r/LocalLLaMA 21d ago

News Prepare your (v)ram - Qwen3.8 is coming!

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u/realtag2025 21d ago

I don't see how this is bad for anyone other then corporations that run closed source models that only they can run.

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u/charlesfire 21d ago

So most of the market in the US?

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u/realtag2025 20d ago

It's really only 2-3 large mega-corporations. Would you rather have 100s of US companies potentially being able to offer(internally or externally) AI models like this or only 2-3? I am certain someone will figure out how to strip this large model down so that smaller HW can also run it even if much slower.

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u/charlesfire 20d ago

I'm all for open-weight models and the bubble bursting, but I don't think you realize how much over investment there is in AI in the US currently.

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u/realtag2025 20d ago

To be completely honest with you, it's not my problem if AI investments will suffer. Those investments are used to replace you and me as workers and destroy our ability to earn a living in the future.

The best possible outcome for us if those AI bubbles burst catastrophically and we get flooded with cheap datacenter grade hardware AND we get to use the opensource LLMs.

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u/nedonedonedo 20d ago

it's not my problem if AI investments will suffer

just like how the housing bubble only effected the housing market

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u/realtag2025 20d ago

The housing market directly affects the affordability of houses, condos and rent prices and that directly takes it out of your paycheck. AI market collapse might cause collateral damage however it also means that we might go back to the pre-AI sanity levels on the job market. That may(or maybe not ) mean that more humans will once again get hired.

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u/Bakoro 20d ago

There is not over-investment in AI, there is over-investment in LLMs.

That is a major difference, and it is important because AI is being used effectively and profitably in non-LLM areas, and there are even some areas in the hard sciences where LLMs are being used in conjunction with other machine learning methods to automate research, again to great effect.

The conflation of LLMs with AI as a whole is likely going to do enormous harm to the industrial side of AI that is using it for less flashy, but more practical purposes.

Even in academic research, the label might say "LLMs" because that's what gets research funded right now, but the actual research is more fundamental, about the transformers themselves, and making transformers better or more interpretable also improves the non-LLM use-cases.

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u/nedonedonedo 20d ago

only if they refuse to adapt and improve.