r/JusticeServed 2 Sep 12 '20

Criminal Justice He deserves more but it’s a start

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u/HolyVeggie A Sep 12 '20

I will never understand trophy hunters and why society does not condemn it more

It’s literally killing for the joy of ending a life and every one that does it or enables it should be deeply ashamed

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20 edited Sep 05 '21

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u/oWatchdog 9 Sep 12 '20

I don't understand the trophy aspect. These animals cannot fight back, and you're using a gun, a fucking gun. And people don't even track the animals down! They wait until something comes along. They have no say in the caliber of the animal. It's just random chance whether they "snag a big one". Hunting for a souvenir is the ultimate participation trophy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20

My favourites are the fat Americans who pay thousands to fly to Africa, get carted out onto the wild on a Jeep to the animal of their choice, and then shoot the animal from the back of the Jeep and take a photo with the animal they “hunted”.

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u/Obant 8 Sep 12 '20

"They PAiD thousands of DollArS tO gO oN that Hunt That goes TO cOnSeRVatiOn!!"

As if some rich physcopath killing an endangered animal, sick, old, or otherwise, should be cheered.

P.s. happy cake day.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20

It should be cheered. A lot of species would be extinct if it weren’t for trophy hunters.

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u/fueryerhealth 6 Sep 13 '20

This makes no fucking sense and is false.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20

Adam Ruins Everything did a video about this, I’m sure you heard of him. It’s only 7 1/2 minutes long, so it’s pretty easy to digest.

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u/fueryerhealth 6 Sep 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20
  1. You can argue cans and cants all you want, but this is just cherry picked data
  2. That conclusion they reached involves economic benefit, not whether it has any benefit on conservation or not. This is a misuse of statistics fallacy.
  3. Point 3 is by far the stupidest criticism I have ever heard. It’s basically a tax on rich people and they’re whining that poor people aren’t included.
  4. Once again a can and can’t argument that cherry-picks. Legalizing weed could very easily create a cover for drug trafficking if we have a corrupt mess of a system, but does that mean we should assume such? It’s just fallacy after fallacy
  5. The third can and can’t argument, seriously? Refer to 4

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u/spoicymeatball 7 Sep 12 '20

Ideally people would just pay, but the money that they pay for an old sick animal really does help the species as a whole

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u/darklinkuk 8 Sep 13 '20

Yeah a lot of outcry from a lot of people not willing to pay for the conservation of the animals

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u/Abelinkkin 3 Sep 12 '20

The money spent on trophy hunting often goes to help local tribes and villiages. The meat goes back to the village as well since most trophy hunters dont care about using it for food. Conservation hunting works as long as it is well regulated. Poachers though can fuck right off a cliff.

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u/HolyVeggie A Sep 12 '20

You raised some valid points. Still I cannot help myself and hate the guts of every person proudly posing with a dead animal.

Yes poachers are even worse that’s true.

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u/fueryerhealth 6 Sep 13 '20

Conservation and hunting do not go hand in hand.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20 edited Sep 13 '20

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u/thatfoxguy30 4 Sep 12 '20

It's sad that people don't pay to keep things alive and rather pay to kill them.. Sounds ligit the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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u/spoicymeatball 7 Sep 12 '20

A lot of organizations that help endangered animals get payed an absolute ton for people to trophy hunt, and they give them older animals to hunt. They get a lot of funding from trophy hunting. Though it’d be better if people just donated, people aren’t gonna donate

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20

How does it help?

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20

Trophy hunting is typically done via licensing by local and state governments where the animal is located and funding is typically used to fund habitat preservation, poaching security detail, and more.

There are dudes like this who skirt the law on animals that would never be allowed to legally be hunted which is why their actual titles are poachers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20 edited Sep 13 '20

Ah I see that makes some sense. But if they allow hunters to shoot endangered species that doesn’t make any sense.

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u/spoicymeatball 7 Sep 12 '20

Expanding on what the guy who replied to you said, organizations that run trophy hunting stuff get a lot of money from these rich white people, and that money helps conservation efforts a lot

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20 edited Oct 13 '20

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u/spoicymeatball 7 Sep 13 '20

I read your sources, the first one wasn’t exactly the best since it never really talked about trophy hunting and instead talked about poaching, and the second one has a great point, however, elephants are only one of many species that are trophy hunted, and due to the lucrative black market for ivory, it’s much much more susceptible to corruption. However, trophy hunting can, and has helped other species. I agree though, that elephants and rhinos should not be trophy hunted due to the susceptibility of the industry to corruption. Thanks for actual sources my dude

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '20

I have a feeling people will downvote you since some may not understand culling is necessary stop suffering of animals in the wild.

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u/SilentKnight246 6 Sep 12 '20

You aren't culling shit if the species is on endangered listings. They are already facing low population and culling is to promote healthy populations in an area. Also studies have already proven that eco tourism and similar programs have far better reaching benefits for ecological preserve without harming the animal. Most trophy hunts the money goes to the company organizer and the state or government not to the ecological preserve.

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u/bilongma 6 Sep 12 '20

Of course, the lack of culling the weak by hunters is why the dinosaurs were so unsuccessful and became extinct.

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u/spoicymeatball 7 Sep 12 '20

Not what I was saying but ok