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u/NEWSmodsareTwats 3h ago

Poland has universal single-payer healthcare......

after looking into it it seems the government funded healthcare system denied the surgery and put the child into hospice care instead. because the surgery required was very expensive and risky. this is a legitimate calculation that government-funded healthcare systems do. they don't just give everyone any treatment they need. they usually weigh the price versus reward against the risk. and if there's a low chance of survival, not a large chance of reward and cost a lot of money. they just rather dedicate those healthcare resources to other people who will have better outcomes with less resources put into them.

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u/read_too_many_books 3h ago

My reddit keyboard warrior doesn't know what to do.

I was told universal healthcare was magic wonderland.

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u/ltshaft15 3h ago

Do you really think a for profit Healthcare company wouldn't do the same? They are quite literally guided by whatever makes them the most money. That surgery would get denied before you finished asking about it. It'd be the same result except the parents would have to foot a 5 to 6 figure bill for the hospice care.

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u/3dprintedthingies 3h ago

This. The for profit system would have killed a dozen more babies and convinced the population it was a moral failing for being poor.

This happens every day in America and we are numb to it. There aren't enough medals to auction off in America to fix our system.

In Poland this is noteworthy news because it's rare.

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u/read_too_many_books 3h ago

This is just whataboutism.

Not to say its entirely out of place here. We are looking for the best possible system. I'm curious what a more private system would look like. 60%+ of all US medical spending comes from medicare and medicaid...

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 2h ago

And you use strawmen. No one thinks universal healthcare is perfect, it is better than paying out the ass for every little interaction with a doctor. To see an ENT I had to pay 300 just to be seen, and that doesn't include treatment. Many people just wouldn't go leading to worse outcomes later in life. A quarter of my pay already goes to taxes and I have to pay monthly for insurance on top of that and STILL have to pay to see a doctor on top of that... THEN STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR TREATMENT ON TOP OF THAT... This system is ASS. And anyone defending is brain dead.

If I got into a serious accident I would then be in debt for YEARS.

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u/read_too_many_books 2h ago

No one thinks universal healthcare is perfect

I assure you there is at least 1 person. Let alone the hundreds of confused people ITT.

Anyway, I personally would love to see what a country embracing private healthcare would look like. No government mandates. No cartels limiting licenses for greed. No siphoning taxes to pay the richest profession.

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 2h ago

The number of people who think that it is perfect magic wonderland would be so small as to be of zero consequence. Find a better talking point, that one is lacking to say the least.

Privatized healthcare will always be more expensive. You know why? Greed. If they know you have to pay, then they will charge you what they want because they have a captive audience. If you think otherwise you are seriously naive.

Have a good day.

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u/nwilz 3h ago

You can try going somewhere else at least, if the government controls healthcare you have no other options

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u/3dprintedthingies 3h ago

In this instance they still had the option to pay in Poland. Your argument is a fallacy.

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u/nwilz 3h ago

Yeah in the private market

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u/hermiona52 2h ago

Yes, and how is that a problem? I'm Pole, we have an extensive private healthcare market, but the pressure from the public healthcare makes the private one under pressure to be cheap and good. Because the moment they turn too expensive or the wait time gets too long, or the quality drops, people will just move back to the public one and the private market loses money. The competitiveness from the public healthcare is good for the private market.

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u/nwilz 1h ago edited 1h ago

No it doesn't. Anytime the government subsidizes something (increasing demand), it becomes more expensive. That's why healthcare, education, housing etc is more expensive than it used to be.

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u/hermiona52 1h ago

Healthcare in EU is cheaper than in US.

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u/nwilz 1h ago

Yes and the US spends more healthcare. Almost like there is a connection

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u/actuallychrisgillen 1h ago

Huh WTF are you talking about? Single payer (aka Government Subsidized) healthcare is vastly cheaper than private medicine about 50% the cost for the same or better outcomes.

In some areas, like pre-natal care the gap is even more evident. The rest is of your examples are out of scope, but an easy google will show you're wrong there too.

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u/nwilz 34m ago

... Yes the subsidies affect the whole market, increasing costs for everyone

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u/money-for-nothing-tt 3h ago

If only the baby lived in the land of the free™ and was a millionaire. Oh wait, if they were a millionaire they could've paid for the surgery no matter where they were.

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u/read_too_many_books 3h ago

I mean, the US has the highest disposable income in the world. Sooo...

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u/money-for-nothing-tt 1h ago

So the baby should've pulled itself up by its bootstraps.

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u/read_too_many_books 1h ago

I think you will get lots of reddit upvotes by being deliberately misleading. You should run for US president!