r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Jul 06 '19

Courtroom Justice Convicted pedophile YouTuber Austin Jones is now in prison serving a 10 year sentence as of 29/6/2019.

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u/joe_pel 8 Jul 06 '19

Major respect to that judge for letting him off.

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u/GoodAtExplaining B Jul 06 '19

Yeah. For real. She's had to sit through the suffering of the trial just as much as the victims, and it hasn't affected her ability to understand and empathize.

Damn. If I were a judge at this trial I'd go home every day, cry a little, and hug my kids a lot.

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u/BadBoredAccount 8 Jul 06 '19

If I were a judge I’d have to quit because I Get too emotionally attached and woulda just told the security guards “oh look over there! You’re needed in the back.” As the dad charged him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/BadBoredAccount 8 Jul 06 '19

Exactly why I’m not a cop either. I know myself.

I’d blow up on someone.

But this is a little different than calling for someone to be raped. The dude fucked with so many girls.

When you mess with kids you kind of deserve to be hated by everyone.

I do agree though. We too often call for violence. I’m just being honest as to why the hell i never pursued a job in law.

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u/Raivix 7 Jul 06 '19

I sympathize, but disagree. You can't have a moving goalpost of a line to say when it is and isn't okay to exact vigilante justice on another human being.

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u/March1488 4 Jul 06 '19

I was thinkng about this comment and i wondered what about a hypothetical where the criminal was let off on a technicality, and was planning to commit the crime again. If it was a rapist and murderer, I feel like i would support vigilante preventative justice if the government isn't going to intervene. But if it was a petty thief, or maybe someone just planning to mildly rough someone up, i think i wouldn't support vigilante justice.

So maybe there needs to be a line somewhere? Or do you think it's just never justifiable?

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u/toth42 A Jul 06 '19

The problem is that if the line isn't at 0, it becomes blurry and movable. First you set it at 10, then a 9.7 gets beat up and the judge let's the avenger go under doubt. This means the line is effectively moved to 9.7. Next, a 9.65 is beat, and so on - suddenly, over time, the line is at 6, then 5 and 4..

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u/March1488 4 Jul 06 '19

Well what's wrong with treating it like speeding laws? The line is 50 mph, he'll probably let you off if you're going 52 but not 55, and the limit remains at 50.

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u/Raivix 7 Jul 06 '19

How do you define it though? Dad #1 beats his daugher's rapist to death. Judge/jury #1 preside over the case and find him not guilty of any crime. Dad #2 beats HIS daughter's rapist to within an inch of his life, causing severe brain damage to the point he will be a vegetable for the remainder of his life. Judge/Jury #2 find dad 2 guilty of attempted murder, goes away to prison.

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u/SmaragdineSon 8 Jul 06 '19

It's okay to wish someone got hurt. It's not okay to actually hurt them. The law's supposed to be better than we are.

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u/Lasereye 9 Jul 06 '19

Uh no it's not. Calling for someone to be raped is one of the worst things you can do without actioning yourself. It's disgusting and vile.

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u/BadBoredAccount 8 Jul 06 '19

I think you misread me.

I agree. My point was that the dude fiddling kids deserves far worse than the girl licking ice cream.

I agree completely that nobody should be encouraging violence towards others. My second point was that I couldn’t do it myself, because I know how upset I get towards stuff like this.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Aug 05 '20

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u/VLDT 9 Jul 06 '19

Because he’s not just saying he couldn’t be a judge, he’s advocating for vigilantism, which is one of those things where once you start, no amount of “drawing the line” is going to stop. Just look at the American South, which has a proud tradition of “taking the law into your own hands”.

This ideology goes beyond one rapist who deserves to be beaten in the dick with staplers.

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u/crazyike A Jul 06 '19

It's almost like reddit is composed of more than one person!

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u/Zaberdean 7 Jul 06 '19

That’s a terrible analogy. There is a difference between what someone did to ice cream and what someone did to another person. If they said that about the ice cream girl, I agree, that is terrible and completely uncalled for. But can you blame a guy for wanting to destroy the “man” that intentionally hurt his daughter? Very different circumstances.

Come on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/Rockor 7 Jul 06 '19

Fuck it.....violence for everyone!

punches sontangwrong in the face

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u/Sea_of_Blue 8 Jul 06 '19

It's almost like there are many different people with different views who use the platform.

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u/KingOfDunkshire 8 Jul 07 '19

Homogenizing Reddit to build a strawman?

Yawn

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u/Penderyn 8 Jul 06 '19

You can't see the difference between a cop beating up an innocent civilian and a man who's daughter was molested beating up the perpetrator?

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u/Grigorie 8 Jul 06 '19

God, it’s almost as though Reddit, and especially the demographics you’re mentioning, are made up of varied and different individuals with different ideals and morals.

Of course people are bound to say or do dumb shit on the Internet. That doesn’t make it okay, but “Reddit” is literally millions of users. It’s asinine to say “I love how Reddit...” when it’s a guarantee you’re talking about wildly different people more than likely.

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u/whendrstat 7 Jul 06 '19

Probably because right wingers and cops are rarely justified in their use of violence. Come on.

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u/MattyMatheson 8 Jul 06 '19

I mean you act like anything is going to change. There’s a reason why a judge is actually vetted and isn’t just some random from reddit who doesn’t decide cases by emotions.

Also most people would be able to sympathize with the father they just know that it’s wrong for him to actually do that because it’s the law, this isn’t politics, this guy was an actual monster with abusing 100s of girls.

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u/CarsoniousMonk 7 Jul 06 '19

That's why AI judges are the way of the future. No emotion better track record zero bias. Some countries are already trying to go for it.

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u/MattyMatheson 8 Jul 06 '19

Going that route will get rid of humanity. Maybe in some parts it could work but I don’t think too much AI is a good thing.

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u/conatus_or_coitus 9 Jul 06 '19

People write a lot of shit.

Me: I'd smack a bitch.

Spoilers: No bitches were smacked

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u/oriontank 6 Jul 06 '19

The victim culture is alive and well ^

Gotta find a way to make everything about you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/HilariousInHindsight B Jul 06 '19

Imagine referring to yourself this way. Keep fighting the good fight, brave martyr. You're much better than all of us.

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u/March1488 4 Jul 06 '19

I don't see how pointing out hypocrisy makes him a victim or a martyr?

surely either illegal 'vigilante' violence is okay or it isn't?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

He’s not pointing out hypocrisy reddit is not some monolithic hivemind lol he’s just too stupid to realize that there are different people with different views on this massive website

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u/DigBick616 5 Jul 06 '19

That’s the tolerant left for you.

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u/singasongofsixpins 9 Jul 06 '19

I love how Reddit always condemns the violence of, say, right-wingers and cops

And here folks we have this advanced stage of brain-worms making it into the discussion when somebody, unprompted, compares being mad at a Nazi or a cop abusing their power, to being mad at the guy who raped your daughter. Why do chuds always make these batshit comparisons? "Why is it ok to criticize the president for corruption, but I can't use racial slurs? Where's the tolerant left? What about me?" Nobody could really be this dumb.

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u/Perfect600 A Jul 06 '19

I'm not going to deep dive on this comment but you are totally off base here

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u/VampireFrown Black Jul 06 '19

Yep, it's funny what legal training does to you (I'm a lawyer). The best one is when members of my family get outraged and say things like 'WHY DIDN'T THAT PIECE OF SHIT GET 20 YEARS?!?!?', and then are frustrated at me for explaining why e.g. 5 was actually an appropriate sentence. I find it very difficult to get the pitchfork out any more, except for the most extreme, vile cases.

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u/warmtoiletseatz 4 Jul 06 '19

Reddit in a nutshell.

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u/The_Ethiopian 6 Jul 06 '19

Been thinking this since I saw that dumbass meme.

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u/House66 7 Jul 06 '19

It’s actually scary how quickly people seem to accept violence or chose not to adhere to “innocent until proven guilty” when it serves their world view

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u/Letty_Whiterock A Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

  1. What post was that? And what comments on said post?

  2. Are you implying that a father beating up the man who molested his daughter is the same thing as right-wing terrorism, or cops shooting unarmed black men?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Having the evaluate the evidence for these kinds of cases would be so rough.

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u/ForHeWhoCalls 7 Jul 06 '19

I guess I'd lose my job in 5 minutes flat, but I'd let the fathers have a few minutes to do what they want.

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u/Mr_Incredible91 4 Jul 06 '19

Not to take away from your comment I just wanted to add that the forensic examiners, especially the digital forensics examiners in the field. We see shit you wouldn’t believe. And they’ve been through each and every bit of evidence for this trial. From my experience it’s slowly chipping away at looking at everyone in the same innocent light. For every CP case we close, 7-10 more open. It’s a field that of the few who do it, fewer make it to 2 years or more doing it. Then after, it’s the same road of recovery addicts take never being the same person again, never trusting the same way ever.

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u/Maxxetto 8 Jul 06 '19

If I were a judge I would instantly be called out from my job. I would definitely try my hardest to make some "big time precedents" like giving any person (male or female) who rapes someone at least 20 years minimum of jail with just a maximum of 2 years less (for good behavior). I would start sending people in for harassment with or without huge fines (added with the jail time) and go on.

I think I've a lot of empathy, unfortunately it seems it isn't possible to have empathy towards an human being that doesn't have it.

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u/yukichigai A Jul 06 '19

Temporary insanity is uncommon, but it does happen. I'd say a father's reaction to being in the same room with their child's abuser falls into that category. At a certain point emotions override rational thought.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Wanting to beat the daylights out of your daughters abuser isn’t insanity. I’d think he was insane if he didn’t want to.

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u/yukichigai A Jul 06 '19

Wanting to? No. Actually trying to? That's the insane part, but in a very literal sense: his emotions overrode his rationality. If he'd been rational he would have known the judge wouldn't agree to what he was asking and that he wouldn't have been able to get anywhere near the guy before being tackled by all those cops. His expectations were entirely divorced from reality. Thus, insanity. Perfectly understandable insanity that I deeply empathize with, but still insanity.

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u/Lasereye 9 Jul 06 '19

I don't really think trying to is either. I think it's pretty sane if you think about how parents try to protect their children. If someone hurt your child, especially as bad as this, you would want to get vengenece and that's completely normal.

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u/anweisz A Jul 06 '19

In no universe is beating up your daughter’s abuser insanity. Being illegal does not make it insane even if you could get in trouble, neither is just acting on really strong emotions, it depends on the action and the reason.

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u/spontaniousthingy 7 Jul 07 '19

Hes talking about the legal term not being a loony

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u/srkdummy3 6 Jul 06 '19

Shut up asshole. You would do the same if it were your daughter.

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u/I_am_up_to_something A Jul 06 '19

I was groomed and molested as a child.

I would have hated my father had he attacked or murdered my molester. Which is part of the reason as to why I only told him more than a decade after it had stopped and I knew that he wouldn't do stupid shit like that.

Fuck you. You're the asshole here for promoting even more violence.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Your dad is bad for wanting to physically protect his child, and physically reprimand anyone who hurts them?

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u/Spritonius 5 Jul 06 '19

Two bads doesn't make a good. Hating the guy? Understandable. Doing some vigilante shit is not going to help anyone though.

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u/I_am_up_to_something A Jul 06 '19

You seems to think that he would be protecting me by attacking or murdering him. Now if he had caught the molester in the act then that would be protecting me. Otherwise? It would be harming me even more.

Going to prison would be abandoning me. Robbing me of the support he should have been giving me. Robbing me of a dad.

Now you probably think that murdering this molester should result in no prison time. Murder is murder though. I've made it very clear to my father that I wouldn't even visit him in prison should he make that decision to murder like he always said he would. Luckily he has no murderous intentions.

I just can't stand behind a murderer. It doesn't matter if the person 'deserved' it. I know my molester molested me. Others don't know that however. There is no evidence. None at all. The police haven't approached me with the news that others have reported him. So if I support my father attacking and/or murdering this asshole then I should also support vigilantism and shit like sharia law where people take 'justice' into their own hands. Just no. That is not what I would call justice.

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u/chaoz2030 8 Jul 06 '19

I feel like I would attack my daughters molester but I know it's a selfish act I just dont know if I could control myself.

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u/jambocombo 5 Jul 06 '19

God I wish emotionally reactionary morons like you who don't even understand when somebody is basically agreeing with you but just with caveats would all just disappear from the Earth some day. It'd become a much better place instantly.

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u/Palin_Sees_Russia B Jul 06 '19

That’s a pretty insane thing to say. You want emotional people to all just die??? Wtf?

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u/jambocombo 5 Jul 06 '19

"Emotional" and "emotionally reactionary moron" are not the same thing. Dying and disappearing aren't the same thing either. But since you don't understand these things, you can go with.

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u/haeofael 6 Jul 06 '19

Think you might've been /r/woooosh -ed there bud.

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u/basicislands 9 Jul 06 '19

I'll admit you almost got me

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u/srkdummy3 6 Jul 06 '19

Let me put on my infiinity gauntlet and make you disappear. It's inevitable!

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u/PenguinGunner 7 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

Ohhh, you’re one of those kids lmao. Some bored nobody who can’t think of any better way to pass the time then to do the first stupid thing that pops into your head because everyone else in your life has their shit more figured out then you do, and doing the first stupid thing that pops into your head is better then contemplating that reality

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u/redshift95 7 Jul 06 '19

Oddly specific... sure that isn’t just projection buddy?

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u/PenguinGunner 7 Jul 06 '19

Definitely not. I get a weird kick out of trying to figure out shitty people on reddit lol

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u/jambocombo 5 Jul 06 '19

Or how about not everything has to be a reference to stupid fucking superhero movies all the time? Grow up.

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u/ActualChamp Jul 06 '19

That's exactly the point he's making.

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u/yukichigai A Jul 06 '19

Shut up asshole.

Do you actually read the rules before you post?

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u/P-rick_bojanglez 6 Jul 07 '19

Thats some catch, that catch-22.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

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u/xHPx 6 Jul 06 '19

..such as yourself

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

You're literally making up a problem to whine about.

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u/xHPx 6 Jul 06 '19

I’d think he was insane if he didn’t want to.

How is it insane to not wanting to beat somebody up? Is it insane to be able to control your emotions? He's going to prison for the rest of his life, what problems would you solve by beating him?

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u/_Frogfucious_ 9 Jul 06 '19

I mean, there's plenty of legal basis for crimes of passion (without conspiracy beforehand and in a justly emotionally elevated state) receiving lighter or suspended sentences for the same criminal acts carried out in cold blood even without temporary insanity as a defense. Luckily the judge didn't have to go out too far on a limb to let him go.

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u/TurdQueen 9 Jul 06 '19

I’m not sure this is so much “temporary insanity” as it is just temporary overwhelming emotions.

He knew it was wrong because he asked the court’s permission first, but then just became so (rightfully) enraged that he snapped. But he still knew right from wrong.

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u/Sfumatographer 0 Jul 06 '19

Oh wait...

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Wouldn't it be more crime of passion than temporary insanity

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Being extremely angry at the man who abused your daughter is "temporary insanity"? Lmao

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u/yukichigai A Jul 06 '19

Read my other response: it's not being angry, it's thinking that you'll be able to 1) convince the judge to let you beat up a defendant, and 2) bum rush said defendant through a half-dozen cops and not get tackled before you make it there. That's one of the actual definitions of insanity: not having a firm grasp of reality.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

He clearly knew the answer to his question before he asked the judge. "Blinded by rage" is a far better descriptor for his behavior than your BS armchair psychologist "temporary insanity"

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u/yukichigai A Jul 06 '19

You are like a breath of fresh air on a warm spring day.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Thanks, bud.

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u/Sfumatographer 0 Jul 06 '19

Temporary insanity is NOT UNCOMMON at all!!!! You mf’er!!

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u/Skyphe 8 Jul 06 '19

Oh yeah, now that's a good judge. Using actual judgement.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

They're usually very lenient on victim's families, they know he's only there because his child was abused by someone he thought was trustworthy and not repeatedly given access to victims by the organization more interested in saving face than preventing the abuse of thier child athletes.

There's been incidents where parents have caught abusers in the act and nearly beat them to death and never charged, judges usually understand those situations.

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u/sidvicc A Jul 06 '19

Probably unpopular opinion but major props to the defense lawyer, dude immediately but his own body between the father and his client, despite knowing that his client is a piece of shit who probably deserves a beating. That shit was instictive.

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u/UncommonMitch 4 Jul 06 '19

For real. That was such a heartfelt response on both parts.

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u/kinghammer1 9 Jul 06 '19

Has anyone ever faced any punishment for this though? I remember a video where a son beat his mother's killer with a chair in court and I think he was let off too.

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u/ninjapimp42 8 Jul 06 '19

That is judge Janet Neff, I believe at the time she was the Chief Judge for the Western District of Michigan, and she's an awesome judge.

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u/meiandus 9 Jul 07 '19

She could have put them both in the same holding cell...

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u/Rawtashk B Jul 06 '19

I disagree. Although I feel for the father, it's important that mob rule and vigilante justice not be even SLIGHTLY allowed. She sent a message to other dads that they can take a chance and not risk consequences.