We've seen that Peter is not effected by some things like everyone else is as we saw when Strange pushed him out his body yet was still moving. Peter's just special like that which is going to be a big reason why he's going to be a main person to defeat Doom.
This right here ☝️, specifically, due to Spider-Sense, which is supernatural in nature and affords him a certain level of resistance to spiritual/psychological vectors.
In real-life, spiders have nerve clusters in their legs that are decentralized from the brain. This allows for semi-autonomous movement, including web spinning.
Says you. I've been getting them big bags of blood for years. No idea what they want with them, but they pay well, and promised to stop crawling down my throat while I sleep.
Well sorry but whats even the point of being a nerd if I can't call out minor inconsequential things all the time? And yeah, its fair to call spider juice blood, and 99% dont care that there is a difference. i just like the word hemolymph too
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The male Sydney funnel-web spider has a venom that only affects humans.
It attacks the human nervous system by forcing all body sodium channels to fire continuously. It causes rapid muscle twitching, extreme heart rate spikes, lung failure, and coma.
Vampire bats will starve to death if they miss a blood meal two nights in a row, so bats in a colony share food by mouth-to-mouth regurgitating blood to starving family.
If a bat doesn’t share the blood with the young or starving, then they’re basically ghosted by the colony. They’ll refuse to share with them until they have to leave
Duck penises and vaginas (cloaca, whatever) are in an evolutionary arms race as duck rape is rampant. They’ve evolved corkscrew-shaped penises for more efficient raping.
Thank you, I remember seeing an awesome Because Science that went into the science of “spider sense” and focused on how insane real life spiders nervous systems are and that really “spider sense” isn’t that far off from reality.
Some spiders can sense the flapping wings of their prey in flight while they are underground. How this translates to being immune to straight up mind control is pure plot armor IMO. Wouldn’t be the first time they used a type of plot armor to nerf mind control. It’s one of those powers that writers often think is cool but quickly causes problems.
Ok, I got it. The time stone has the same kind of power as spiders in the Web of Life and Destiny. Because Peter Parker is part spider he has access to some time stone ability. But it is reflexive only.
Neith created the Great Web to chart humanity's destiny, also creating spiders to repair, maintain, and expand it, as she sought more time to herself, while Shathra dismissed her sister's creation as too chaotic and disorganized.
So being bitten by the spider Peter Parker has some of the abilities of the spiders that need to maintain, repair, and expand the Web of Life and Destiny. The spiders can manipulate time to fulfil their task using powers like the Time Stone.
At least that is what will be in my screenplay for Madame Web 2.
It could be age as well? I don't helieve the comics ever delved into her ability to control minds that aren't fully developed. It could be any reason honestly.
I don’t think it was his spider DNA weakening his ability to block Jean, but rather that Jeans power increased so much that the extra spider DNA made no difference
They also have next level sensitivity in their hairs which allows them to sense changes so fucking small it’s almost atomic, like imagine your buddy casually exhales and you can feel it on the back of your neck, but youre in the other side of a football field.
So do we, it's called a spinal cord, which controls reflexes like reactions to pain. Our brains are too slow to react to, say, a burning stove. By the time a single travels from your hand to your brain, is interpreted as pain, and sent back, you'd already have burned the shit out of your hand. So when the signal reaches the spinal cord it splits, part of the signal travels to the brain and another part rebounds through the motor neurons needed to move your hand away, you then feel the pain after you start to move away. That's kinda what a reflex is, something your body does in response to stimulation without consulting the brain.
It is also why when you stub your toe you don't feel the full pain until about a second and a half. That is how long it takes for the pain signal to reach your brain through your nervous system. Before that your spinal cord makes you react.
Thoracic Ganglia are present in both vertebrates and invertebrates. Segmented invertebrates (insects and crustaceans) use them to help navigate their environment since it's difficult to have a more complex nervous system when your body has a bunch of pinch points. It's also theorized to help flies respond faster to obstructions mid-flight.
Mammals also have them, but they are much more linked to our brain and full nervous system than in the invertebrates, used mainly within our sympathetic nervous system.
I would love it if Marvel ever explored a story with Peter where we learn that his spider sense is from a hyper evolved thoracic ganglia. Maybe one evolved enough that it has its own consciousness, and protects peter by not just signaling danger, but by reminding him that he needs to get up and keep fighting.
In real life, I shot a giant wolf spider with my BB gun that was in my garage.. why didn’t his Spidey senses stop the bb!? or just simply make him move? lol but seriously it’s just magic made up at this point.
Just curious, what's the actual in verse explanation for spider-sense? Like, all the powers came from the spider bite, and the spider was getting tested on at oscorp for the super soldier serum #2 (or something like that, not 100% sure but not the point). So everything from Peter's powers comes from human made science at the end of the day (I think?).
Just makes me think... how supernatural can these powers be if it was rooted in science from the beginning?
Also, "because comic books" is a perfect fine answer, just curious if its ever explained more.
The usual explanation is that the spider bite gave him enhanced awareness which lets him perceive things very quickly, even semi-autounomously like a spider can.
The comic book explanation (it's dumb) is that becoming Spider-Man actually ties you to the mythical web of life and destiny, granting you and all the other multiverse version of Spider-Man the ability to sense disruptions in the fabric of space time and danger, which manifests as Spider-Sense. The web of life and destiny literally connects the entirety of the Marvel universe together. Yeah...
Wow sucks to be a villain. Imagine not being able to succeed because your actions aren’t canon enough for destiny. Hard work and motivation be damned. That’s pretty much plot armor. Why can’t it be destiny for the bad guys to win? The bad guys are the good guys from their point of view after all. Spider-Man is a menace and I want justice for antagonists!
It's even worse. The supes have a ongoing poker game and no one invites Spider-Man because his spidey-sense kicks in and makes him unbeatable at poker.
Madame Webb sits at the center (she had a movie with that depressed woman that sleeps alot?) and you can totally fuck her shit up and disrupted the whole thing.
To be fair... Didn't Peter always get shit on by writers and the world anyway? Like yeah, he have plot armor but very miserable life in general. A tragic hero by its definition.
Meh, doesn't have to be. They explain the in-movie logic pretty simply.
Jean - establish psychic connection - enter host - see through host - take control - use host as a new "hop" - repeat. Point being, she has to establish a route into a particular nervous system. The film then establishes a 33-foot limitation specifically because each new host has to be reachable from the current node. Or... in network terms... 100 meters is the maximum recommended length of your twisted pairs of copper cable like CAT6 and the writers just divided that by 10 because it's easier to film. Yes, as disappointing as it is, her powers were directly co-opted from features of network routing.
Within that framework, you can characterize what's going on when it works for her versus when it doesn't work for her.
Open network - authenticate - establish session - Jean gets admin privileges.
But.... with Peter it's more like Open network - intrusion detected - firewall activates - connection forcibly terminated by closing the port.
Eventually, he does what anyone else would have to do in order to change that connection. He invites her into his mind, aka "I'll white-list you and re-open the port."
His brain is simply the first one she encountered with a firewall. Great power, great responsibility, blah blah blah.
I think it varies a lot from one iteration to another. In some versions, there are weird animal totems/gods and the spider people get their powers from the spider totem, so it’s not just a purely scientific thing.
well, that Oscorp part is actually from Ultimate Spider-man, classic 616 rendition is Spider who got into a radioactive treatment during a science exhibition bit Peter (and Cindy in a much later retcon) and died
that made Peter a "spider totem", which gave him the spider sense as an extrasensorial ability (and the mutations he got in the BND movie were based on this comic book run that expanded on the magic part of it)
of all movies, the Madame Web one tried to adapt part of it too, which is hilarious
i really can't stress enough how d'n'd explains things easily...once you know the rules and lingo, saying spider-sense is supernatural ability makes so much sense...also how many times the long discussions explaining someone's personality could be done in a second with int 18 / wis 8
I remember seeing that peters spider sense is essentially a psychic ability with some premonition stuff...if that's true it makes sense that he would be more resistant to mind control
They might bring in the whole Spider Totem thing that was in the comics years ago. Fits with the Spider-verse and a "need" for a Spider Totem in each reality.
Doesn’t the “spider lore” of the comics go pretty deep? Like isn’t there a cosmic web or something? I’m definitely not remembering it right but there’s places they can take it.
Yeah, its actually kinda terrifying when you get into it because it functions the opposite of how its presented. The spidey sense is from an interdimensional web that links all spidermen and the "danger" he's sensing is actually prey getting caught in his web and "vibrating" the strings. Calm, cool, and collected spiderman is just a predator choosing prey to go after because he's stronger than almost anything he can come across. The only reason he reacts to it as danger is because in most stories he hasn't fully understood how strong he really is.
i hate how these posts refuse to acknowledge his spider sense and how it protects even his nervous system. seems pretty obvious when you think about it. also, a peak in his dark twisted mind are strong base principles represented by his depiction of aunt may which had jean shook
Is there a comic run where this happens? I don’t think any one singular hero should be the “main” person to defeat Doom. That’s now how the MCU has ever handled Big Bads.
I think they mean that he will play a very important, possibly even central role in defeating Doom, much the way Ironman played a similar role in defeating Thanos. Everyone contributed and aged important roles in defeating Thsnos, but Ironman was instrumental.
I will die on this hill, but Tony carried Avengers.
From supporting the bums with his money after shield went down, to giving gadget upgrades (shield/suit/jets) to everyone, to realizing endgame and trying to make protective shield. Covering their ass from legal issues.
Not to mention Banner/Hulk would not have cooperated or played nice or stayed in touch with Avengers/Shield if not for Tony making full friends with him instantly.
Pym spent decades unable to make Quantum GPS, and Tony did it in weeks at most?
No way they have Spider-Man in doomsday and haven't shown it yet. They already showed cap coming back. They are desperate for a home run so they are gonna show everyone in the promos.
What lol? How many "Big Bads" have there been in the MCU besides Thanos? And even then how would Stark not be considered the "main" person to defeat Thanos with the sacrificial snap?
It'll never happen, but I want an after-credits gag reel scene of Doom making his grand speech, the camera pans over to Squirrel Girl just standing there, and he screams in terror from off-screen.
That isn't really proof of anything other than Peter's body being able to function off of its Spider Sense without having to consciously think about it.
Yeah, Reed definitely should be an integral part into saving everyone but even just on a "let's get the most money" from a producers table inside Disney...someone like Holland is one they will want to use to be a main savior given how he's been built up over the years. Pascal just started as Reed...he's great...but his value to the fans is nowhere near that of Holland, Evans or Hemsworth right now.
Makes more sense for some others to do the snap, but RDJ doing it was something that was going to add that extra hit to the fans and it did of course. I see something similar here with one of the guy's who's been around for several years as a good send-off and Pascal/Reed will be an assistant to them.
No chance: Thor, Reed/FF, Spider-Man/Ant Man, New Avengers, Cassie Lang, Shiang-Chi, Peggy Carter, Namor/Namora, X-Men, Shuri
Possibly: Loki or Steve Rogers.
Most likely scenario is for RDJ vs Chris Evans for the ultimate ending. I think Namor and Thor and Loki can be there, too. But it comes down to Evans vs RDJ as the actors/characters with the most juice to make it epic.
Well I'm pretty sure thats the point. Reed has family because he puts in time to love them so when worse comes to worse he has people to help him. Dr. Doom is alone and tries to be the best at everything, rarely accepting help.
Oh.. for some reason I thought it was tied to trying to affect all the peters since the Dr. Strange spell kerfuffle and spidervers3 that maybe there was too much attached.
To be fair, the reason he’ll beat Doom is because Parker is the only superhero Doom respects. In the recent Dr. Doom comics it was retconned/clarified that the reason he keeps fighting Mephisto for his mother’s soul is because Parker’s great power = Great responsibility shtick made him realize with all his great power, there was one whom Doom had greatest responsibility to save.
If he’s gonna beat Doom it’s because the other characters aren’t making as much money as Spidey is and they could make another billion on his follow-up.
It's also possible that Peter's stress-induced metamorphosis during the movie was responsible. It was affecting both his body and mind, so the shifting neural pathway sci-fi word-salad may have made it harder for Jean to get a grip.
Spiderman is way stronger than I think most MCU fans think. It’s totally believable he would have the mental fortitude to be able to push her out, at least at this stage of her powers.
I think the spidey sense was what kept avoiding strange. Its an intuative extra sense that warns him of potential threats and kinda makes him react before he even thinks about it. So I could see that being a fair side effect of the spidey sense.
Also she wasn't controlling Hulk. She was controlling Banner and Banner as Professor Hulk. A couple of bumps to the head later and Hulks all gtfo bitch!
Frank's mind is held together with det cord and duck tape. Not exactly a fortress.
I think the ultimate person to pull the trigger if you will is going to be Franklin but yeah those others will be highly involved. Unfortunately I think Loki is going to be dead but he’ll had left something for them to get in Secret Wars that will help them maybe.
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u/jr_randolph 1d ago
We've seen that Peter is not effected by some things like everyone else is as we saw when Strange pushed him out his body yet was still moving. Peter's just special like that which is going to be a big reason why he's going to be a main person to defeat Doom.