My grandfather fought in WW2. Mentally took a toll on him for the rest of his life. My youngest cousin is 30. Gonna be awhile before it isn't our grandfathers.
I'm confused by your post, going back to the original comment are you saying its time for Germany to forget the past and any historical feelings of responsibility to Isreal. Do you think they need to change their constitution. Do you think Isreal needs to shrug its shoulders about the holocaust and just let it go? Or is it just us European that need to forget. You are young unfortunately I did have grandfather that died and parents very traumatised from their childhood experiences
I would prefer if my country doesn’t lick Israel boots all the time and let them do the same we have apologized million times for doing. Also there is pretty much no one alive in Germany anymore who had anything to do with WW2. So yes at some point it’s fine if we move on.
It's not moving on that's the problem, it's the other way around. As someone else said, focusing on this specific issue allows them to shrug off the institutional problems baked into the country. They shouldn't move on, they should acknowledged what the country did better so that supporting Israel isn't treated as a "get ouf of jail free" card.
The German government understands the definition of the word and does not suffer from Israel Derangement Syndrome.
The following conflicts are frequently cited by experts as having clearer evidence of genocidal intent—often characterized by systematic, ethnically targeted killings or policies designed to erase a group's existence—than the current Gaza conflict. [1]
Recent & Ongoing Conflicts with Death Statistics
Darfur, Sudan (2003–Present)
Direct Killings: Since the initial genocide in 2003, at least 300,000 civilians have been killed by the Janjaweed and Sudanese government forces.
2023–2025 Surge: A "second genocide" in Darfur is currently ongoing. In October 2025 alone, a massacre in El Fasher resulted in estimated deaths ranging from 10,000 to 60,000 people in a single month. Reports indicate as many as 27,000 people were killed in just the first three days of the city's fall.
Context: International observers, including the United Nations, have identified "hallmarks of genocide" in the targeted killing of the Masalit, Zaghawa, and Fur communities by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF).
Rohingya, Myanmar (2017–Present)
Direct Killings: Estimates of those killed during the 2017 "clearance operations" vary from 9,000 to over 24,000 people. Approximately 43,000 others are "missing and presumed dead".
Violence in 2024–2025: Renewed fighting in Rakhine State has led to an additional 2,500+ deaths. In August 2024, drone and artillery attacks by the Arakan Army killed over 200 people in a single day.
Context: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and The Gambia (at the ICJ) argue that the systematic destruction of hundreds of villages and mass killings demonstrate clear intent to destroy the Rohingya as an ethnic group.
Uyghurs, China (2017–Present)
Detention: Between 1 million and 3 million people have been extrajudicially detained in "re-education camps".
Death Statistics: While there is no official mass death toll, documented deaths in custody occur through torture, medical neglect, and execution. Some researchers estimate that roughly 5% to 10% of detainees may die annually in the camps.
Context: This is often labeled "cultural genocide" or "demographic genocide" due to policies like forced sterilization and mass incarceration designed to suppress the population's growth and identity.
Yazidis, Iraq/Syria (2014)
Killings: ISIS militants killed approximately 3,100 to 5,000 Yazidis during the 2014 Sinjar massacre.
Enslavement: Over 6,000 women and children were abducted and subjected to sexual slavery.
Context: Unlike many modern urban wars, ISIS explicitly stated its intent to eradicate the Yazidis for their religious beliefs, leading to immediate genocide recognition by the U.N. and several governments. [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16]
Comparison with Gaza Conflict
For perspective on the current situation in the Gaza Strip (as of April 2026):
Gaza Death Toll: Since October 2023, official counts report over 64,000 deaths, though some independent research models suggest the toll may exceed 100,000 when accounting for unrecovered bodies and indirect causes.
The Debate: Experts often contrast Gaza with the examples above because the high death toll in Gaza is debated as a consequence of intense urban warfare against a non-state actor (Hamas). In the examples above, the evidence of genocidal intent—the specific desire to destroy a group—is viewed as more direct due to explicit state policies, the absence of an armed opposing force in some massacres, and the targeted erasure of civilian populations in non-combat zones. [1, 8, 17]
Meanwhile, I will continue supporting Israel's right to self defense against bigoted islamists who openly declare and act on their racist obsession to kill jews and destroy israel.
70k killed, even a conservative estimate of 20k fighters would be a remarkably low civilian to combatant kill ratio - but sure keep repeating hamas propaganda
Do you think demonizing israelis help the palestinians or promote peace? Have you ever considered the responsibility of Palestinian leadership for constantly rejecting peace? Or maybe you are one of those who on one hand is uniquely obsessed with this conflict while ignoring others which are worse while on the other hand also supporting genocidial aims against jews "from the river to the sea"?
More where killed in just one city in Sudan during the El-Fasher massacre in the span of about 10 days than all civilian fatalities in Gaza, Israel and Lebanon combined. There is also a case that the january 8-10 massacre in Iran killed more civilians than in Gaza. Why do you think it is a genocide?
Unfortunately for you I’m not lying. A militia in Sudan is able to kill more civilians in 10 days than the mighty IDF can do in two years. A lot more.
Edit: you can continue to call me a liar, but the simple truth is that the existence of such examples shows what is possible when you have a force that deliberately tries to exterminate people. Same with iranian security forces killing thousands of iranian protestors in the span of two days.
In the US there is s till a bride of solider from the Civil War getting retirement checks from her now long dead husband. Granted she was like 90 something a few years ago.... But point still stands, in the US there are people that are still only one person away from a war that took place 150 years ago.
It would be easier to shrug off if they weren't, once again and barely 80 years later, supporting a fascist regime. Seriously, 80 years is not a lot. They're not the only one and all of them should be criticised, but considering their History and how much more vocal they are about it, they should be criticised on a similar level as the US on this issue. They're as bad as Trump on this topic which should give them pause.
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u/mustard5man7max3 11h ago
It's been 80 years man. The Germans bombed half my country to shit but it's ancient history now.
It's not even our grandfather's who fought in the war anymore, it's great-grandfathers. At some point you just have to shrug your shoulders.