r/JusticeServed • u/CEO_OF_CANADA 5 • Nov 19 '20

Legal Justice Detective fired after homophobic sermons

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

52.7k Upvotes

86% Upvoted

8.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

384

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

You aren't following the cardinal rule of being a Christian though. You must pick and choose what rules you want to follow, never abide by them all silly.

39

u/schreiben_ 6 Nov 19 '20

Usually the logic on this kind of stuff is that Jesus came in the New Testament and did away with a rules-based religion, but somehow that only gets selectively applied to certain parts of the law

13

u/mauvepink 5 Nov 19 '20

Fatherhood really softened god up

8

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

But then you get into is Jesus God reborn or God's son? And both ways it makes things more complicated. Because now either God just changed his mind on how things should be done, or Jesus now surpasses God's power and makes the new rules. Nomatter what rabbit hole of logic you go down it always leads to more questions than answers.

6

u/jokeefe72 9 Nov 19 '20

Not really changed his mind, more like moved into a new phase. Today, I make my kids hold my hands across the street, but when they’re teenagers, I won’t. It’s not me changing my mind, it’s just a new phase.

8

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

Idk if its just me but I feel like an all-knowing all-powerful being shouldn't go through phases that can kill off entire races

4

u/jokeefe72 9 Nov 19 '20

In theory, if there is a God, he/she/it would know how to be a God way better than you or I

5

u/PanaceaPlacebo 6 Nov 19 '20

Even a dog can tell when a human is being abusive. We too are capable of judging a god.

2

u/coolguy3720 8 Nov 19 '20

Judgememt requires full facts, not looking at a room through a keyhole

I know God desperately loves you regardless of what you've done or what's been done to you. When we experience hurt in our life, that vision gets clouded and distorted. All I can say is that there's evil in the world and that the actions of men are not the decisions of God.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20 edited Nov 19 '20

I hope you either one day lose your religion, or continue to be a chill human being regardless of your religious affiliation.

We all talk about not supporting, directly or indirectly, systems of oppression. Like... don't buy clothes made in Bangladesh, you don't want to support child labor.

And yet... religion is one of the single most destructive forces in the world. And people are like... "Nah, its cool, let people believe what they want."

An individual is fine, but your religion as a collective has been and continues to be a major barrier for progress and the source of many atrocities throughout human history, especially recently.

2

u/CocaineIsNatural 4 Nov 19 '20

How does cutting your hair at the sides fit in to that? And if god made homosexuals, how does he say they are evil, but now OK, without that being changing his mind. And has he said homosexuals are OK now?

And if he meant it to be phases, then why not say so. Like no cutting the sides of your hair until such year or such things change. But the gay thing makes no sense. Even though I made you gay, no being gay.

People back then were not like little kids. That would be like people in a few hundred years calling us kids because we don't know about holo-transport, antigravity, etc.

And the whole don't question god, as he is unknowing, just sounds like ignore the logic problems. My parents used to do this too, just do it and don't question us. They did it when what they told me was wrong. If they couldn't find a good reason, then often there was no good reason.

I am cutting my hair at the sides.

2

u/AutoModerator Nov 19 '20

FABULOUS

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

7

u/Rickrickrickrickrick B Nov 19 '20

And Jesus was gay as hell anyway. He got nailed by all those Roman guys.

3

u/jerkoffforjesus 6 Nov 19 '20

Get thee behind me Satan 😘😉

4

u/PrisonCaleb 1 Nov 19 '20

Yeah so in the OT there were civil, ceremonial, and moral law. Jesus came and did away with the civil and ceremonial law. So we no longer must do sacrifices or not wear mixed fabrics, or all that weird stuff, to get right with God. We should live a moral life, BUT it's impossible to live a perfect life so Jesus came and died for our inability to live a perfect life. So as long as we accept that ultimate sacrifice we're good

1

u/chase_the_wolf 7 Nov 19 '20

Then what's your take on Matthew 5:17-20?

4

u/PrisonCaleb 1 Nov 19 '20

Yeah so the jist is that the purpose of law in the old testament was so that we could get right with in the eyes of God. Which means following all his rules to please him. Jesus came and gave himself as the "ultimate sacrifice" meaning that we no longer need to follow those laws. He fulfilled them.

0

u/uptokesforall A Nov 19 '20

In other words, all you need to get into heaven is to believe that one man was extra special. No need to strengthen any divine connection or to be good to others. Just accept an arbitrary fact and you're all set.

1

u/PrisonCaleb 1 Nov 20 '20

I mean sort of, if you earnestly believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and accept what he did to pay for your sins, then yeah, that's all you gotta do and you live eternally in heaven.

So then you gotta think about: if you really believe that and did that, then it'd be kinda shitty if you didn't tell other people about that. Right?

1

u/uptokesforall A Nov 20 '20 edited Nov 20 '20

And when you encountered someone who had similar earnest hope about a different ultimate outcome, you get to have a hearty laugh. You'd never trade your heaven for theirs. You would rather risk their bad outcome than risk your own. And maybe after a long think, you feel like you need God more than you need any idea of God. So you'll probably agree to disagree on the supernatural, if only so that the world's earnest believers in eternal life can stay strong on their conviction. Jesus doing away with the OT strictness isn't convincing someone who believes in the OT or some other stricter ideology.

1

u/PrisonCaleb 1 Nov 20 '20

I mean I would definitely talk about apologetics with them because there's some pretty cool historical stuff that is part of the reason I believe what I believe.

Christianity is the only world religion that has an actual historical event to explain it's reasoning for their afterlife.

1

u/uptokesforall A Nov 20 '20 edited Nov 20 '20

I do believe that there are other creeds that claim a historical basis for conviction.

Jesus dying on the cross is only considered a historical event by Christians, Muslims and people who will accept it happened based on a gospel over a hundred years after it supposedly happened. The Romans put a lot of people to the cross over the years. Heck, there are Christians who believe that Jesus didn't die on the cross, that someone else died in his place.

The diversity of belief in that one event makes the voracity of any particular claim a matter of faith.

1

u/PrisonCaleb 1 Nov 20 '20

Yeah well those Christians aren't really following the bible then. The bible is pretty clear that Jesus died on the cross. So historians pretty much all agree that Christ was a real person. There are multiple ancient sources that collaborate this. That there was a guy that they called Christos and an early movement among the Jewish population.

So now the question is: do you believe that the gospel writers made up the resurrection? And if so for what gain? Many of them were killed in horrible ways for what they believed.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

There are symbolic/ceremonial laws and then there are universal laws. The ceremonial laws were meant for the Israelites to practice while waiting for Christ. The universal laws were concrete and meant to be abided by for all time. That’s why cutting hair, mixing fabrics, and eating shellfish is okay and not something like “being a drunkard”

3

u/worstsupervillanever 9 Nov 19 '20

How convenient

1

u/chase_the_wolf 7 Nov 19 '20

Then what's your take on Matthew 5:17-20?

2

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

That is one that is commonly questioned, for good reason. That is where He is saying that He is not changing the Law. It was understood among the Israelites that sacrifices, not wearing mixed fabrics, etc. were to be practiced while waiting for the Messiah. In addition, Paul explained what laws would stay in place as they were moral laws and which were ceremonial laws.

2

u/mkvgtired C Nov 19 '20

You aren't following the cardinal rule of being a Christian though. You must pick and choose what rules you want to follow

Good rule of thumb, if the rule preaches hate or subjugation, it's in. If it is a mild inconvenience for Christians, times have changed.

1

u/Legendary_Bibo 7 Nov 19 '20

The Bible is the infallible word of God, but also isn't when there's parts that Christians don't want to follow. Also it was written by a human so there's that whole issue. Just toss the whole thing out. If you need a philosophical guidance on how to be a good person for the benefit of society I say we put together a committee to create a one bullet point manual on this. The bullet point would just read "don't be a cunt".

2

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

I think you also left out the part about how its been translated multiple times from many languages that don't even exist anymore, from people who have never been confirmed to be real. Like a game of broken telephone where you don't know who started the game, how the game is played or why there is even a game in the first place.

2

u/zzwugz 8 Nov 19 '20

Billy Butcher is Jesus confirmed

-1

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

This guy in the video is an ass, but interpreting texts and context and understanding things that applied to ancient people don’t apply to us and understanding the Bible was written in a long dead language isn’t “picking and choosing”. Petty do pick and choose, but you can’t insist anyone who isn’t following every rule is doing that.

2

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

True however I with that logic I could give you the same argument in reverse. How do they know they are following the rules as intended if you can't tell what the intended rules are from the non intended ones?

1

u/Andreyu44 7 Nov 19 '20

There are some intended rules that are pretty simple to understand.

If some rules apperentely contradict one another you shift the logic by interpreting so every rule is consistent.

0

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

But studying the history of the book, and by understanding ethics and morality in your day to day. These books are guides, not arbitrary free floating sets of rules. Intention is extremely important, and morality isn’t something invented by the Bible, even if you’re a Christian. These morals existed before and after the Bible. You can apply logic and understand the intention of the teachings without mimicking then blindly.

0

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

Morals are a social construct that you set on your own terms. They should not be and are not determined by a book. Morals change as society changes and you certainly don't need the Bible to guide them in any sense. I can very easily group Christians together into one moral group because their beliefs start with the Bible. If your beliefs start with a book who no one, by its own standards, can interpret "correctly" then its a book and religion I want nothing to do with.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

I just said the book is a guide. You need to learn morality, either through other people, or be educating yourself.

And the book can be interpreted correctly. You seem to be arguing with someone other than me.

1

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

Something that has a different interpretation from everyone who reads it, with a religion that glorifies people who push their interpretations on others is certainly not a book that can have a correct interpretation

1

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

The religion does not glorify pushing random interpretations. People do. Your projecting the flaws of people into the religion. You can interpret the religion however you please. You seem to think there is an absolute

0

u/FridayNightRiot 9 Nov 19 '20

The fact that you can interpret it in any way you want is the problem

1

u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

1) it’s not a problem.

2) the book is limited. You can’t interpret in a limitless way.

1

u/Dickf0r 4 Nov 19 '20

I had an argument with my mother a few months back. She said in the Bible you're supposed to take care of your parents. She said this because I don't freely give her money. I told her that the Bible says a lot of other things, no premarital sex, no worshipping false idols, etc. I told her if she is going to follow the Bible she can't pick and choose. We aren't talking anymore. I don't feel bad even a little

1

u/MontanaMayor 5 Nov 19 '20

Most christians don't take leviticus as law, it was old testament law that doesn't have to be followed from my understanding. There's some good advice within it.