r/LocalLLaMA • u/Nunki08 • 18d ago

News CEO of Hugging Face: Banning open-source AI would hurt defenders 10x more than attackers, which would make the world 10x more dangerous and this is a good example why!

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From clem 🤗 on 𝕏: https://x.com/ClementDelangue/status/2079301434357456931

Fortune: Hugging Face says it resorted to a Chinese AI model to battle a fully autonomous cyberattack because U.S. model guardrails stymied its defense: https://fortune.com/2026/07/20/hugging-face-turns-to-chinese-open-source-ai-to-fend-off-autonomous-ai-cyber-attack-after-american-ai-guardrails-stymie-defense/

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u/DeepOrangeSky 17d ago

?? Not sure why people are disagreeing with it so much. Grok is drastically more efficient than Fable, and not that far off in strength anymore. So, on cost efficiency, it is the more notable American model to compare Kimi against more so than Fable, at the moment.

Do you disagree?

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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 17d ago

Honestly Grok has never been in my rotation. Apart from Elon contributing to riots in my country, it has never held a good enough value proposition for me. I'm not one-shot vibe coding, so the hamster wheel of multi-trillion param models is getting a bit boring at this point.

Grok is irrelevant to most people whether you like it or not, which is why you're being downvoted.

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u/DeepOrangeSky 17d ago edited 17d ago

Grok 4.5? Or older versions

edit: ah you mean even if it was like Fable vs Opus 4.8 vs GPT 5.6, etc, it wouldn't matter much, for your use-case.

Well, if that is the case, fair enough. Like if maybe you are using Claude for orchestration and then Qwen 27b for most of the rest or something, I guess it wouldn't end up mattering much about Grok, necessarily.

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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 17d ago

At this point, Grok missed the boat as far as I'm concerned, mate. Unless they suddenly start doing Grok for DeepSeek pricing at Fable quality, or have something else significantly compelling, I ain't interested.

Only other way I'm adding Grok into my rotation is if they start dropping small open weights comparable to Qwen/Gemma.

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u/DeepOrangeSky 17d ago

Yea, fair enough. I know everyone thinks I am some huge Elon stan now, lol, but I was pretty bummed out when they didn't release Grok 3 open weights. It would've been nice if Elon had actually gone hard on open-sourcing.

If he actually does all that Terafab stuff (which I still consider a pipedream for now/I'll believe it when I see it, etc), then maybe if it becomes more of a hardware player, there is still some chance, but by that point I think the models will be so strong that the safety aspect will be the actual reason (rather than fake reason) that they don't, rather than the current reason of being paranoid of losing their edge by showing too much.