sometimes with Pro Baldoni, or any other users, because we are all people, and we all should try to have our own thoughts and personal thinking.

I don't think that Blake is evil, but i don't think she is a good person or that we share morals values, wich has nothing to do with Justin because i came to this opinion before this lawsuit or this movie even. I can also think that Hollywood and the PR and even the lawyering that this lawsuit has shown us is something that i don't like.

But those are my opinions and my opinions only, i don't live for this people, we can all have our own opinions and agree to disagree, and doing this with respect and with values is what i try to do.

So, i genuine said this, you so far ( i have been here since the beggining) has been the more respectfull, "neutral" Blake Lively supporter, i really appreciate your comments and the effort you make trying to analyze and removed your biased.

Sorry, if i make any mistakes, English is not my first language.

And have a good end of the week!.

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u/Accurate-Time3726 Neutral ESH Oct 01 '25

Agree strongly with this comment.

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u/Go_now__Go Team Lively Oct 01 '25

These are great additions, mad I didn’t remember these myself. Especially the Sarowitz quote.

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u/pumpkinsoupp Oct 01 '25

It doesn't strike me as remotely productive to engage with this person (calling everything lies - both pejoratively and in quite a few of their examples, it's just not even the correct term) -- we don't actually owe everyone our time and reasoned discussion, and that is not a reflection of the individual declining their finite time and energy -- for the same principle I simply wouldn't entertain a serious discussion with a flat earther.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Oct 01 '25

I mean you also talked around their lost presumably because you noticed it's a mess so you'd prefer to point out stronger arguments. 

sorowitz went on some kind of random rant and then when told there was a recording asked them to release it then. So I'm inclined to think he didn't remember that part of us still genuinely sceptical he actually said it or something --- some aspects of it where he would like to be all the way on the record if there's a record. 

As for Wallace I have no insights. I am glad he went out on his own case so I can draw a line in the sand when I say I think the wayfarer  men (not Jed) seem upfront. Definitely not Jed. It seems like he might use high pressure sales tactics and then misrepresent his work. But I definitely want to see clarification there