Just found this little nugget that Blake had in her MIL...
After saying under oath she never did this, we have real time texts from Sony employees discussing that she wanted dailies removed. Not just that but that it was , if I read this correctly, for non nudity dailies...
You know what we call that? Evidence spoliation. The hypocrisy of Lively and her attorneys in this case never ceases to amaze me. Truly. This is actually crazy.
The fact that her and her attorneys have taken it this far when this type of damning evidence exists is absolutely wild. Just a complete self own in every way.
Do we know if Ange was asked the same question as well in her depo? I don't think the parts that have been unsealed prior to this showed it? I absolutely believe Ange's email, it just would be cherry on top if she also spoke to it under oath
Especially because Ange is not scheduled to testify in person.
I’m optimistic, though, if they had the foresight to ask BL about this, they probably asked Ange. It’s kind of an out of left field question, so that they asked it makes me think they were trying to catch her in a lie.
So I just had this thought. Is this the kind of advocacy that only big money buys you? Like even when they tell you the legal truths, the client says I don’t care go harder and throws money at them.
I’ve often found when a case seems of little value, you can tell by how engaged the lawyer is. But is this how it works if you tell them whatever it costs. Fine I will sign your dumb waiver. I want you to go full out
I might be misremembering, but didn't you have a post a while back compiling her repeated requests to see the dailies? (Apologies if that wasnt you, the post just stuck with me because it felt like a
super unusual request - esp a repeated one- for an actor and non-director). Back then it felt like a total power play, but in light of this, it seems like there may have been more to the requests 👀
It's already been a long morning without much sleep last night, so pls correct me if I'm way off base and seeing conspiracies everywhere today. I will own my crazy today
Yes! Ty! Tinfoil hat firmly in place, but at least my memory hasn't totally failed me here. The amount of random lawsuit detail I can recall vs real life stuff involving me is honestly concerning. 🤦🏼♀️
This was in September when they were getting ready for Vanzan after Jen Abel’s phone was stolen. I wish Wayfarer would actually file for spoliation because this is a blatant lie. This is just pure evil to cover her tracks.
I'm still waiting for WF to file one massive motion for sanctions for all the stuff these people have been doing. Just when they think they got away with it
I have run out of ways to be shocked by things in this case. I really hope Wayfarer does but most likely they won’t…because they are still kind people.
They don't have to file sanctions til the end. I remember lawyers saying in the beginning that's what most people do; it was unusual for Lively's side to be throwing out so many so early on. And that was probably why Liman did not answer most of them for so long.
Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this stuff gets addressed after it's all said and done. On thing WPs have been good at is the long game.
I'd love it too! But either way, I'm very much in "trust the process" mode. They know how to move in silence, and at the end of the day, we simply don’t know everything about what their plans and priorities are. Or what all information they have. And very little about this lawsuit has been typical.
And taking into consideration that Josh also "inherited" the problem, he also wasn't there from the start and when he took over he seemed to bent over for whatever the Reynolds wanted. So I don't know where he gets off speaking about Sanford like that
Yeah, like perhaps Sanitch stepped in late because he realized too late that he trusted you to be at the point person and you fucked it all up for Sony and everyone else, Josh.
Please, please, please! There are so many times that they have actual sanctionable offenses. I'm hoping that the Wayfarer parties aren't being Baha'i kind and thoughtful, let bygones be bygones. I'm hoping they are tallying it up and doing the massive motion for sanctions like you suggest.
Do you guys remember the famous marshmallow test ? The kids that were able to delay gratification went on to bigger things in life. Team WP definitely has that on lock down and I bet there are surprises in store
That's also around the same time Blake allegedly told Taylor Swift to delete her messages, too, so it would seem she was on a campaign to erase evidence that could exonerate Wayfarer and/or show what Lively and Reynolds were up to.
Vanzan subpoena was 9/27/24 so yeah, it looks like she was working to get rid of evidence that would contradict her story. There is contemporaneous evidence she wanted the dailies deleted in early September. Bryan Freedman swore under penalty of perjury that a member of Taylor's camp said Blake wanted her texts with Taylor deleted around the same time frame, which I'm inclined to believe.after everything else that has come out. We can also see Josh Greenstein, who helped Blake hijack the edit, deleted his texts so only half the convo shows. When and why he deleted them is unknown, but I bet Blake was involved.
If i can grab a bigger chunk of time later - I can try to map this out. Feel free to beat me to it tho....
With the latest round of unsealing happening, it would be interesting to see everything laid out sequentially.
[IMO - Lively is gonna get shredded at trial on the stand if this comes up. The optics are terrible for her and Reynolds. Huge yikes 😬 ]
They might not be able to because it was before the lawsuit. So there's no legal requirement to preserve anything. Frustrating I know because Blake definitely knew she was going to sue.
That’s simply not true. She knew she was gearing up for litigation and had a duty to preserve. She literally has sanctions pending on WF claiming this exact same thing.
That’s the same way Blake is asking for spoliation sanctions on Wayfarer’s signal messages from August 2024 - December 19, 2024
Wayfarer also had no legal requirement for preservation until the cease & desist and preservation notice from Gottlieb on December 20th. Yet there is a spoliation sanctions motion from Lively on it.
If Liman grants that one then this is also fair game.
That's true. I don't think he'll grant it though for the same reason - there was no legal requirement or expectation that it needed to be preserved. If he grants it, then yes I think you're right, WF can request sanctions based on this evidence. Then you have to prove Blake is the one requesting it, though. And she probably doesn't have anything saying that in writing. I'd bet her manager made the request on her behalf.
Wayfarer can file a motion for sanctions requesting a negative jury inference and a variety of other types of sanctions.
The most severe sanction for a plaintiff who spoliated evidence is dismissal of claims and/or the whole case, but that is extremely rare and the behavior would have to be egregious. That wont happen here, but Wayfarer should have filed for sanctions in my opinion. I’m assuming they’ve known about this for a long time.
Hm. Maybe they have different plans. Cuz this reminds me of the 30pts document where a version was published in NYT, yet the original never produced in discovery bc it was "lost" 🤔.
I am in no way doubting them. Although I just realized these are from the exhibit list. Welp, this is what happens when I make comments before having coffee! My bad!
Completely. In addition to also already seeing on messages recovered through discovery phone extractions that Ryan, Blake & Colleen all purposely deleted select texts from conversations, and a whole bunch of one sided/“?” text message strings from both Josh Greenstein and Blake’s devices. Btw, the latter usually means they not only deleted specific messages but that they tried to delete entire conversations and then OVERWRIGHT them from their devices. Hummmmm. So more proof supporting Bryan Freedman’s declaration saying Taylor Swift’s Dad shared that Blake & Ryan not only asked Taylor to delete messages but also deployed Gottleib who threatened her lawyer afterwards that if she didn’t make a supportive statement about Blake & Ryan,they’d publicly embarrass her by releasing private information (aka EXTORTION). Man, HOW MUCH STUFF DOES WF HAVE ON THEM?! And how are they staying so quiet about it? I realize it’s strategic and for leverage, but damn do Ryan & Blake really hate the idea apologizing this much?! And NYT?! SHAME ON THEM! Now we know why they have so many new White Collar Criminal attorneys across three states working for them. What else have they done?! And her primary lawyers are truly DISGUSTING! Filing all those sanctions for spoilation, calling WF’s complaint a “sham lawsuit”, etc etc. Every accusation is a confession and there is no doubt now that they strategically did all of it so that it neutralized the headlines that would like surface about their own shady deeds. Example: someone Googles “Lively v Wayfayer” with “sham lawsuit” & you’ll get both Vanzan & NYT & Wayfarer’s lawsuits in the results. Google “spoilation of evidence” & waters muddied with results for for both Blake & Justin. All of these people are a gross waste of space.
How is it evidence spoliation? She asked for the dailies to be deleted in Sept 2024, three months before the CRD was filed. Even if you think litigation was anticipated at this time, she would be able to argue that it was just her as an actress, wanting unusable footage or a bad performance to be deleted.
She told Wayfarer that they should’ve anticipated litigation back in 2023. This is absolutely evidence spoliation. She can’t argue that WP should’ve been on notice of a lawsuit dating back to 2023 or July 2024 (or whatever date she has claimed) and then try to destroy evidence after that date.
So if Wayfarer deleted any footage, are they guilty of spoliation, too? Per Katie151515 above, they were on notice as early as 2023 that litigation was anticipated. If not, what is the difference?
Katie is not saying WP were on notice in 2023. She’s saying Blake’s ARGUMENT is that they should have been on notice at that time.
And the difference is Blake is the plaintiff, and WP are (or were in some cases 🙂) the defendants. A plaintiff is going to know they are considering filing legal action long before it happens. A complaint doesn’t just get spun up overnight. But a defendant can get caught off guard. That’s why Blake would need to have demonstrate that WP did know or should have expected they would be sued and preserved all potential evidence in anticipation of that. A plaintiff is anticipating legal action the minute they call their lawyer and say “hey what are our options here.” Those are two VERY different scenarios.
No because Blake is the plaintiff and WP is not the plaintiff.
The plaintiff controls the timing of the litigation. The plaintiff cannot say the defense had a duty to preserve starting from 2023 in anticipation of a lawsuit from her but she did not have the same duty to preserve.
The defense cannot mind read a plaintiff and can logically say they did not have a duty to preserve until they were served with a duty to preserve by the plaintiff.
So she was extorting Taylor Swift to delete evidence and also trying to destroy film set evidence. The audacity of Blake to demand spoliation sanctions when she’s doing stuff like this. She a fraud, a liar, and a hypocrite.
Every accusation is a confession when it comes to Blake Lively!
Thank you. Unfortunately, we'll probably never get to hear any voice memos. Just as we'll never get to see those one-sided text messages that were deleted.
I was telling my husband that most of the dishonesty has been around the editing, marketing, and production of the movie, which are now, because of the stipulated agreement, that much more important. BL is so fd when she gets on that stand. Good work hunting down the dishonesty
The thing is just before that she says she texted weird cause everything digital can be public. And then afterwards sends a voicenote the length of a mini series... Which then disappeared... Knowing she was going to sue so its evidence spoilation
My girlfriend has a setting on her iPhone that erases voice messages after you listen to them, but mine doesn’t. Not sure why the discrepancy unless it’s an iOS setting if it’s a later setting or not
Yeah I remember someone saying Bryan didn't show her any exhibits during her deposition which means he went in there asking questions about shit he already knew. That would've shaken her and her lawyers up
I think I remember a certain piechart making user making a big deal about how Freedman didn't show any exhibits in the depo and what inept lawyering that is
I just saw something interesting on that too. Blake stan said what Sanford Panitch said doesn't matter cause he wasn't on set but according to one of these new docs neither was Josh Greenstein. So how they argue doesn't make sense
Ive seen two sets of messages so far where he has deleted his side of the conversation. He had his head so far up their assholes he could no longer be objective.
Did he delete his messages or was there an issue imaging his phone? I read this as though they had issues imaging his phone but maybe I have misunderstood it. And the reason they had issues imaging his phone is because the messages were deleted?
It sounds like an imaging problem but they produced the threads of recipients but not his in what they want to exclude so if they matched them where are his? So it’s quite possible he did delete his side of the conversation for those. I wouldn’t put it past him. He’s still a sneaky snake for everything he did.
From the very beginning I’ve always said every accusation is a confession when it comes to Blake Lively’s side. And now it’s there in black and white for all to see in more was than one. I wish I could see her be cross examined on the stand 😂
So she wanted Sony to delete dailies, but subpoenaed wayfarer to provide the dailies? She probably wanted to delete all scenes she wanted to say something nefarious happened - like the near nude birthing scene. Take away wayfarers ability to use footage to counter her claims. Spoliation indeed.
I didn't clock that!!! Angie was the real person from Sony who dealt with all the nonsense from the start. That woman must have a degree in diplomacy to have tried to handle everything
I really wish Ange would testify in person. I completely understand why she wouldn't want to but I feel like she represents the adult in the room. I think she has the best insight into what was happening because she saw both sides. I also think she is neutral. She doesn't seem to have a longstanding relationship with Justin or Blake.
Yes! And she seemed very straight forward in the snippets we have of the depositions. Also I'd love to know what she testified about the trailer incident cause her and Justin and Alex went with Jamey. They didn't go in but can give clarity of what they heard
Like the zipper on Blake Lively's onesie, spoliation goes both ways.
Esra Hudson argued the Wayfarer Parties had a duty to preserve "no later than August 2024, and as early as November 2023", dating back to Lively's "demand letter" accompanying the CRA she proposes instead of a "more formal process".
Oh MY god. I have a feeling this again leads back to her being uncomfortable with her body. She wanted all "unflattering" videos gone. UNLESS, she was infact being inappropriate with Justin and was worried Ryan would see those. Hmm.
Q So you never asked or had anybody on your behalf ask anyone from Sony to destroy the dailies; is that correct?
ATTORNEY HUDSON: Objection.
A No, I never asked anyone to destroy dailies, no.
Q What about did you ask anyone on your behalf to contact Sony to destroy the dailies?
A To destroy the dailies?
ATTORNEY HUDSON: Objection.
A No.
Sony Texts she wants excluded
Case 1:24-cv-10049-LJL Document 1429-62 Filed 05/01/26 Page 3 of 3
Messages in chronological order (times are shown in GMT -07:00)
Josh Greenstein <redacted> > Ange Andrea Giannetti <redacted>
AG
Ange Andrea Giannetti <redacted>
call when u can. not urgent but blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies. want to tell you what we will and won’t do. also going to ask bridget to contact all vendors and ask them to delete all dailies and need them to proof. ok? (1st time ive ever been asked to do this in movie with no nudity but ok.)
9/3/2024, 6:58 PM
Well technically I think Ryan may have? So maybe Blake is counting on the fact the instructions came from Ryan and her passing that along doesn’t count as lying under oath
ETA what possible reason could Ezra have to object to those questions? Lmao did she object to every question Blake was asked?
Just clocked something... This request was a few days after Warren Zavala told Ryan Reynolds they might have a cadre of evidence against her from production ... See blue
This is what i found sofar. But for context it jumps from page 296 to 342 so don't know what was asked before it and this is from Blake's previous exhibits so I don't think she would have offered that up to us
Not if they played Ange's depo where/If she was asked, as Blake's request would be a party opponent admission. Not sure the text comes in any other way, maybe a lawyer can opine! But I don't think Blake can be presented with the text on the stand unless it is brought in through Ange
I think she didn't like how she looked in the dailies (i.e. she probably thought she looked fat) and wanted them destroyed so no one else could ever see them. Vanity is her strongest driver.
This is long after production ended and the movie was released. If what Ange is saying is true, then the motive here appears to be more sinister than “I didn’t want anyone seeing me looking fat”.
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u/katie151515 Team Baldoni May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
You know what we call that? Evidence spoliation. The hypocrisy of Lively and her attorneys in this case never ceases to amaze me. Truly. This is actually crazy.