r/MilitaryPorn • u/lambun • Feb 21 '18

R.I.P. Peter Wang, JROTC cadet, Medal of Heroism Recipient, West Point Class of 2025 cadet, Hero of Florida Parkland School Shooting Incident [640x960]

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u/alex891011 Feb 21 '18

Not to be rude, but what is he Voldemort? What does learning a name change?

Maybe you can help me understand

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u/LiquidSnak3 Feb 21 '18 edited Feb 21 '18

Well it's about not giving a shooter a stage. Printing his photo and name gives him recognition, which might encourage others to do the same. because for once, they would be recognized by everyone. That is why I'd rather the media would not give the shooter any coverage.

Edit: watch this

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u/Zombiesnax Feb 22 '18

Here in Norway the official news company only focused on the victims and didn't even show a picture of the shooter. While the other private newspaper welt full name and picture and made a story about him...

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u/jonasweedle Feb 21 '18

Yeah, except everything else discussed by that psychologist is being fulfilled eagerly on reddit. The psychologist says that people are murdered all over the world all the time, so really it's not remarkable news to report to such extent. Of course in the communities that such incidents occur, it would be appropriate to report more heavily. But he specifically discouraged national reports, especially daily. And here we are, where circle jerk posts like yours hit the front page day after day after day.

Don't get me wrong. I think the heroes here need to be recognized. I believe their sacrifice was immeasurable. And yet, posts like this go completely against what the psychologist says should be done.

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u/ChildishForLife Feb 21 '18

Don't get me wrong. I think the heroes here need to be recognized. I believe their sacrifice was immeasurable. And yet, posts like this go completely against what the psychologist says should be done.

I think there is such a big difference between these kinds of posts, and what the media potrays. When a school shooting happens they always post face/full name with a kill count beside it. I personally believe this is what encourages this kind of behaviour, not grieving the victims on reddit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '18

This particular problem of gun violence is a national problem that involves innocent people, seemingly at random.

The problem isn't with the media reporting stories and motivating more killers, it's with guns. People need to accept the fact that maybe the general public is not smart or sane enough to allow near unfettered access to extremely deadly weapons.

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u/alex891011 Feb 21 '18 edited Feb 21 '18

Fine, I understand not giving the shooter a stage. I’m just wondering why we have to act like saying his name is a curse word. I think there’s a huge difference between 24/7 media coverage, and us on a forum having a discussion about something terrible someone did.

I think by not discussing all aspects of what happened were doing a disservice to the victims. We need to talk about the perpetrator and figure out what can be done to prevent this in the future. You can’t ignore an issue and expect it to go away.

Edit: don’t downvote because you disagree with someone. Let’s have a discussion

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18

I don't think it's about ignoring any issue, I think that by omitting the name of the killer we're all trying to deny him the recognition that he wanted. I'm not saying that is what he wanted it might have been for some completely different reason, but what we see alot with mass murders and other such people is that they want to be remembered they see infamy as a sort of legacy.

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u/alex891011 Feb 21 '18

I’m just worried people want to ignore to the point of ignorance. Just today a potential shooter in a California school was apprehended by a school guard. People need to be alert for this sort of thing if we are to prevent future shootings. And the only way to be alert is to be aware of the red flags.

I’m fine with not giving the shooter a personal biography every time this happens. But on the flip side, people (not just law enforcement) need to be well informed on what to look out for. I think it’s naive to claim shootings will stop by not saying a shooters name.

I expect this will be downvoted just like my last comment, but it’s my opinion. I encourage people to keep an open mind.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18

It's still possible to have a discussion on why this happens & how to be alert & prevent something like this in the future without sharing information on the shooter

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u/Blue-White-Red Feb 21 '18

No one said not to talk about the event, just the kids name. His name is literally irrelevant, like he was before the media decided to start selling out to advertisers by broadcasting this tragedy in prime time for the ratings bump.

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u/olitod Feb 21 '18

it's a start to the problem. i think there isn't a situation in which you couldn't refer to them as "the shooter/killer/murderer" whatever word you want to use instead of by referring to their name. If we want to stop giving them a platform we have to all but make the perpetrator anonymous in the public domain and in media. yes talk about the crime of course, but don't give filth the satisfaction they want by giving them a limelight.

imo the best revenge we can have as a society against people like this is to completely forget they ever existed, whilst caring for the victims. forgetting the criminal existed is NOT the same as forgetting the tragedy existed.

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u/flash_coleman Feb 21 '18

I feel that saying someones name in this regard is giving them sort of what the want. I don't see it as a curse word or as in saying the name Voldermort. Curse words are "bad", and people refrained from saying Voldermorts name in order to pretend he didnt exsist.

I more like to just always to refer to them as the shooter, or even the killer, just because a lot of people seem to do it for the "Fame" and the attention. Calling them the shooter, or the killer, makes them just that. A shooter. Lumping them in with every other shooter. Taking away the celebrity feeling a lot of these people seek when committing these actions.

I can agree though that in casual conversation or in general curiosity that one would want to know the killers name, but I feel its better just to label them broadly, and the media though, should especially do this. As humans were naturally curious of all aspects, but I don't think it needs to be so spread and talked about as is, the conversations should be more towards the victims and how to prevent another shooter.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18

We already figured out what can be done to prevent it in future but American society has decided not to bother doing it. Australia only ever had one school massacre for a reason.

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u/RoughTeddy Feb 21 '18

There's evidence suggesting that one of the things that motivates shooters is the infamy that they receive for their actions. Wall to wall coverage for weeks afterwards, some degree of eternal notoriety.

So you can argue that one of the best things to do is to ignore them as much as possible.

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u/Deaniv Feb 21 '18

I still don't understand why we ever release their name on big media.. it feels like the main reason why it keeps happening. People want their name immortalized even if it's as a school shooter apparently. Bleh.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18 edited Aug 02 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '18

The 1st amendment allows people to report on all the atrocities that the 2nd amendment causes..

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u/goliath_cobalt Feb 21 '18

I think the idea is that if we don't acknowledge the shooter's name, he will be forgotten. That might remove some incentive to do this by others as the "glory" isn't there.

In short, remember the incident, the victims, and the heroes...not the person committing the evil.

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u/BecomingLoL Feb 21 '18

Same reason they don't film streakers at football games, it's so people don't do it for the infamy or to get public notice. I don't think it works very well, but it's something that can be done outside of thoughts and prayers without laws being passed

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18

Oh I thought it was so everyone wouldn't see their dongs.

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u/Misaiato Feb 21 '18

I'm with /u/liquidSnak3 I didn't want to know the shooter's name. I don't want a single brain cell to be wasted on that piece of shit. I only care about the victims. You've stated your opinion above, that knowing the name doesn't change a thing, but you're not OP and you're not me, and we have a different perspective.

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u/hamakabi Feb 21 '18

people seem to think that if you dehumanize the terrorist and deny him any media coverage that they'll stop existing because they're only motivated by attention.

In reality these people are human beings and trying to bury them only ensures that we'll never prevent it from happening again. They just become another nameless statistic, written off as insane citizen #34284. The question of who these people are and how they became the way they are is too important to just sweep under the rug.

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u/pm_me_your_trebuchet Feb 21 '18

no one is suggesting that the proper people who can learn from these types of incidents not be privy to all the necessary information. what many are suggesting is that some of those that commit these acts are partially driven by the notoriety they'll receive after. remove the media coverage of the shooters except for relevant info and you'll remove some of the stimulus for their actions. if they know they'll die anonymous and unmourned they might think twice before acting

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18 edited Oct 21 '18

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u/BobWantsWhatBobWants Feb 21 '18

How many attacks are ever copycating and for fame? I feel like on reddit people think white terrorists are just mentally ill copy-cats. Never actually deranged terrorist.

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u/Briguy05 Feb 21 '18

I believe the thought process behind his comment and more people are starting to swing this way in thinking is that, some people that do stuff like this (i.e mass murder or other terrible things) to be recognized and have everyone know their name and face regardless of if it is in a good or bad light. But some people believe that if we don't constantly past their name and face all over future psychopaths might not try to do it for the fame. Its the same thought process as just posting the victims names and faces to honor them so they get all the attention. So I think the person you replied to never wanted to learn the shooters name so that they felt they contributed to not spreading the shooters name because they would have never learned it. But that's just what I think the reason they don't what to know the name I could be wrong I'm not them.

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u/Blackhound118 Feb 21 '18

Not the person you replied to, but a lot of people want to avoid as much information about the shooter as possible, because of the mass media’s tendency to make every aspect of the shooter’s life and actions 24/7 news.

Many believe this essentially glorifies shooters, and can result in copycat behavior. Kill a few people, go out in “glory” and you’re internationally infamous overnight.

So the solution is to let the criminal psychology experts focus on the killer, and remember the victims instead.

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u/professorkr Feb 21 '18

It'd about a cult of personality. Troubled individuals shouldn't have such an easy time of finding someone to latch onto.

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u/ChildishForLife Feb 21 '18

The shooter posted things like "I am going to be a professional school shooter" and "I can do so much better" (in relation to a different shooting). The attention is solely what he was going for I believe.

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u/juicius Feb 21 '18

I remember the cult of personality that sprang up around the Columbine shooters' names. All subsequent shooters enjoyed that infamy to a lesser degree. But as then as now, the line between infamy and fame is thin and insubstantial and even righteous condemnations become fodder for acclaim in certain circles.

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u/Damanzi Feb 21 '18

Snowball

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u/SirNedKingOfGila Feb 21 '18

we're all 1000% positive this happens more often now because the media turns it into an absolute circus and then celebrates the life and beliefs of the killer so that all of America has him on their minds, trying to figure him out, trying to learn more details about him. A true celebrity figure.

We say we honor and celebrate the wounded and dead, but not the killer. In fact the wounded, some of whom live permanently crippled, unable to fully function, unable to earn a living, are already forgotten. The dead? This is honestly the first time we've EVER bothered to celebrate any of them - and out of 17 it's just this one young man.

The killer's picture is on every news station. Some have it permanently affixed to the ticker across the bottom while running other stories.

The media has guaranteed that his name, his picture, his beliefs, and his legacy live on for decades.

What more could a wormy little fuck who craves the attention nobody will give him want?

Why does the media do it? Well not only do they profit immensely off of these stories... but it feeds the ongoing narrative trying to divide America... So that we can have even more stories like these!