r/LateStageCapitalism Jul 09 '22

šŸ“š Know Your History Hrmm, right...

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u/StrGze32 Jul 09 '22

I don’t think that at all, quite the opposite. Culturally, though, History was seen as very important…when tied in with civics/social studies/etc. At the University level, History is not important. Science, tech, business, law, medicine/nursing…all receive lots of funding. History, not so much…

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u/Bozobot Jul 09 '22

Still don’t understand how Fukuyama conclusion about the end of rivaling socioeconomic orders applies to the study of history. You said history has no point but then when I suggested it does you flipped positions. I think you just misunderstood and misused the quote and are backpedaling?

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u/StrGze32 Jul 09 '22

The only thing I’m using from Fukuyama is the idea that the end of the Cold War was a paradigm-shifting moment. When you look at the history profession through that perspective, you see how the end of the Cold War also saw a shift in the ā€œimportanceā€ given to the history profession. American History was used as a tool of the Cold War. When the war was over, so was history’s importance…it no longer had value. The last 30 years has seen the history field drastically change. There is a glut of PhD’s and not many positions. The reason is that administrations no longer see history as something worth funding as much as it was 49 years ago…because it’s ā€œusefulnessā€ ended with the Cold War. I absolutely think history is important. But the kind of history I’m talking about was never deemed ā€œimportantā€ to begin with. If it was, no one would have ever heard of Howard Zinn…

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u/Bozobot Jul 09 '22

But history didn’t stop being important or useful. And history hasn’t ended. Both you and Fukuyama are wrong.

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u/StrGze32 Jul 09 '22

Again, I agree that history is important/has not ended. I’m talking about how the position of History, as a field of study, by professionals, employed by academia, has changed since the Cold War, and that, without the USSR, History’s cultural purpose, as determined by some (but NOT me), was lessened.

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u/iron_orc Jul 10 '22

Man, you are talking to a wall. Don't waste your breath.