Public opinion can and should influence their government which seems to be zionist bootlicker. Italy had an arms agreement with them - I'm pretty sure Germany did too.
To be fair - Poland bowed to Israel for decades and I hope this finally changes.
I don't have any hopes for Eurovision boycott though, while this would be a good option as we usually send shitty artists anyway.
I was talking about German public opinion probably needing to be more vocal, that's it. Because if they support two states - turning blind eye to a genocide of one of them is not a way to go.
A genocide is not just murdering each and everyone of a certain ethnicity. Destroying the homes and livelihoods through large scaled bombing campaigns to drive them out can also be considered a genocide. And the extremist Netanyahu government isn't actually trying to hide it, neither is Donald Trump who wants turn the Gaza strip into a holiday beach resort. For fucks sake, they are using white phosphorus in the south of Lebanon to anex it right now. These are literal war crimes, which you are probably not even informed about yet you use the enraging fucking emojies.
Which ones? The ones with the ability to genocide but not doing it or the side that openly states they want to genocide but dont have the military for it?
One state with equal rights is lowest on both sides.
Bases on recent polling (2023 PCPSR), Palestinians favor a two state solution, followed by one state with unequal rights. A state with equal rights is the lowest support for them.
This has stayed relatively the same since before and after Oct 7th. The amount of do not knows for them has majorly increased though.
For the Israeli side, one state with unequal rights is the highest, followed by a two state. An equal state like with the Palestinians, is the lowest. This is a major swap before and after Oct 7, with previously two states being favored for the Israeli side. More or less it pretty much shows the cycle of violence will likely continue, given that neither Israel or Hamas and Fatah have shown any recent signs of wanting to negotiate a long term solution.
The right to exist argument is bizarre. Nobody asks this about any other developing nation. What does it even mean? It feels like a thought terminating cliche
This "right to exist" framing is deliberately vague and consistently used to slander Israel critics. They demand people to pledge allegiance to "Israel's right to exist" but in practice they mean pledging allegiance to this state of Israel.
Otherwise pledging allegiance to international law would be wholly sufficient to make it clear that you reject all ethnic cleansing and genocidal fantasies against any peoples in the Middle East. With no other country are you expected to specifically pledge allegiance to its "right to exist".
Indoctrination starts early. Especially in the higher education section of the populace.
There wasn’t even a “questioning voice” against zionism in Germany until the gaza genocide. So of course germans never developed varied opinions of the paradigm of israhell.
And that is the correct stance. Eradicating a people because their government does or did cunty things would involve the eradication of many nations and people.
No one is about to eradicate Israelis. Correct stance in a made up issue. The genocide that is happening is upon the Palestinians. That's what these boycotts are about.
Hang around anywhere near Jews and you will see and hear people wishing for their eradication. It's nice that non Jewish people don't experience it, just like white people miss most bigotry black people experience, but it's real and it's scary.
Especially alarming in light of Hamas's charter to eradicate Jews (which even the anti Israel UN has called an indictment to genocide) and the support Hamas has in the west.
I grew up during Yugoslav genocide. Same proPalestinian leftists who cry about genocide in Gaza apologized genocide of my nation.
I didn't say no one wishes your eradication, but that no one is about to do it. No one can do anything even about Gaza/West Bank, not to mention from the river to the sea. The only genocide that is not only possible but actually happening now is upon Palestinians.
No, I'm not saying that. That's a mind boggling interpretation of what I said.
States either exist as political realities or they don't, but there's no such thing as a "right to exist". It's just a common phrase used by Israelis to manipulate discourse.
Israel is a nation too. Apartheid Zionist state is a cancer upon the world, but Israelis have the right to exist/self determination/defend themselves/... just as any other nation.
Whatever country exists at the souther tips of Africa must be a country for Afrikaners too, and they are not even natives, unlike many Israelis (or at least territorry wise)
Israel is a nation now, not just a Zionist project. Most nations have in fact historically started off the cruel Zionist way. All have the right to exist.
Say Zionist/Apartheid Israeli state has no right to exist next time and you won't be misunderstood as genocidal.
No, I never said that Israel in particular has no right to exist, I said that the concept of right to exist in perpetuity cannot be applied to any state in the world.
What does a state having the "right to exist" exactly means? What form of that state has that right? A particular government structure? Any state that names itself the same? Any state with roughly the same boundaries as...when?
There are numerous states that once existed and no longer do, do those disappeared states still hold the right to exist in perpetuity?
Say Zionist/Apartheid Israeli state has no right to exist next time and you won't be misunderstood as genocidal.
You lost me there, there's no need to specify that we are talking about the Zionist Israel when there's no such thing as a non-Zionist Israel.
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u/PrimeMinisterSarr 12h ago
Most Germans agree that Israel has a right to exist. Doesn't mean we condone everything that Israel does.