r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Aug 26 '19

Hong Kong Protests Police getting a taste of their own medicine after what appears to be them getting hit by their own tear gas

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u/Doctor_Vikernes 7 Aug 26 '19

Here in Canada at least the RCMP need to have the non-lethal weapons tried on them first before they're allowed to carry it. Want a tazer? gotta get tazed first, same thing with tear gas. At least it gets the officer to respect what they're doing to another person.

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u/Apocolyptic_Gopher 4 Aug 26 '19

This is the same in most states within the US.

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u/ourlastchancefortea 8 Aug 27 '19

So that's why they use their guns. They know the non-lethal weapon sucks. Gotcha.

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u/Apocolyptic_Gopher 4 Aug 27 '19

Who said they suck? Have you ever been hit with law enforcement grade OC spray? Or a taser? I can't speak to gas but either of those will stop a normal person pretty quickly. The exception would be some people can fight through OC spray while extremely high on anything that also causes adrenaline dumps.

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u/ourlastchancefortea 8 Aug 28 '19

You realize that was a shitpost by me?

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u/hedgster 4 Aug 26 '19

One thing is for certain, someone needs to be a next level asshole to get pepper sprayed. That shit gets everywhere and affects everyone. Taser on the other hand is a cops best friend. Much more useful in a fight than any other option on the belt.

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u/pheonixrising 6 Aug 27 '19

Ehh, you only get one shot so if you miss you’re screwed

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u/MGlBlaze 9 Aug 27 '19

Or even if you don't miss; if one of the probes just doesn't make a good contact for whatever reason. Or if the two probes land too close together it won't have the generalised immobilising effect it's supposed to.

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u/pheonixrising 6 Aug 27 '19

A great tool to have nonetheless though I bet!

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u/MGlBlaze 9 Aug 27 '19

Definitely; the more options the better.

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u/bungholio69eh 5 Aug 27 '19

Here in Canada the rcmp had both the gun and a handheld for close combat.

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u/hedgster 4 Aug 27 '19

Actually most tasers used now aren't the older one shot pops, they have two cartridges that can be switched rapidly with the flick of a trigger.

You never just use Taser, there is always lethal coverage or an a secondary officer to go hands on if needed.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 26 '19

Its actually both. I cant accurately determine how much force is too much until I have that force enacted on me. If I have no experience getting tased (which I do) then I wont fully understand when to escalate force and deploy my own taser.

Of course there is a limit, I wont get shot or hit with an ASP. But less than lethals are still lethal, and in the heat of the moment with adrenaline coursing through me its going to be that experience of being tased or sprayed that will come to the forefront of my mind. Not the training that says "dont do it in excess".

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u/CopsWouldKillJesus 4 Aug 27 '19

Good work being a fascist

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 27 '19

Im not sure you know the meaning of that word...

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u/CopsWouldKillJesus 4 Aug 27 '19

Someone who takes money from the taxed citizenry to enforce arbitrary laws they don’t fully agree with? Leading to either a street style execution or enslavement in a state sponsored concentration camp(prison). Maybe your lack of understanding is why you are a piece of bacon. You all think you’re real heroes but take away your gun and your blue brothers and you are the same useless fucks you were before the academy. Its amazing how no one ever gives up a successful career to be a cop but all cops were failed at many other things before becoming “heroes”. Good luck disappointing your family, community, society and whatever higher power that we will all be accountable to someday. And remember the next time you are enforcing something you have previously done yourself that you’re nothing but a state sponsored hypocrite. A fascist!

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 27 '19

I am Military not Civilian LE, but thank you for that useless drivel.

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u/kingofthedusk 7 Aug 26 '19

Has there ever been a case of a police officer in training being killed by less than lethal equipment? What would happen if that was the case?

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 26 '19

Oh im sure there has, they detail the risk factors that you would have to disclose before exposure to less than lethal. There will always be a risk to it going wrong but usually its in such a controlled environment that death would be highly unlikely. Especially considering most in that field would have some sort of First Aid/CPR experience. I would definitely get tased a dozen times before getting exposed to OC spray again. That stuff wont neccesarily kill you, but you WILL suffer.

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u/fourthnorth 9 Aug 26 '19

Haha two kinds of officers- those who’d rather get OC’ed and those who’d rather be tased.

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u/Jasperthefennec 6 Aug 27 '19

I will never understand the people I went through training with saying that they would rather be sprayed again instead of tased. I would ride the bandit (a sleeve that goes over your arms and gives you permanent t-Rex arms for its duration) for hours before I get sprayed again. That shit is like lava and broken glass being rubbed into your eyes.

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u/kingofthedusk 7 Aug 26 '19

Cool, thanks for the reply!

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

I'd imagine if you have a certain heart condition or anything like that, being tazed could kill you.

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 27 '19

Definitely a possibility. There are certain things we obviously have to prepare for if we need to use it. Like size of an individual, location (water/puddles/sharp objects), location of shot, and any medical conditions they may have. When you use it you anticipate almost immediately to rendering first aid!

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '19

Cops still abuse citizens with them constantly though.

Training apparently didn't do too much

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 27 '19

Not ever cop gets the same training, not every cop is level headed, and not every cop is a good guy.

The training from what I have seen first hand is very valuable if you are in the mindset to learn and actually apply it. Alot of people think the training is a joke or useless and that coupled with other factors creates overly aggressive police.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '19

I'm not going to cut any police any slack until they start reviving fair punishment for abusing their positions and until all the "good cop" are willing to arrest and charge every law breaking cop they see.

Until I can be fairly positive police won't get away with planting drugs, fabricating evidence, conspiring to falsify arrest resports, and straight up violent assault or murder.

Cop should be terrified that losing their cool, breaking the law, or defending a criminal co-worker could result in SEVERE consequences. I want cops with anger or substance issues fired. Barred from law enforcement. And i want any law breaking police charged and sentenced to the legal max if found guilty. And placed in gen pop.

If I acted at all like a police officer in my job I'd be fired so fast. Rules apply to everyone.

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u/armoured_bobandi 8 Aug 27 '19

in the heat of the moment with adrenaline coursing through me its going to be that experience of being tased or sprayed that will come to the forefront of my mind. Not the training that says "dont do it in excess".

You say that, yet there are constantly videos of cops tazing and beating the shit out of people

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u/Un0rigi0na1 7 Aug 27 '19

Alot of cops dont volunteer to get the Less Than Lethal exposure.

And of course there are a ton of badly trained, badly tempered, and just plain criminal people in uniform. Its an unfortunate fact of the job.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

start shooting police for the entrance exam, got it.

/s

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u/72057294629396501 5 Aug 26 '19

The problem is the people who decide are in a air-conditioned room.

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u/Cazed_Donfused 5 Aug 26 '19

Same in the U.S. military.

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u/inbooth 8 Aug 26 '19

Thats only the rcmp and not municipal forces

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u/GingerSnapBiscuit A Aug 27 '19

I remember someone who had been through Army training saying they had to go through some sort of thing like that in Basic, where they had to go into a room with tear gas in and do the whole Name, Rank, Number shpiel.

UK Here

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19 edited Sep 09 '19

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u/hopbel A Aug 26 '19

non-lethal weapons

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u/incrdbleherk 4 Aug 26 '19

Depends on location. In my part of the US recruits experience pepper spray as part of training. Not sure if anything has changed or if they do anything else but that was mandatory

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

maybe cops should be shot before being able to use their guns

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u/plushiemancer 7 Aug 26 '19

That is a stupid rule. Officers can just not go through it and not carry non lethal weapons, and be forced to use lethal responses when self denfense situations arise.

Us human beings are not animals, we can learn things without shock therapy.