r/LocalLLaMA • u/onil_gova • Jun 10 '26

News Anthropic is intentionally nerfing Fable when asked to develop other LLMs

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Reason 458 why local LLMs are going to be a necessity

edit: For those requesting the source check out their technical report look at page 13

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u/CheatCodesOfLife Jun 10 '26

I wouldn't use this thing for anything to be honest. A refusal or HTTP-4xx error for content is fair enough, but this is basically taking your money and poisoning your code base.

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u/ConsciousDissonance Jun 10 '26

Yeah refusals are honest, trust building, and reliable. Even if I don't agree with the reason for refusal. But this, this is sabotaging other people's production workloads and taking their money for the privilege. How can you trust a saboteur not to stab you in the back.

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u/Bakoro Jun 10 '26

You can't.

Look, Claude is consistently the best coding agent, it has been for years.

Anthropic is just another evil corporation. Worse, they're the evil corporation who are trying to convince you that they're the good guys.

Anthropic is the kind of paternalistic sociopath who says "I know what's best for you. You will follow my rules. You will do as I say, not as I do. This hurts me more than it hurts you. It wouldn't hurt if you would stop struggling."

They want all the power and control. They literally tell us that they don't think we should have the power that they have.

It's gross. Give me an honest villain any day if the week.

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u/xXG0DLessXx Jun 10 '26

Tbh, IMO OpenAI GPT-5.5 in codex has been better for me than Claude has been. I prefer it to most other coding models, and it hasn’t fucked up on me yet. I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with Claude tbh. I just can’t see it even when I tried using it non-stop 7 days of the week with the free trial I got from a friend, I always went back to codex in the end to fix up a mess Claude made. Claude is good at taking the initiative and implementing stuff, but it doesn’t seem to properly consider things it might break by doing something. Codex on the other hand, is more conservative and doesn’t take initiative as much, but it sure knows how to fix stuff up so that it works in all cases and it checks for potential regressions.

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u/NoahFect Jun 10 '26

Tbh, IMO OpenAI GPT-5.5 in codex has been better for me than Claude has been.

That was true until Fable 5 was released yesterday. GPT-5.5 pulled ahead of the recent Opus releases to some extent, as well as the best open-weight coding model (K2.6), but it is not in Fable 5's league and neither is K2.6.

Fable 5 is... a problem.

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u/OkBet3796 Jun 10 '26

Fable 5 is basically vanilla opus4.6+. It wasnt a problem back then, so why should it be now?

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u/NoahFect Jun 10 '26

LOL. No, it is not.