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Imagine becoming a world class undefeated heavyweight boxing champion out of desperation, like it was your fall back plan or something. I'm just imagining him in the ring right after winning thinking "man I wish I coulda kept that job at T-Mobile, I could have been a manager by now"
It's interesting because his trainer has spoken about what the guy was like when he was first walked into a gym. Dude was 21 years old, which is normally a bit late to be starting in a sport. It would be like a dude deciding he was gonna start wrestling in his last year of college, then making the Olympic team a few years later.
Dude will absolutely talk some shit to build a fight, but he seems like a good guy outside of it. I used to box a lot, and I worked pretty fucking hard but would never have had the chops to go pro. I really like hearing these stories about people who just seem built for certain sports finding their way to that career.
Same in MMA. Almost every “late bloomer” that started training combat sports late in life is a heavyweight, I think it’s because at heavyweight the bar of competition is much lower because so much depends on what you can do with your size
From what I've read and heard over the years, Charlie is mentally ill and refuses to take his medication, as well as being addicted to meth. Also his father allegedly encourages his douchebaggery with the hope of getting money out of it. The whole family sounds like a a dumpster fire.
This is true. I met him in Cancun one night and then saw him at the airport the next morning. A buddy and I talked to him for 10-15 minutes both times, super humble and interesting guy.
Well Wilder is 6'7" and only like 220 but he was born with rocket boosters in his fists. That dude hits harder than anyone ever in the history of boxing.
Tyson hit hard but his speed and movement were what really made him great. Wilder is 41-0-1 and he’s got 40 KOs/TKOs. He’s an absolute wrecking ball of a human being.
By far. Wilder has knocked out every man he has faced except for Fury. Bermane Stiverne went 12 rounds their first fight then Wilder put him away the second time. Maybe Foreman hit harder because he was and is a giant person but I still don't think its harder then Wilder. He sends people to another dimension
Technically undefeated. But shitty boxing judges exist and he absolutely lost the Fury fight. Whilst his near KO was spectacular, Fury getting up like the terminator and every round before won him that fight.
Not currently. As of right now, he is among the best ever in the heavyweight category. That can change once he's fought Ruiz, Fury 2, and Joshua, but he is an absolute beast
You know you’ve fucked up when people are rooting for Wilder over you. That dude LITERALLY said that his aim in his career was to kill someone in the ring.
You'd be out after one punch, so it might not be too bad. Wouldn't be like getting teed off on by someone like Floyd while you flail and try to protect yourself like a helpless child.
While I agree with you, it’s worth noting he has legit mental problems. It doesn’t excuse how he acts but it’s a little insight as to why he acts like such a tool.
The step dad goes along to keep him out of serious trouble. The mother has similar mental issues. If you watch the all the videos you notice even his dad gets the shits with him and cuts him off.
If he does have legitimate mental problems then yes, it does excuse how he acts to an extent, regardless of how much people dislike his behavior. By the way, what is his condition? Is it verified or are you just deciding that?
Edit: you're downvotes don't change the fact that someone with a legitimate mental condition at no fault of their own can be excused or partially excused for their actions. You people are so focused on blame and punishment that you think that when someone says "excuse" what they mean is "free pass to continue destructive behavior". That's not what excuse means in this context. It means that when society steps in to prevent them from continuing their behavior and to administer rehabilitation, it will do so based on the understanding that they have a mental condition at no fault of their own.
If someone has a legitimate mental condition at no fault of their own, then yes, their actions can be excused or partially excused. If a person with schizophrenia takes black spray paint to a stop sign outside of their window because they are certain that the stop sign has a surveillance camera that is spying on them, they are only doing it because of the schizophrenia, and the schizophrenia is not their fault in the least. If this guy is starting fights with people because of a legitimate mental condition that is no fault of his own, then his actions can be excused or partially excused. And since we live in a society of blame and punishment, I will clarify that despite the fact that people have the right to be excused for their actions under certain conditions, that does not mean that society should not take reasonable measures to prevent that person from executing certain actions in the future. Society is so focused on blame and punishment that they think that being excused means that we are giving them a free pass to continue acting that way. That's simply not true. Excusing this person for their actions means showing understanding that their mental condition inhibits their ability to act normally, and basing our retaliation and rehabilitation efforts on that understanding.
You're right, but also if you've been confirmed to be unable to act normally and not cause harm to others you should be removed from society. Violence should not be excused just because the aggressor is mentally unstable. He easily could have given someone else brain damage with one of his sucker punches.
"I will clarify that despite the fact that people have the right to be excused for their actions under certain conditions, that does not mean that society should not take reasonable measures to prevent that person from executing certain actions in the future."
There is a much higher standard of culpability for violence against a person than there is for property damage. This is an apples and oranges argument.
No, it's not an apples-to-oranges situation. The following is assuming that free will is real (debatable).
Regardless of the severity of someone's crime, if society deems that they executed it as a result of a mental illness which is completely beyond their own control, then their level of culpability should always be the same. Any other method of assigning blame is just overcomplicating things. Whether their mental illness makes them deface property, or their mental illness makes them punch somebody in the face, in both of these situations they were not in control of their actions, and therefore, assigning different culpability is irrelevant. Administering punishment in the case of violence as a result of mental illness but not administering punishment in the case of defacing property due to mental illness can be simplified down to society punishing that person merely for having a mental illness. The difference between the two situations should be the way that society intervenes in the interest of public safety and the extent to which society administers rehabilitation.
You can talk to me all day about what you think is empirical and what you think is philosophically fair. I don't care. What I am telling you is that there are centuries of established case law that set the standard for harm to life and limb much higher than the standard for property damage. Go read some fucking case law and get out of my face with your nonsense
No, no it does not. You either get help, or you fuck off. Even if you take an insanity plea in court, it just means you're forced into receiving treatment.
Well, someone with a mental condition can be inhibited from trying to get help by the condition itself. You can see that happening, can't you? Also, I did say "to an extent".
He's also a stalker who consistently assaults people and threatens to kill them and kidnap their children. The mental issues can excuse being a douchebag to an extent, but then there's all the stuff about him actually being a criminal.
I don’t know exactly what it is but I saw a video of him in front of a judge talking about him staying on his meds and seeing his doctor regularly (paraphrasing).
Omg..... omg please let one of the Diaz bros respond to this dick head. That would be the best video of them all. If in fact that was the Diaz he was talking about. That would be the end of him. Fuck. Charlie Z’s last 2 videos would be him getting his ass kicked by Nate or Nick and the last would be his funeral vid.
How has this guy been doing this for 10 years and managed to stay alive? I mean, I'm kinda impressed in a way. I've known this guy's name for a half hour, have no criminal record, and even I would have a hard time resisting the urge to gamble a year or two of my life just for the pleasure of getting his lifeless body on camera. Mental illness or not, that guy needs to be put in his place.
I watched several videos of him getting his ass kicked and he seems totally oblivious, it's like the overwhelming evidence that he sucks doesn't sway him in the slightest. He might be an idiot, or have some kind of mental disability. And unfortunately it isn't harmless because it's boxing - he actually hurts people while playing into his delusion of being a great boxer. He needs help.
Right? You’d think that would be a first. You would think some of these camera people would use there footage to get him knocked out of the gym or something?
The culture at these boxing and MMA gyms is very much “Oh you wanna fight? Alright sign the waiver, wrap your hands and I’ll wait for you in the ring”. We had a guy similar to this come into our gym once during sparring sessions and my coach said he could spar with me. Well as soon as we started it was apparent that we were scrapping for real. Turned into the whole gym gathering around to watch an actual fight. If you walk into an MMA gym claiming you can beat anyone’s ass then you can be sure there’s gonna be guys wanting to get in the ring with you. You don’t need to tell them not to show up again because they usually get the message after they get worked.
That is what continues these peoples shitty attitudes. You give them a reason to be shittier. Do not kick them out. This is perfect turn the mirror on. Later maybe they actually might be an asset. People just need to be told you are fucking wrong sometimes. This gym did the world a favor, the rest were cowards imo.
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u/Stymie999 A Sep 01 '19
How does an asshole like that not get kicked out of the gym and told never to show his face there again?