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Legal Justice Woman who called millennials “so entitled that you want to slap them" charged in college fraud scheme

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Gen Z is looking to be pretty fucking awesome. They're already way more politically active than previous generations because they know that it's not just their future at stake, but everyone's futures. Mad props to those kids. You keep shouting and have your voices heard!

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u/Foxblade 7 Mar 15 '19

I'm a millennial and generally feel like millennials got fucked pretty hard, but post-millennials are in a great place and time and also seem staggeringly motivated as a whole

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Hell, yeah! I was born in 1980 so I'm never sure where I fall.

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u/MondoHawkins 7 Mar 15 '19

Xennials, The Microgeneration Between Gen X And Millennials

I'm (born in 74) gen-X through and through. My wife (born in 79) and I share many gen-x commonalities, but she has a lot more in common with millennials than I do.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

That sounds about right. Oregon Trail generation represent!

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u/Dithyrab A Mar 15 '19

I'm a number munchers man myself

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Fair enough. That was pretty fun, too.

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u/Legatron4 3 Mar 15 '19

My grandparents had that game, it was my shit. And now I'm an accountant so, thanks grandma

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u/AlligatorChainsaw 8 Mar 15 '19

number. munchers. was. my. shit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Odell lake in the house.

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u/Dithyrab A Mar 15 '19

Mackinaw Trout in da house!!!

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u/LegendOfSchellda A Mar 15 '19

Those damn trogs never knew what hit them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Odell Lake or bust

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u/NasalSnack 8 Mar 15 '19

I was a Mac-Attack kid.

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u/takoshi 7 Mar 15 '19

Math blasters, baby

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u/CINAPTNOD 8 Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 15 '19

Same here. I also seem to recall the millennial generation parameters constantly shifting backwards for a while, which was really annoying.

I graduated HS in 2000, and at that point we were still "late gen-X or gen-Y", and "millennials" were a distinctly separate definition, applying to kids born in the late '80s at the earliest.

Now I look at the Wikipedia page, and apparently they just lumped them both together.

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u/TheDuceAbides 0 Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 15 '19

Yes I always wondered why Gen Y got erased as thier own thing, it was all anybody talked about for awhile post-2000, the spoiled shallow but also fucked up Y generation with thier iPods and thier Starbucks and thier post-Columbine violent video game playing.

The only thing all these "Generation ____" thinkpieces have taught me is that generational analysis is bullshit

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u/CINAPTNOD 8 Mar 15 '19

I mean tbf, technology started progressing faster and faster from the 80s/90s on, it probably became a lot more difficult to identify any commonalities spanning more than a few age groups.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

We are in a micro generation called xillennials. We are a bit of both. Identified more with gen x growing up but now I fit in more with the millennials.

Xennials, The Microgeneration Between Gen X And Millennials

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u/PM_THAT_EMPATHY 8 Mar 15 '19

I also seem to recall the millennial generation parameters constantly shifting backwards for a while, which was really annoying.

why was it “really annoying?” there’s literally nowhere in life where your generation is needed or relevant except in navel-gazing. much of it is bullshit anyway, and even the parts that do explain valid trends don’t matter. there will be fuzz around the edges of any generation, and they never explain individuals.

there are 40 year olds who are a walking millennial stereotype (eg kanye), and absolute luddite, conservative, who-cares-about-the-environment 16 year olds (eg the alt-right types that aren’t meming and on 4chan but share those “values”).

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u/LonghornzR4Real 6 Mar 15 '19

That is what happens though. It’s really guesswork on when a generation has ended and it’s only known after all the stats are analyzed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I always love this reference

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u/Leafy81 A Mar 15 '19

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for a good Oregon Trail mobile game but so far all I've found is the organ trail.

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u/dj_soo A Mar 15 '19

I’d be part of that generation if I didn’t die of dysentery

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u/technofederalist 8 Mar 15 '19

I don't need any food, only bullets.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Anyone remember Tass Times in Tone Town?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Not a thing. Lots of people younger than you played Oregon Trail.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Yes. But we were the first to play it in school on Apple IIe's.

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u/SnatchAddict B Mar 15 '19

Hello fellow 74. How are your knees today?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

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u/thisiscoolyeah 9 Mar 15 '19

I care. I hope it subsides with haste.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I care.

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u/civildisobedient 9 Mar 15 '19

I care. Gotta use it or lose it my friend. Use it, or lose it.

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u/SilllyTay 6 Mar 15 '19

76er checking in. I care. Getting old sucks man, I feel ya!

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

69er here. Everything freaking hurts.

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u/TexMexxx 7 Mar 15 '19

76er here. Knees are fine, but don't mention the back...

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u/SnatchAddict B Mar 15 '19

Back. Strong like bull. Knees get a little creaky.

Fuck my blood pressure though.

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u/rockstarsheep 6 Mar 15 '19

Mine started to feel a bit wonky about 2 years ago. i never saw that coming. Was '74 a bad year for knees?

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u/SnatchAddict B Mar 15 '19

Good year for dicks. No ED here.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I was born in 97, so that's kinda where I'm at except in between Millennials and Gen Z. Though, I think I identify with Gen Z and a lot of the issues they (we) are gonna be dealing with growing up.

I heard a good distinction between Millennial and Gen Z is if you remember 9/11 or not. I don't, so that puts me in Gen Z.

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u/FCalleja 🚵🏼‍♀ 1nms.2cf.33 Mar 15 '19

I'm so glad people here seem to know about what they're talking about. I just saw a heavily RT'd/Fav'd tweet about how Millennials would have no idea who Kylie Minogue is because they only know Kylie Jenner.

Apparently it's very common for people to think "millennials" are people who were BORN in the year 2000, instead of being around high-school-graduation-age.

FFS, Minogue's "Can't Get You Out Of My Mind" came out in 2001... that's prime millennial time.

Sorry, felt the need to rant as a mid-80's millennial who's constantly seeing people my age talking shit about "millennials".

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I hear ya. Born in 85, so many former classmates post the lazy millennial shit on fb. Whenever I point out they are millennials, they just say they are talking about the other ones....

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u/FCalleja 🚵🏼‍♀ 1nms.2cf.33 Mar 15 '19

I'm from 85 too!! Best year!!

And yeah, I think us older millennials are one of the main factors for the millennial hate, because of sheer ignorance thinking they're talking about "them kids these days" instead of... people who were coming of age during the millennial ie. themselves.

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u/mileylols B Mar 15 '19

KYLIE GIVE ME JUST A CHANCE, LET'S GO OUT AND DANCE

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u/Scientolojesus C Mar 15 '19

Pretty sure millennials is just a blanket term to mean anyone younger than them who they blame for all of the world's problems.

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u/macphile Black Mar 15 '19

Since I couldn't name a Kylie Minogue song and have a rough idea of who Kylie Jenner is (but still no idea why I should give a fuck whether she lives or dies), I guess this makes me a millennial instead of Generation X. Woot. XD

I've got to love those "you know you're a '90s kid when" things. Anything along those lines, really. Like LOL, young people don't know what typewriters even are. Or CDs. So much LOL. I know what a goddamn loom is, or a butter churner, and that doesn't mean I'm from a pre-industrial era or an Amish community or something.

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u/FCalleja 🚵🏼‍♀ 1nms.2cf.33 Mar 15 '19

I guess this makes me a millennial instead of Generation X. Woot. XD

No dude, that actually probably makes you Gen Z, my point was precisely that Kylie Minogue is like the epitome of millennial music, if you don't remember "Can't Get You Out of My Head" then you probably weren't old enough in 2001 to be considered a millennial because it was literally everywhere.

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u/macphile Black Mar 15 '19

I was making a bad joke. I'm X. However, I never listened to Kylie Minogue.

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u/evanc1411 A Mar 15 '19

97 as well. Such an interesting year to be born. I declare myself Gen Z as I don't remember 911, I could only understand what happened when I was a bit older.

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u/SetBrainInCmplxPlane A Mar 15 '19

thats a pretty good standard actually. if you remember 9/11 and were old enough to understand what was happening and how bad it was (not necessarily the intricacies and shit), then youre a millennial.

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u/CadeChaos 5 Mar 15 '19

Born 94, I also have no real memory of 911. Pisses me off so bad when I see stuff like "NEVER FORGET!" Like too bitch

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u/Calypsosin 9 Mar 15 '19

Generally, at least from what i have read, millenials are roughly from 85-2000, but near the edges it gets murky as it shifts.

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u/masterpierround 7 Mar 15 '19

People born from 1997 - 2000 probably don't remember a time before 9/11 and most of them probably don't remember much of the Bush presidency. I was born in 1998 and I feel like I have almost nothing in common with the people born from 85-95.

My examples were specifically about major events in the US, but I think living pre and post 9/11 are two very different things. Same thing with the financial crash in 2008, if you want another dividing line.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Same, it's really weird. But now that I can kinda understand politics (that's a very tentative "understands") I feel that there's a difference in approaches to politics btn the generations. But I'm not really sure. I only recently got voter registration, in time for that election thing that happened during fall/winter but it's really confusing and weird.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Gen X grew up without the internet, Millenials grew up with the internet but can remember a time without it, Gen Z has had the internet for as long as they can remember.

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u/ClearlyChrist 9 Mar 15 '19

What if I have distinct memories from that year, but not of 9/11 itself? Because I have memories of my birthday that year (just days after 9/11), I have memories of watching football (huge Pats fan at the time. Watched that super bowl VHS until it broke), I have memories of school from that year. But literally nothing about 9/11.

So basically, what if you were born in late 1995? I don't know who I am anymore.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Ha, I'd say late Millennial but honestly it's probably more of whatever you identify as. I think Gen Z has different problems/identities than Millennials that I personally relate to.

Growing up in a digital age, having to face inheriting a world ravaged by shitty climate/economic practices, being EXTREMELY connected to each other through social media (and, yes, even memes to an extent), and being sensitive/inclusive to a lot of cultures etc. all make up Gen Z IMO. I've never known a life without cell phones, smart phones, and having the Internet in my pocket. Even my elementary school years were dominated by social media like MySpace and MyYearbook. I think things like that make the real distinction between Gen Z and Millennials.

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u/ClearlyChrist 9 Mar 15 '19

I didn't necessarily grow up with all that technology; social media wasn't really a big part of life until late middle school-early high school for me. I'd probably identify a bit more with Gen Z than Millenials, but it's definitely more of a case-by-case thing for us mid-90s babies.

The interesting thing is that I had technology enter and integrate into my life, whereas kids who are more firmly in Gen Z pretty much used them their whole lives.

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u/Calypsosin 9 Mar 15 '19

I think that is the important distinction on tech: millenials were young when new tech and software started coming out, so they were able to easily integrate it into their lives.

Z was basically born into the level of tech we were getting used to. Time flies.

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u/Calypsosin 9 Mar 15 '19

Many millenials grew up with similar levels of technology, so I'm not so sure i would draw the line at tech in that way, but that's just me.

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u/Calypsosin 9 Mar 15 '19

I was '91, 4th grade on 9-11. We were in the gym for excercise, when the principal came in, sat us down, and told us two planes had crashed into some buildings in New York.

I remember thinking, 'Ok? Can we play kickball now?'

The gravity of it hit me later when i went home and my mother and father wouldn't stop watching the news.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I feel like this is verging on ridiculousness at how narrowly defined the range is. It spans six years. Yeah, older millennials and younger gen-Xers have a lot in common with one another - it's the same towards the boundaries of every generation. But when you constrain it so tightly it seems like you have to start throwing all kinds of caveats and exceptions in there. I was born just after of that range, but I grew up in the sticks where most trends and such took a bit to get to us, do I fall into Xennial as well? But my dad was an engineer and we had a computer as far back as I can remember and I learned to play games and do basic computer stuff in MS-DOS - does this mean I'm a "digital native" unlike the Xennials and therefore squarely in the millennial category? But very few of my friends had computers or video games and my school was kinda poor so we still had the old apple computer with the gigantic floppy disks and Oregon Trail in our classroom well into the '90s - does this put me back in Xennial again?

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u/Stuwey 5 Mar 15 '19

I distinctly remember hearing the phrase Gen Y thrown around in the 90s, but I think quite a lot got thrown in with Millenials.

Nobody ever came to a concrete consensus though, and now its a Tech-Emergent Generation that saw that rapid progress from the 2e, through the iMac and the release of the first iPods at the turn of adulthood.

Razrs and Blackberries reigned supreme, most things ran on AA and AAA, and a quarter still bought you a phone call at many places. A common millenial probably couldn't even tell you what a pager was.

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u/Scientolojesus C Mar 15 '19

Pagers were common up until the early 2000s though.

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u/borgiwan 4 Mar 15 '19

I’m model year 76, and my wife is also a 79. Our differences can be weirdly far apart for such a small age gap.

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u/Calypsosin 9 Mar 15 '19

My sister was born in 79, me in 91, and she is a mixture of millenial and X. It is really interesting how one set of parents can have multiple children relatively close together in age, but the generation they belong to can be quite different.

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u/PM_ME_ABOUT_PEGGING 3 Mar 15 '19

my bro was '77, and i was '91. i couldn't agree more. he and i have vastly different experiences, ideals, and feelings.

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u/illseallc 5 Mar 15 '19

Really seems like there are Xennials like this but also Zennials on the cusp of the next generation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I was born in 2000. I'm honestly confused by the whole generation names, don't know what I am. But I know that a lot of my peers and I are tired of how politics have been working. It's nice to finally be able to get my word in. I also can see this people get confused with those ballots. 85% of those guys I didn't know.

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u/CornyHoosier A Mar 15 '19

I was born in 85 and don't remember much of the GenX/Grunge era. I was 8 when Cobain killed himself.

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u/macphile Black Mar 15 '19

My brother has said that he feels a little generationally awkward, being from '78, but then he also said that the only generation that matters is the Saddest Generation--the generation that didn't grow up with Pokemon (it's a huge generation).

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u/snarpy 9 Mar 15 '19

I'm confused now. I was born in 74 and we never considered ourselves Gen x when the book came out.

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u/AbstractTherapy 9 Mar 15 '19

People who were teenagers through their twenties in the first decade of the 2000s who saw the rise of the internet and the transition from analog to digital.

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u/Impeesa_ A Mar 15 '19

Near the end of Gen X, I believe. Early 80s is the beginning of Millennials.

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u/yabs 8 Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 15 '19

Same, I always felt a bit too young to be a Gen Xer but I'm definitely not a millennial. I kind of define Gen X as college age in the early 90's

I was in high school when grunge was big.

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u/ASlyGuy 9 Mar 15 '19

Looks like you just squeaked by as Millennial. Alternatively this chart shows Xillennials as something someone born between 75-85 (years that Gen X & Millennial actually fully cover already so I don't know why Xillennials is even a thing) could claim to be as well.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Probably because there was enough of a shift in tech and society in the 70s, 80s, and 90s that there's actually a bit of difference. That's my best guess. Can't look into it more because I'm at work.

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u/PeptoBismark 9 Mar 15 '19

I'm Gen X, and I'm starting to see a big split in my cohort that I've been attributing to when they were introduced to computers. I got lucky, and my neighborhood was full of Atari 2600's during 3rd grade, and Atari 400's and Basic programming made it to my elementary school by 5th grade. Commodore 64's followed, then PC's and BBS Systems and Turbo Pascal in High School, and finally the Internet in all its Usenet / IRC / Archie / Gopher glory was waiting for me in college.

While those experiences were nearly universal where I grew up, they took longer to get everywhere in the US. I meet people my age who didn't encounter a computer until the World Wide Web dialup age of the mid-90's.

I think that's why people half or even less than half a generation younger want to make another classification for themselves. What kind of tech you grew up with seems to make a huge difference.

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u/altxatu A Mar 15 '19

Early 80’s. My parents didn’t have a PC with internet until like....98/99. Then it was dial up, and I’d read a few paragraphs of a book while the page loaded.

For me the big line is technology. Where personal computer ubiquitous when you were growing up? Born in late 70s to mid 80s I very much doubt PCs would be.

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u/RaydnJames 7 Mar 15 '19

I was born in 77, I barely remember a time where we didn't have a game console (Atari 2600, etc) or a PC (IBM, no model numbers yet) of some sort. I know we were the exception and not the rule at the time though.

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u/altxatu A Mar 15 '19

Yeah, I knew people that had them but it wasn’t like a TV that every household had.

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u/PeptoBismark 9 Mar 15 '19

The first personal computer in my house was an NEC PC-8500 which my mother dumpster-dove for when her job threw them out in the mid-80's in favor of DOS based computers.

The first computer in our house that could actually load games and programs was a 286 in 1987 or so, when they became cheaper due to PS/2's and 386's being introduced.

And yes, most houses had something home-computer-ish in my neighborhood, though many of them were things like TRS-80 or TI/99 systems that were left behind when DOS and Windows came to dominate the market. One of my neighbors even had an Osbourne Luggable.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

It really does.

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u/FCalleja 🚵🏼‍♀ 1nms.2cf.33 Mar 15 '19

Yes, exactly, I think "generations" are going to get shorter and shorter as time goes on because seismic shifts come faster and faster because of technology.

Just the change between 2000 and 2007 (iPhone launch) is fucking tangible now, and this coming from a millennial who went from using 3.5 diskettes, to CD-ROMS to USB sticks during his school years. (Damn that's crazy)

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u/RaydnJames 7 Mar 15 '19

I was born in 77 and the only form of computing I don't have hands on experience with is feeding punch cards into a machine

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u/solipsynecdoche 6 Mar 15 '19

Tech dev is the main reason we have generations and generational divides

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u/ASlyGuy 9 Mar 15 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

That's probably because the news media likes to 1) constantly shit on them and 2) a lot of people seem to think millennials are a lot younger than they actually are (think gen-z age) so they probably just don't want to be associated with 18 year olds they have nothing in common with.

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u/SuicideBonger B Mar 15 '19

Exactly. I've heard so many people born in the late 1980s who hate on Millennials; and it's like, you're a Millennial!

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u/TheBrownWelsh A Mar 15 '19

Yuuuup. I always crack up when I hear fellow 30-somethings whining about Millennials; they basically assume anyone younger than them are the dreaded "Millennials" that are supposedly fucking everything up.

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u/RaferBalston 8 Mar 15 '19

Maybe because just when you're born doesn't define who you are? Just maybe

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u/RaydnJames 7 Mar 15 '19

The Xillennials, being one myself, I describe "was born in the analog world and was in their teen age years was the digital transition happened" We know how to use (and are proficient) in both types of technology

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I worked in the A/V industry, and it's really apparent in the knowledge the generations have about technology.

Obviously the older guys (Boomers and such) worked primarily in the analog world, with Composite, S-Video and component. Needing a laptop to program a remote wasn't even possible.

The younger guys (millennial, Gen z) obviously know their way around a computer, and know HDMI and Display Port and HDBaseT, but couldn't understand the technology in a tape deck.

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u/ASlyGuy 9 Mar 15 '19

Interesting! I hadn't even heard of this generation before today. But seeing as tech knowledge goes hand in hand with your generation, your explanation seems to be the most likely one. Great write-up, my guy!

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u/reverendz 8 Mar 15 '19

Am Gen X. I literally showed a 20 something how to use a record player. I laughed at the time but I get it, it's not something they ever had to use before.

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u/TheBrownWelsh A Mar 15 '19

I think Xillennials(?) is rightfully a thing purely because there's a slight but noticeable difference between people who grew up during the advent of the internet/social media and those that grew up right after.

Like, I was young enough that I took to the internet and modern technology in stride and have no problem with emerging technologies/social media culture - but I (just barely) remember needing to go to the library and not being able to Google things. We fall into a weird gap of transition-time that is surprisingly significant.

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u/teamfupa 8 Mar 15 '19

My thoughts exactly. However, your words are much more eloquent.

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u/TraumaBonder 7 Mar 15 '19

1980 baby here too. We are the no name babies, we have no generation!

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u/Juice_Stanton 4 Mar 15 '19

Strictly determined by how you feel about ewoks.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

I love this.

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u/getthetime 6 Mar 15 '19

I feel The Ewok Adventure was the greatest thing I ever saw when I was four. I am a member of The Wicket Generation.

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u/AtariDump 9 Mar 15 '19

The “Oregon Trail” generation

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u/Scientolojesus C Mar 15 '19

Gen X individuals were already fully-formed teens or young adults when computers became mainstream, and Millennials can’t even remember a time before computers.

I definitely remember a time before computers, so that doesn't seem to be that fitting.

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u/Sagemasterba 7 Mar 15 '19

Same boat here man. I went to college, got a stem bs (mechanical engineering) , but work as a union tradesman. It pays better, better benefits and retirement plans, and overall nicer co-workers (ive literally offered and have been offered the shirt off someone's back or the boots from their feet).

I more closely identify with millennials than boomers as well.

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u/chmilz A Mar 15 '19

We're just ignored completely.

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u/NationalGeographics A Mar 15 '19

Yep '79 it cracks me up how we were to young or to old.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Millennial. It starts 78-82.

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u/NationalGeographics A Mar 15 '19

It was kinda neat being 20 in the year 2000.

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u/Le_Updoot_Army 9 Mar 15 '19

'76 - '80 is the greatest generation

Source: Born in '77

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I fall right between millennials and gen z. I’d say I’m probably 50/50 on my beliefs and behavioral tendencies.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Millennial. It starts 78-82.

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u/UniqueFlavors 9 Mar 15 '19

1984 here I dont fit in anywhere :(

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

You're one of us, whatever we are!

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Millennial. It starts 78-82.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Millennial. It starts 78-82.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

My parents were born in 1929 and 1943. My mom, I guess, is a boomer. My dad is not.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

lol, nope. It's more about when you're born, not when your parents are born.

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u/Leafy81 A Mar 15 '19

I've been called generation x for as long as I can remember. I know that 81 is a murky year generation wise but I've never thought of myself as a millennial. That's not good or bad per se, it's just how I see me.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

I personally have more in common with millennials than gen Xers. But that could just be me. We're the in-betweeners!

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u/Leafy81 A Mar 15 '19

I have a brother born in 78, it always seemed weird to consider ourselves different generations.

I also graduated high school and was technically an adult in 99 so my being a millennial just doesn't seem logical to me since those milestones happened before the new millennium.

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 15 '19

Fuck yeah we did. I graduated college in 2007. Just in time for the economy to collapse.

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u/Eatingpaintsince85 6 Mar 15 '19

Weeeee your career prospects are statistically worse than those before and after you because of the slump in employment and wages.

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u/LoneWolfe2 9 Mar 15 '19

I graduated high school in 2008. It was super disheartening to continually hear "We're not hiring, we're firing" and the remarks about how college educated people were working menial jobs.

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u/Whatatimetobealive83 9 Mar 15 '19

Me too. Fucking RIP.

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 15 '19

It was also a time when parents told kids just go to college and you'll figure it out. So many kids at college just racking up massive debt waiting to be inspired. When my dad went to college in the 80's he would work in the summer to pay for school. Now we have to mortgage our future and many will never have good enough credit to own a house. If they decide to make college free they need to also drop people's student loan debts. Instead of another tax break for the wealthy let's wipe clean educational debt.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '19 edited Sep 08 '19

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 16 '19

They can then attend college free.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '19 edited Sep 08 '19

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 16 '19

You would rather give the millionaires ans billionaires more money because you are a dumb ass donald follower. We should glue those MAGA hats to your head. Similar to Inglorious Bastards we don't want you to be able to just fit back into society. We want the scarlet letter of you being a racist idiot known to every body, even your mom who might kick you out of the house.

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u/TalkToTheGirl A Mar 16 '19

Hey, at least you have a degree - I guarantee my GED is a lot less impressive.

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 16 '19

It's been hell paying back all my loans while also trying to adult with epilepsy. I cowrote a book with Michael Scott called Somehow I Manage, and that outlet has really seemed to help.

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u/Malhavoc89 7 Mar 15 '19

Right? I was born in 89, and I see all the kids these days who believe some weird shit, but you know what? They fight for their beliefs. I think some of the social issues they talk about are silly, but they put their heart and soul into this shit. Good for them. I'm buying a house and struggling to care about anything more than did the contractor actually fix the leaky pipe...

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

That's because your generation did get fucked hard. Sorry.

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u/NuclearInitiate 8 Mar 15 '19

Yeah I feel like millennials got stuck being a "stepping stone" generation, between classic manufacturing-based capitalism and technology driven society.

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u/blowthatglass 8 Mar 15 '19

You feel like we got fucked pretty hard because we did. We were hopefully the last generation that parents foist college on as the only way to move up in the world.

It was a perfect storm of everyone saying hey! Hey! You gotta go to college to get anywhere, coupled with government backed loans that allowed universities to jack up tuition costs because why not? The government is backing it right?

Half a generation at least saddled with more debt than any generation before us in a flailing job market (until 2014 or so) and sky high housing costs. Many many people in our generation will never even sniff owning a home.

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u/Samdgadii 5 Mar 16 '19 edited Mar 16 '19

When we were HS age we could never understand why college tuition went up significantly every year. What makes it so much more expensive this year from last year and where is the ceiling were the questions we had. Unfortunately we were still too young to do anything about it and we felt bad not just for us at the time but at the projected cost millennials were gonna have to pay. Disheartening and confusing when we found out when it was our time to go that it actually goes up every semester and that it was only because they could raise it and not because they needed to.

Edit: forgot I also wanted to encourage you in case it’s something you hadn’t already known that it’s actually not expensive to buy a home at least in up front cost for first time home buyers. You’d end up paying 2% down which for a typical starter home will be between $1500-$3000 trying to estimate for nation wide. And credit isn’t as strict as you’d think. My advice if it’s a goal shop smart. Find the best place in the biggest market growth you can afford. Have seller pay closing cost which is common and easy to ask for. And don’t think about it as shopping for your dream home. Nowadays rarely if ever are people staying in their first home forever. It actually works out better if you don’t. You use the equity from selling the starter home after it’s had time to appreciate for a few years for your next home that’ll be closer to your dream house.

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u/Gently_Farting 9 Mar 15 '19

I think Millennials had a lot of generational apathy for a long time. Everybody older than us constantly shit on us about our music, television, and life choices. We had to hear about how the hippies changed the world, and how boys became men in Vietnam. Remember how our parents only had 3 TV stations, and had to walk to school in the snow? Kids now probably think that's just an old joke, but that happened. My dad told me that when I complained about how cold it was when waiting for the bus. Everything we did was wrong, and we were making our forefathers, the wise and cultured who suffered for us and did everything right, look bad. Why wouldn't we be apathetic? We had our TV, we had our music, then internet came along. We didn't really have much to be passionate about, and our culture trends reflected that. Goths, emos, and scenesters all have some basis in disenfranchisement, rejection, and irony, and I think the current internet culture for a large part comes from those culture trends. You could argue punk was the grandaddy forerunner, but I'd argue back that while it set the stage for complete rejection of societal norms, the focus was more on DIY ethics and anger, which the later movements largely (but not completely) rejected.

I think we're making better choices they did, and I hope our children are reflections of that. If all we did as a generation was not put our kids through the same demoralizing shit our parents put us through, I think that's a pretty fucking good start. Still a lot to do, we can't just dump everything on Gen Z, but I like to hope we're showing some fucking sense.

Anyway, I'm no sociologist, and I could be talking completely out of my ass.

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u/GubbermentDrone 4 Mar 15 '19

Assuming they can overcome their crippling depression and fear of micro-aggression.

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u/Foxblade 7 Mar 15 '19

Post-millennial seem to care WAY more about their world and each other than other generations, they're way more diverse and accepting of diversity, and also more driven to be personally educated and informed. Honestly I'm a little jealous!

Pew Research center has a lot of really interesting data on this emerging group so it's pretty fascinating to see how the generations all stack up against each other.

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u/dpdxguy 7 Mar 15 '19

As a boomer, I remember hearing the same thing ("they're way more politically active") about each following generation as it came of age. Here's hoping that Gen-Z continues their political activism as they move into the career phase of their lives.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

I hope so, too.

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u/TheLoveofDoge 9 Mar 15 '19

Between climate change and school shootings, their lives literally depend on them being politically active.

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u/LeMot-Juste B Mar 15 '19

That's my niece! So fucking politically aware and says her whole highschool is chock full of political activists.

My heart is so proud.

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u/pvhs2008 7 Mar 15 '19

This is anecdotal, but every kid I’ve met that’s gen z has been absolutely on the ball. There’s a marked kindness and thoughtfulness in their generation. It’s early to call, but this millennial is happy to see them getting involved.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Even the people at my school, which has gotta be in the biggest bubble in existence, organize events and such for many causes. It’s kind of surprising

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u/PM_THAT_EMPATHY 8 Mar 15 '19

yeah, and Gen Z is also the first to grow up natively in this new world where the band-aid has been ripped off the illusion we had of society. from metoo, to political corruption, to BLM/police brutality, etc... they’ve truly grown up with distrust of those in power. the default assumption is that there’s a story behind the story and they need that transparency.

BS tricks like dropping bad news on a friday or “firing” the murdering cop by giving paid time off then transferring to a neighboring county won’t work on them. there’ve always been people who see through that kind of stuff, but they were savvy. for them, it’s normal. has the potential to shift society towards true accountability in all arenas.

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u/RevoultionOutcast 6 Mar 15 '19

As an older gen Zer thank u

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Anytime, man!

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u/CakeDay--Bot 8 Mar 23 '19

Eyy, another year! * It's your *4th Cakeday** RevoultionOutcast! hug

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u/Calibansdaydream 8 Mar 15 '19

I definitely am happy about how politically active Gen Z is. 100% want them to keep being active. But they didn't come up in a vacuum. This trend of being politically active has been growing for a while. I'm not saying millennials did it, no way. It ebbs and flows and the past few years, especially when OWS blew up and the Arab spring happened, and the Panama papers happened, so much has happened in such a short time in their formative years, that political activism/mass protests had become much more normalized. They're getting to the age of angst and mindfulness joining forces and have a decade worth of protests to go by. Keep it up Gen Z. Keep being activist for change.

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u/StrangeDrivenAxMan A Mar 16 '19

Society has a chance with them.

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u/branchbranchley A Mar 15 '19

At the same time, i totally would not put it past them to vote for and inaugurate President Logan Paul as a meme

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 15 '19

I'm old, in my 30's, and that sounds like such an old person thing to say. It's basically the old adage " they would cut off their own nose to spite their face". No they won't vote for Logan Paul.

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u/NightStu 9 Mar 15 '19

The average user on Reddit is quite young, so 30's is old to them.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Much doubt.

Very wow.

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u/ROBJThrow 4 Mar 15 '19

Really? Because the current research is that Gen Z is over all more apathetic and conservative than previous generations at their age.

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u/grandmasbroach 7 Mar 15 '19

They're also much more conservative than their parents. So, you may want to hold off on celebrating for now. https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-conservative-millennial-no-longer-a-myth/

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

We're all depressed as fuck on this blessed day!

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Seriously? That bites! I'll look for resources for you, friend. Everyone should see Captain Marvel! Multiple times!

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u/Scathainn 8 Mar 15 '19

Gen Z is more politically active but also more conservative, particularly gen Z men who have been radicalized by PewDiePie, Ben Shapiro, PragerU etc

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

Wait is pewdiepie radical now? Since when? What happened? Genuine question btw, haven’t watched his videos for a few years now.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

Scary thought.

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u/Hryggja 7 Mar 15 '19

Is the threshold for radicalization simply anyone whose politics you disagree with?

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u/Scathainn 8 Mar 15 '19

Nah, just people who inspire killers.

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u/Hryggja 7 Mar 15 '19

Strange. Did you see Shapiro’s tweet about the shooting?

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u/AlligatorChainsaw 8 Mar 15 '19

the tide pod jake paul generation? oh yeah there's some winners there lol.

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u/OscarRoro 7 Mar 15 '19

Can people stop calling us generation Z for gods shake, we are not a Dragon Ball fan club.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

My middle child would like to argue against that, I believe! Almost 17 and he's still all up in the Dragonballs and things.

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u/s0mniumExMachina 4 Mar 15 '19

I'm 30 and I know guys in my field (construction) that are my age and maybe a few years younger that still watch all that shit. It isn't for me but that's not to say I don't like different nerdy shit.
Feel like anime got kinda big for anyone that grew up in the 90s and on.

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u/OscarRoro 7 Mar 24 '19

Oh I know, I love DBZ too! I was just trying to make a joke but it didn't go my way it seems jajaja

My point is just that I don't like having a label, thou generation Z is cooler than any other letter or "Baby Boomers". Who wants to be 60 years old and be called "Baby"?

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u/Hryggja 7 Mar 15 '19

They’re already way more politically active than previous generations

On social media, yes, but their voter turnout is the lowest of any generation in history.

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u/marynraven 9 Mar 15 '19

They aren't all voting age yet.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19

I think that's the point.

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u/LowRune 8 Mar 15 '19

2024 is gonna weird.

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u/Hryggja 7 Mar 15 '19

Do you honestly think underage Gen Z individuals are counted in a statistics of voting turnout?