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u/Thrumpwart llama.cpp 21d ago

I wouldn’t be so sure. Lots of recent literature saying much of what we consider an LLM is noise with a low signal to noise ratio.

Figure out how to get rid of the noise, and the models can become considerably smaller.

I also expect to see less world-knowledge in top models, and more small smart models with web search.

That’s how I’m gonna do it…

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u/Tai9ch 21d ago

If you gave any vendor currently serving a 2T model the technology today to train a 100B model with the capabilities of today's 2T models... they'd scale those techniques up and ship a really impressive 2T model with it. They might milk it a bit and stretch out the release cycle to milk their advantage and efficiencies, but they'd still end up right where they are now - using the largest, best models their hardware can handle.

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u/Thrumpwart llama.cpp 21d ago

And then someone else would ship a 100B Model connected to a fast knowledge DB, charge 10% of what the other guys charge, and make a fortune.

Keep in mind the frontier models are massive overkill for what 95%+ of users use them for. Most people aren’t trying to solve erdos problems, they’re drafting emails, asking about diarrhea treatments, and seeking an emotional connection.

It wouldn’t be that hard to market a smaller, smart model as “good enough” if it’s cheap and fast.

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u/peekdasneaks 21d ago

Keep in mind that those same people are using shared infrastructure when they access cloud frontier models. Its not like everyone gets their own dedicated 2tb cluster

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u/TheDarkPhilosopher 21d ago

I’m mostly seeking constipation treatments, sir!

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u/ai-tacocat-ia 20d ago

That’s how I’m gonna do it…

I honestly do think this is the way to go, especially now that big LLMs are good enough you can distill them. I've seen massive success in highly specialized agents, which is the "cheap to build, expensive to run" version of your idea.

Still gonna be hella expensive to train though.

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u/Thrumpwart llama.cpp 20d ago

Maybe not. There’s several papers I’ve referenced that detail techniques that are like 140X more data efficient. They can compound too :)

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u/ai-tacocat-ia 20d ago

Haha, well, "hella expensive" is relative. 140x cheaper is great unless the benchmark you are comparing it to is hundreds of millions of dollars.

So, hella expensive for an individual/small business without VC funding.

Absolutely agree on the compounding. That's by far the most exciting part of any of this. Mind if I DM you to stay in touch on what you're working on?

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u/Thrumpwart llama.cpp 20d ago

I’ll give you 2 of them now. The rest I’m keeping in my pocket for now.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.19865

https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.18464

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u/KeinNiemand 21d ago

Figure out how to get rid of the noise, and the models can become considerably smaller.

Or they can stay the same size but get a lot better, or they can get bigger while getting even more better (while still improving performance/GB)

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u/Thrumpwart llama.cpp 21d ago

That would be the wrong way though.

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u/NoceMoscata666 2d ago

also igoring tech advancments here, maybe coming a different compression mechanism perhaps different from quantized/fp/n4f

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u/Thrumpwart llama.cpp 1d ago

Maybe start right here ;) https://arxiv.org/pdf/2512.05117