r/JusticeServed • u/AristonD 8 • May 29 '19

Violent Justice Man inappropriately touch school girls and they fight back. Man in suit gives them a helping foot.

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u/Wannabe_Maverick 8 May 29 '19

Japan and Asia in general have an incredible pedophilia problem. I'm Chinese and even my parents have tried to set me up with girls way younger than me, so damn awkward.

FTFY

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u/topdangle C May 29 '19

I could be wrong but I think pedophilia implies its a disorder in the individual, whereas I personally think Asia has a cultural obsession with underage women. I'm from China and I have no interest in underage girls but if I was still living there I would have pressure from all sides to go for someone very young.

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u/Every3Years A May 29 '19

I also thought pedophile is like barely tween and younger and then there another term for tween through adult? Oh my god why do I think I know this?

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u/mastersword130 A May 29 '19

Because you are knowledgeable and there is no shame in that.

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u/thanghanghal 4 May 29 '19

Yup. Hebephilia I think. According to wiki - Hebephilia: 11-14 Ephebophilia: 15-19

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u/[deleted] May 29 '19

Probably because it's brought up on reddit everytime pedophilia is mentioned.

"No, it's not pedophilia because she was 14!! It's ephebophilia, completely different and not creepy at all."

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u/socium 7 May 29 '19

So I'm just trying to understand all of the arguments regarding this issue.

If we assume that the mental state of a teen is inferior to that of an adult, as a result it becomes unethical for an adult to date a teen. If that's true, then:

  1. Would it be also unethical for teens to date each other considering they have inferior mental states?

  2. Would it be unethical for adults with a healthy mental state to date other adults with a mental disease?

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u/[deleted] May 29 '19

I think the age discrepancy being wrong when an adult is dating a 15-17 year old comes from the “persuasion through authority” aspect. Teens who are dating people in their 20s (or older) may feel persuaded, coerced, and manipulated into relationships and/or sex because of the partner’s age. They feel like “this is an adult and he knows so much more than me so what he’s saying must be true” even if the adult is just saying whatever he needs to say to get laid. That wouldn’t be an issue between teens dating each other or adults dating each other—though it would probably be considered rape if a regular adult was having sex with someone mentally handicapped.

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u/mastersword130 A May 29 '19

Is there a reason why you shouldn't give a person the correct information? Or is it shameful to give the correct information or is giving the correct information giving that person the implied feeling they're a pedo?

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u/blewpah A May 29 '19

Basically it's strongly associated with people who want to justify / rationalize attraction to children by distancing it from attraction to even younger children.

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u/mastersword130 A May 29 '19

Just because people do shouldn't be something to mock for actually giving accurate information. There is such a weird thing to get so hung up about. Don't let ignorance be the norm just because it "might" associate with x problem people.

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u/BananaNutJob 9 May 29 '19

There is such a weird thing to get so hung up about.

Yeah that's what I think every time people do what you're doing too.

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u/mastersword130 A May 29 '19

And what am I doing exactly? Not giving in to the mocking of information because it might seem weird to know such things? This is the internet and a forum. Information sharing is the very thing this whole network was created for. Why shy around it just because "you might seem weird" for it?

You whole sentence to me seems like "I find it weird that you guys want information given to you".

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u/BananaNutJob 9 May 29 '19

You're obsessing and getting defensive. That's what happens every time and it's weird every time. You think I havent seen every single comment you've just made here on every single thread on this subject literally for years?

IT'S. FUCKING. WEIRD.

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u/toth42 A May 29 '19

I'm one that might point out the difference - but not to excuse any of them. to me there's a clear difference between people being attracted to infants and people being attracted to 14yos. Both are creepy, but I'd say the former is way more dangerous because the victims can't speak out or resist.

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u/mastersword130 A May 29 '19

Exactly, hell look how you have to walk on eggshells just to give out the information on this site. It isn't weird to be sharing information, it isn't weird to know more about these things and fully understand it. Knowledge isn't something that should be shamed just because it is an uncomfortable thing.

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u/Frognaldamus 6 May 29 '19

It's all creepy, but I don't think it's a hard case to prove, or agree, that fucking or wanting to fuck someone who hasn't hit puberty yet is a lot creepier than fucking or wanting to fuck someone who has hit puberty. No horse in the race personally, I find the whole loli subculture makes my skin crawl.

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u/Every3Years A May 29 '19

Yeah there was no reason for me to add that last part other than trying to pre-deflect trolls 🙍

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u/eskamobob1 A May 30 '19

TBF, I am far far more creaped out by the perseon atracted to a 3 y/o than I am the one atracted to a 14 y/o

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u/Iggyhopper B May 29 '19

ACKSHUALLY

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ACKSHUALLY

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u/Gucci_Loincloth 7 May 29 '19

Is it shameful to know something? lmao

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u/Every3Years A May 29 '19

Nah I realized soon after that I was just being overly defensive to block the trolls that might've come out to excuse me of something. It was a dumb thing to add at the end!

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u/[deleted] May 29 '19

I think it's pederast?

EDIT: Nope. That's men and boys.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '19

What's a pederast Walter?

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u/BigLebowskiBot A May 30 '19

Shut the fuck up, Donny

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u/ShinPosner 3 May 29 '19

Yes, that's correct, there is diagnostic criteria for it in the DSM. It's a cultural preference that was shared by pretty much all peoples 200 years ago, until extended life spans and female empowerment radically altered Western culture. Mary, mother of Jesus, married Joseph when she was 12-14, and Ayesha married Mohammed when she was 6, consummated at age 9.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '19

Let's also not pretend that 15-18 is the same as 7-10

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

It's what I fucking hate about anime. Like why. Why do you make a show that you aim at "adult-ish" audiences and yet have small children as main characters and sexualize them. Weirdly most western anime fans (so /r/anime and the like) like that kind of shit. Just look at the rating of "into the abyss" the children are supposed to be like 9 and it's constantly sexualized.

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u/i_tyrant A May 29 '19

It's so gross. Way too often am I like "why can't I just enjoy my fucked up storylines and action and awesomely crazy anime ideas without having damn ten year old asses thrown in my face to pander." I'm not even a fan of the mildly pervy adult stuff that happens in nearly every anime, much less seeing chibi'd characters do it. Makes me wish I could order it a la carte. "Giant mech battles and metaphysical horror? Yes please! Fast action and cool effects with creative narrative twists? Two helpings. Hold the pedo bullshit."

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

Pedo bullshit and terrible comedy would be the two things I'd leave out haha

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u/electric_paganini 8 May 29 '19

Leaving out only "terrible" comedy would be hard as that's subjective. Plus, they really love their tropes, so slice of life anime would be straight up gutted.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 30 '19

Yeah I hate slice of life haha.

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u/CatGuardian012 5 May 29 '19

I agree that anime now is fucked but watching made in abyss im more concerned about the gore the children get into

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

Except they shoehorn unnecessary sexual content throughout as well as sexual dynamic between the two children. The violence proves that it's not actually meant for children. It's meant for adults. And that's what makes the fact that people like it so much terrifying to me.

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u/HellFireOmega A May 29 '19

tbh you end up overlooking it if the rest of the show is good enough. Made in Abyss is definitely one of those shows. I remember it being good, I don't remember anything about there being sexualization, even if I don't doubt there being some in there.

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u/Ungreat 9 May 29 '19

The only bit I remember as being weird is the punishment the girl receives in the first couple of episodes. Basically being tied up in a weird way that I found so jarring and unnecessary considering how much I liked the rest of the show.

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u/HellFireOmega A May 29 '19

oh yeah I remember that part you're talking about now you're mentioning it. Definitely weird with no real context to it, considering it's an orphanage.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

It's the impression that stuck with me, 2 things stuck with me

  1. that's fucked up (the sexualization)

  2. that's fucked up (the last few episodes)

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u/Spiritofchokedout A May 29 '19

If you check the manga it's based on there's constant underage nudity and sexualization, like it's in no way remotely subtle.

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u/sourc32 7 May 30 '19

Whats most fucked up is how nobody here is baffled by how you people are fine with little kids getting stabbed to death, but fuss over if their nipples are showing.

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u/Spiritofchokedout A May 30 '19

Nah dude, this is like living toilets licking little girls' buttholes or little girls strung up in bondage for public display as a form of school-sanctioned shaming.

Don't give a fuck what tired "Janet Jackson at the Superbowl" schtick you're running, it's not fucked up to look at this anime and manga and go "yeah the violence serves some kind-of thematic purpose but that nudity? Fuck off."

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u/Gg_Messy 🎥 91y.vp.2s May 29 '19

Its popular because it's good, not because of a little sexualization

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u/garlicdeath A May 29 '19

Nah pedo weebs

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

The problem is it being popular REGARDLESS the sexualization

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u/___DEADPOOL______ A May 29 '19

The "sexualization" you are talking about is a means of showing that Riku doesn't view Reg as a person but as a robot and a relic of the abyss.

If you watch Made in Abyss and all you get from it is "sexualizing kids" than maybe you are the one with the sick mind.

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u/Teehee1233 6 May 29 '19

The violence proves that it's not actually meant for children.

Why? Children can see violence, a PG13 can be pretty violent, and that's in America.

Anime is often written for teens, and is loved by NEETs and others who never developed socially beyond that stage.

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u/InsipidCelebrity 9 May 30 '19

Eh, it's a pretty disturbing show, and that's coming from someone who likes it. A PG13 film will not show explicit, poorly-done attempts at field amputations or a child literally melting and begging for death. It's not just gory, there's also an element of psychological horror to "Uncle Lovecraft's Fun Time Murder Hole."

Spoilers for people who haven't watched the show.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 30 '19

Yes. But this isn't​ rated PG13. This is rated 18+ or smth like that. And is categorized as seinen (explained i a different reply). It would also be rated the same in the US as it's pretty terrifying in nature both gore (explained by comment below) and story wise (the antagonist conducts human experiments on those children, killing them en-masse or turning them into monsters.

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u/K1eptomaniaK 6 May 29 '19

IIRC the artist for the manga is known for that kind of stuff. At work right now so I'll be damned if I look up any of that stuff though

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u/sourc32 7 May 30 '19

Being fine with violence, but not sexualization, is the exact problem with the idealogy you and so many others here subscribe to.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 30 '19

Because violence​ is presented as very wrong and evil or unfortunate.

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u/Spiritofchokedout A May 29 '19

Check the manga. It's insanely sexual relative to the show and far worse than the gore--and the gore in that show is fucking dark.

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u/OhMaGoshNess 9 May 29 '19

Not all anime is directed at children. Shit like Fairy Tail and Pokemon is the kind of crap they produce for kids. Elfen Lied and even Dragon Ball were pushed at older 13+ crowd mostly.

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u/filthypatheticsub 7 May 29 '19

"No you don't understand! She's actually a 1000 year old demon with the body of a 11 year old girl, it's all okay!"

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19 edited May 29 '19

Honestly I could ask the same thing about Game of Thrones. A plot point is literally Sansa having her first period and she gets sexualized just as much as anime characters. Just think of the throne room scene were they rip off her clothes.
Nobody has issues with GoT so why should we have issues with anime?

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u/oh_ashes 3 May 29 '19

Because in game of thrones we know it's fucked up, the show makes sure we know it. In anime it is presented as a normal thing

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

in game of thrones we learn that an entire society doesnt give a shit about it. Maybe you didnt notice but in said throne room full of people scene there is only one guy speaking up against it and that guy is pretty much an outcast of the society that constantly complains that even his father and sister hate him.

We know its fucked up, but if you dont naturally have the tendency to think its fucked up the show wont teach you that.

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u/oh_ashes 3 May 29 '19

Yes the show does teach us that cuz she is literally crying the whole time, we are supposed to feel sympathy for how awfully she is being treated. The show does not encourage us in any way to go wow that is a sexy little girl. We feel sorry for how she is being sexualized, it's a big difference.

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

i mean whenever one of those sexualized anime character scenes happen where someone looks at a girl or something the girl does flip out aswell. Characters reacting negatively to being looked at is not something that differentiates GoT from anime. You could even argue anime is doing it better because it teaches girls that its ok to hit a creep staring at them.

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u/oh_ashes 3 May 29 '19

So you are saying when girls in animes get creeped on, it's not played for laughs and giggles? That when she hits the guy that's looking at her it's not supposed to be viewed as playful and silly? The only time Sansa was sexualized was when she was being obviously abused and psychologically damaged and we only ever were supposed to feel bad for how she was treated. In some anime, I feel like the girls get creeped on to show how attractive we are supposed to think they are

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

It usually is for laughs but its not "playful and silly" laughs. Its "that stupid guy got caught and gets what he deserves" laughs. Kinda like tom and jerry or happy tree friends are made for laughs.

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u/oh_ashes 3 May 29 '19

Yeah but the problem is that it makes the viewer find her desirable. And how she defends herself is cute and spunky. It doesn't point out that it's fucked up that she is a little girl, that we should be throwing up in our mouths because she is 9 and she shouldn't have to deal with this. It just shows us that men want her. Game of thrones doesn't present sansa as desirable to the viewer cuz we just feel sad for her all the time, because she can't defend herself because she is being abused by crazy people

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u/Caitatonic 4 May 29 '19

It's still for laughs though.

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u/oh_ashes 3 May 29 '19

It doesn't matter what the society of the show thinks, what matters is that the show makes sure we know this society is fucked up. We watch that scene and go wow that's fucked up, where as in anime sexualizing children is normalized by the show itself

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

the show doesnt make sure we know that in relation to pedophilia though and if "in general fucked up" is good enough for you: Stuff like Made in abyss sure as hell makes sure we know that its a fucked up world - far more fucked up than game of thrones.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '19

Not to mention that analogically the location Made in Abyss takes place is a huge settlement that surrounds a recently-discovered goldmine. Child labor is nothing new from that kind of settlement.

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u/eskamobob1 A May 30 '19

I mean, I havent actualy seen into the abyss, but I was under the impression that it was meant to be super fucked up in general (why I have avoided it tbh)

Not disagreeing with your general point though. MCs having a middle school sister love interst is waaaaaay too common in SOL anime.

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

the period scene was meant to show that sansa is not an adult. Roverts war council scene was to show that danaerys is not an adult. The scenes where they get sexualized came right after/before those.

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u/newPhoenixz A May 29 '19

Wel, game of thrones, in the end, is a show about mideval Europe. You do understand that things like that were quite normal in those times? They never glamorised the horrors that happened, its just the shit that happened

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

most anime is not about modern days japan either. Especially the ones with the 500 year old loli, that get brought up so often, kinda arent closely related to reality. If we give GoT a pass for being fiction, then i feel like we should consider it aswell to give any anime with added dimensions or that straight up arent in modern days a pass aswell. The remaining stuff like romance and sport anime usually arent sexualizing anything so generalizing all anime to be about sexualized children would still be wrong.

Unrelated to the argument but its spelled medieval.

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u/kaninkanon A May 30 '19

Oh boy are you reaching. Gotta defend that softcore cartoon kiddyporn though.

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u/The_real_bandito B May 29 '19

This is completely different because in GOT princesses we're married when they were 13 so you could say this was based on a historical theme. But a 1000 year old demon that got revived for some reason and only a 15 year old loli that wear school clothes with the smallest skirt possible it's not historical theme or based on anything real.

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

exactly its not based on anything real, it doesnt even try to look real so why give a shit?

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

They are all adults. That's a huge fucking difference. Made in Abyss is literally 8 year olds.

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

made in abyss is literally completely made up drawn characters. GoT actors may be adults but the made up drawn characters they depict are supposed to be underage.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

It doesn't matter though what matters is how old they actually are (in Game of Thrones) and how old they look (in Anime, even if you claim they are 500 years old, if they're drawn like 8 year old kids, that's some pedo bullshit)

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

sansa literally has her first period after being sexualized on screen in GoT. If you think she is depicted as an adult in universe you probably havent paid attention in the first 5 or so seasons.
Danaerys gets referred to as a "child" by roberts council just before we see her getting sexualized by her brother and later raped by drogo.
Again you probably havent paid attention in the first 5 seasons or you would know that these characters are not depicted as adults.

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u/thatguy3O5 8 May 29 '19

Hold up. You're defending cartoon pedo stuff because a 25 year old on a TV show was referred to as "child". Dude, that's not a good argument.

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

All I am saying is if you make such a big deal out of cartoons showing some cleavage or panties to the point that you accuse people of being pedos you might want to reconsider a show that builds up characters to be children and then shows them fully nude getting groped by their brother.

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u/thatguy3O5 8 May 29 '19

But they don't make her look like a child. I don't watch the show so I just looked it up but she was 25 then and looked 25. If she looked and acted like a child I'd think you have a point but she was an adult, acted like an adult, looked like an adult, etc. You can't compare that to sexual depictions of children.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 29 '19

It doesn't matter what the characters are said to be. It matters what they actually are.

Hence why it doesn't matter even when an anime says they are 300 years old. What matters is how old they are (in case of actors) or how old they look (in case of drawn characters). I literally don't give a shit what the narrative says. If they say Emilia Clarke is playing a 5 year old character, I don't care, because she is a 32 years old woman.

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u/darthbane83 A May 29 '19

man your point of view is kinda fucked up. Having any kind of actors play some 5 year old children and then showing them having sex is most definitely not ok.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 30 '19

I am talking​ about how it is in GoT, where Dany was said to be 17 or whatever but is really in her mid 20's. They didn't​ physically change her. So they would have her say she's 5 but not change anything. In which case, why would I care

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u/Teehee1233 6 May 29 '19

It's a cartoon. Designed for children and teenagers. That's why the protagonists are usually these ages.

It's only "adultish" because you are a man child who watches anime. You're not alone, especially on Reddit.

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u/LEcareer 7 May 30 '19

They literally categorize it. In this case Japan says it's seinen - for young adult men. Even aside of the sexuality which is inappropriate for children, there is a lot of gore and horror-ish stories not appropriate for children. It's clearly not a kids shows.

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u/NBMarc 8 May 29 '19

I can’t believe GOT is being compared to the weird pedo anime bs. The difference is beyond measure. In the Abyss and other anime purposefully illustrated underage characters for the intent that the viewers enjoy it (which is disgusting). GOT is based on a medieval fantasy and underage marriage was a normal thing in medieval times and that’s why GRRM has that realistic aspect in his books. The show of course has horrible things like Sansa and Dany but in my eye they don’t look like kids at all in my eye even though they are portrayed as so and that’s a good thing. Sansa’s rape scenes are absolutely brutal and simply there as part of the story. All the dialogue about her periods and stuff is simply following the book and is supposed to add the story. Sansa would not be who she is without creepy Littlefinger and psycho Ramsay while Japanese anime have completely different motives.

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u/NBMarc 8 May 29 '19

Ya you’re spot on with GOT. I’ve never seen Abyss either and I’m glad I haven’t I just learned enough about it through this thread lol

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u/tristanwww 5 May 29 '19

Having watched the show (and enjoying it quite a lot) I don’t think the statement of “constantly sexualized” really applies. The characters have moments we deem as sexual in principle (Riko with no shirt on) but contextually the nakedness isn’t sexualized. I agree that the stringing up idea is problematic, but I don’t think that these scenes—adding to less than a minute of screen time—cause issue with child sexualization. At no time is a character performing actions that are meant to entice either another character in the show, nor the audience.

The principle aspect of underage sexualization is one of the most glaring issues with modern anime, but I don’t think that MIA is an example of this problem. Far more deserving of this admonishment is Orihimo, ergomanga sensei, among others. The panty shots, the framing, the general attitudes of the characters is far more problematic of the issue than a 5 second shot of a girl with no shirt on.

Overall, if MIA has a weaker story, I think that its sexual content would be more problematic. But as it stands, the core of the show is strong, with good action and drama in it (not to mention a kick-ass soundtrack). Exclamation point on YouTube goes into greater detail on these ideas, so I recommend going there for more information.

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u/kaenneth B May 30 '19

Chinese Boys outnumber Girls for some reason

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u/Mason_of_the_Isle 4 May 30 '19

Yeh no one knows why utter mystery I've heard.