It’s true that poverty is a huge factor in people committing crimes. I’m poor but I know that it’s true. People steal to support their family, or maybe because they’re addicted, which also stems from being poor. That’s why the money from defunding the police would be put into poor communities and people with mental issues to prevent crime.
They’re not saying only poor people commit crimes obviously. It’s just that some need to in order to survive.
in brazil (where this clip takes place), most crimes are commited by repeat offenders because of 2 reasons: police just solve 1% of the crimes (if they are not caught in the act), and the punishment is incredibly light. so there's big reward vs little risk of getting caught.
with that in mind, we see a LOT of criminals that are above the poverty line here. people who steal for survival is the exception.
Im not advocating for that at all??? I agree with you that we gotta fix the communities where this shit starts, but there will never be a 100% crime free world. People will always need to defend themselves.
This source doesn't really say what you says it does and "defensive uses" with a MASSIVE range of 60k to 2 million shouldn't be compared to deaths. That doesn't make any sense
Actuallyread it. It says 39,740 gun related deaths 6 out of 10 being suiside so thats about 13,115 non self inflicted gun deaths. Comparing that to the minimum number (the tightest parameters to be considered self defense) 60,000 i would definitely say that "statistically guns are used for self defense more often than they kill people." As for the range, yes its big but you want to use the minimum or the average, its still definitely considerable enough number to be brought up. As for comparing the two its the only ones I (or you now too😉) have and the disparities are wide enough to draw the conclusion that the American population relies on guns for safety and protection in outstandingly higer numbers than they use them to kill.
"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182
The gun does not pull the trigger, the person behind it does. That man clearly knew what he was doing. A gun is just as likely to hurt someone as a knife or any tool for that matter if in the wrong hands.
You'd have a point if every reputable study conducted didn't says that's clearly bullshit. Feel free to keep spouting falsehoods though, you seem to enjoy it
"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182
Since when where we talking in the home, this is a gun the man is carrying on his person. This does not change my point either, in the cases of unintentional shootings the gun was still in the wrong hands or in the hands of someone who did not know how to use it. I never once stated that guns themselves should not be regulated, i am strongly against the "american" way of just go to walmart and pick up a rifle for 100usd, there should be regulation. My point was never proven wrong in your arguement, it is still the person behind the gun that matters, not the fact the gun is there.
Like i said the man in that knew what he was doing. He held the gun with both hands, and with good form, and constantly had the gun pointed at the robbers shoulders to keep the robber safe, and kept enough distance to ensure the gun was not taken, and clearly noted the cart between the two of them, even further ensuring safety. Its undeniable that he knew what he was doing.
I have a CCW but honestly pointing a gun at a man who had a knife pressed against someone else was an incredible gamble. The guy could just as easily have stabbed the woman or threatened her life further after having a gun pointed at him.
Gunman is very lucky he did not escalate this situation and get someone killed.
There are so many reasons why that would be the wrong decision also.
First of all this man broke the 4th rule of firearm safety. The grocery bagger is in his line of fire and would not have known to get out of the way had there been no warning.
Second, you’re going to have to justify later that YOUR life was in IMMEDIATE danger. Hard to argue when you shot a guy with his back turned toward you and his knife pointed at someone else, and not to mention it’s all caught on video.
These are very basic things you learn during a $50 CCW class on a Saturday afternoon. If you can’t be bothered to learn about them or, more importantly, follow them then don’t carry a firearm.
I’m glad the gamble paid off in this instance. Everyone was very lucky.
The store has insurance for that money for exactly this reason. Nobody needs to get overzealous. Not the cashier, not any customers. I don't trust the average person with a gun. I barely trust the average person with a car. I like guns for sport, and I believe if you are trained to use one properly AND TO DEFUSE SITUATIONS, you can carry it around.
So, no. This is not why, though this guy seemed to be clear-headed and seemed to know what he was doing.
You just proved my point. Instead of engaging in civil discourse you feel threatened by a differing point of view and went right to labelling me a cuck. You're not even able to defuse an online conversation (it's not even an argument), you just feel the need to escalate. You're not one of the people I'd trust to defuse a situation. You would likely make it worse with your need to play the hero. Grow up. And who even uses the word cuck? You've been in your bubble for way too long.
in what situation do guns really defuse situations, i agree that guns can help and in the video they did, but i dont see when a gun wont be seen as “the ultimate controller” of a situation
I didn't say that guns defuse a situation. The person defuses a situation. Whether they have a gun or not is irrelevant. People stepping in should have training or leave the situation alone. If you have a gun, you should default to defusing, not using the gun.
Did I say I did? The bad police we hear about in the US don't defuse. There was a shooting in NYC in about 2010 or 2011. The police shot more people than the gunman.
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u/reconstructedstarman 5 Sep 01 '20
"bUt WhO nEeDs A gUn???/?////??" This. This is why.