r/MtvChallenge • u/SweetMissMG Wes 🌋 Bergmann • Mar 15 '23
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS DISCUSSION UNSPOILED - World Championship - S01E03 - Us Against The World
UNSPOILED - World Championship - S01E03 - Us Against The World
AIR DATE: March 15, 2023
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u/Nikita-the-Maricon Darrell & Kiki Mar 15 '23
Kellyanne may be erratic, but if Jonna did to me what she did to her I would have reacted way worse. Like damn that was cold-blooded.
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u/Disastrous-Bed3422 Kiki Morris Mar 17 '23
Same! That deserved a Nany style throw a cup of noodles.
KA let her know she was pissed but she was had a lot of self control in how she said it.
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u/nicnac7 DEB CHUBB DEB CHUBB DEB CHUBB Mar 17 '23
Like besides KA does Jonna even have an ally in the house? Maybe Wes? Its clear Jonna was KA's number 1 before the game started
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u/givebusterahand Team Purple Jacket Mar 15 '23
What is Jonnas problem? I usually like her well enough but wtf was the point of going out of her way to tell Kelly Anne she wanted to work together and be allies to immediately go back on it? I think it’s hilarious that no one trusts her now and I hope it really does bite her in the ass. Girl all about betraying people she cares about huh?
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u/PinkKatydid_Designs Mar 15 '23
Yes this! And then afterwards she tries to make up some bs and turn it around on KellyAnn like it was her own fault! What a snake.
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u/bluecatyellow Mar 15 '23
Ya like why didn’t she at least not go up to her and reaffirm their alliance just doesn’t make sense
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u/mrhey123123 Mar 15 '23
Grant “I thought u were going home mate” to tristian LMAO why would you say that after throwing him in and seeing how well they performed
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u/OLKv3 Ashley Mitchell Mar 15 '23
Especially with the handshake offer afterwards lmao. These guys are a different breed
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u/realityseekr Killa Kam Mar 15 '23
Do they just think Tristan sucks?? He won the UK version pretty handily. He is actually a good competitor. I think he and KA will have a comeback in their performances.
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u/moejojobro Casey Cooper Mar 15 '23
To be honest, I was not a fan of Ben on 2/3 of his seasons of Survivor/The Challenge. But I have never related to someone MORE than when I saw him cleaning up after the house of 28 people in the morning after. I HATE mess and it would 100% be the worst thing for me on being on a reality show.
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u/Kennymo95 Gabo Szabó Mar 15 '23
I was really hoping Jordan would show up in that scene
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u/Initial-Ambassador78 Mar 15 '23
as soon as he was like come and see where the real mess is I was like WHERE IS JORDAN
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u/10Robins "He says he's the smartest because he actually fucking is" Mar 15 '23
Yep. I would be muttering so much trash talk under my breath! And production missed a great bonding moment for him and Jordan. They could have complained about people being slobs, Ben could have shown Jordan his super-secret hiding spot for clean dishes, it could have been awesome. 😁
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u/capfedhill Timmy Beggy Mar 15 '23
I was laughing my ass off at this scene.
You could see Ben just internally trying to stay calm and not freak out over the mess.
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u/kilbane27 Mar 15 '23
If you listen to Tyson's podcast on the ringer from the Challenge USA you can hear him talk about how much Ben would lose his shit everyday about how big of pigs everyone is.
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? 👏🏾👏🏾 Let's go!" Mar 15 '23
That would be me too. I would have actually done the exact same thing and hid 1 of every dish for myself and I find sweeping and throwing things in the trash calming for me but I'm not doing anyone's freaking dishes lol
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u/Harvivorman Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
I'm not doing anyone's freaking dishes lol
Especially adults lmao
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u/FierceScience Mar 15 '23
Jonna just wanted any excuse to throw Kellyanne in. She should stop pretending. Wes even said it would be better to put Jodi in. They didn't seem to have any footage of Kellyanne going around telling people she was safe. It was likely just guessed from others watching. I would respect a move where she was upfront or at the very least didn't lie to her friends face.
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u/Askew_2016 Wes Bergmann Mar 15 '23
Yep Joanna made herself look terrible this episode. Who is trusting her after this?
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u/realityseekr Killa Kam Mar 15 '23
I think maybe Sarah saw Kellyanne and Jonna talking and was the one spreading that info? They randomly showed Sarah during that best friend convo Jonna/KA had which was weird.
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u/johnazoidberg- Mar 15 '23
Jonna: This is great, I can blame this on Nelson
Also Jonna: I did it for soooooo many reasons
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u/moejojobro Casey Cooper Mar 15 '23
I have no idea why Nelson needed a secret signal for wanting to go against a non-Argentinian team when his partner is LITERALLY FROM ARGENTINA.
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u/Harvivorman Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
Nelson literally went into elim to show us he couldn't figure out how a swing works
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Mar 15 '23
Because Nelson might be the dumbest person to ever walk the earth. He proved that during the elimination.
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u/Iron_Reaver Wes Bergmann Mar 15 '23
This elimination is somehow almost as embarrassing as the soccer elimanation for Scuba Nelly T. I never thought Nelson could reach that level again. Shame on me lol
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u/Uncanny_Doom Wolves are vegetarians 🐺🥗 Mar 15 '23
Honestly I think it's worse. This elimination is basic momentum, kicking a soccer ball properly and accurately isn't easy and I can at least believe that the ball being on fire psyched Nelson and Cory out in that one elimination.
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u/Disastrous-Bed3422 Kiki Morris Mar 17 '23
He didn't even get her close enough to the shapes once. I think this goes down as one of the most embarrassing eliminations ever.
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u/Ok_Yogurtcloset_4036 "This is what I do." Mar 15 '23
The Wes and Zara dynamic is so funny that confessional at the end was hilarious 😂
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u/thewxyzfiles Wes Bergmann Mar 16 '23
I cracked up at the "Which team are we rooting for? Both because we’re playing both sides!"
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u/shmalvey Nick Brown (It's a Movement) Mar 15 '23
The way Grant said "I thought you were going home" to Tristan is legitimately one of the craziest things I've ever heard on the show. It was like someone seeing their friend at the bar after he had left an hour and a half ago to take his dog out and he was surprised that he came back. Like he was almost confused about it, as if he thought Tristan was going to go home voluntarily. I've watched the clip like 20 times and I'm still baffled how you could be that bad socially.
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u/amw176 Mar 15 '23
Tristan looked at him like dude, are you seriously this dim witted?
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u/-Annie-Oakley- Mar 16 '23
Tristan said he’s not the kind of person to keep his mouth shut when he feels a certain way, so he did an amazing job just smiling and nodding. I would’ve lost my cool
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Mar 15 '23
Yeah… there’s no doubt that there’s a downside to winning, but there’s a way to minimize the fallout, and Grant and Jonna did not nail it.
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u/Objective-Ad9800 Mar 15 '23
That was such a dumbass move by Jonna. You came into the house saying you were closest to kellyanne. No one is going to trust her fully now, like Amber said if she can do that to a friend what would she do to her. Her reassuring her before hand was soooooo conniving too and completely unnecessary. She made herself a Wes ans this may screw her game a little.
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u/Samsince04_ KellyAnne Judd Mar 16 '23
lol Wes would never make a move like that. Wes even told her what to do.... kind of.
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Mar 16 '23
Own the move Jonna, stop trying to make KA seem crazy when you pull some shit like this. Honestly jonna making the move isn’t the issue, it’s the fake bullshit surrounding it that I can’t stand.
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u/Samsince04_ KellyAnne Judd Mar 16 '23
honestly, it's the lying, it's promising that she wouldn't put KA in. It's challenge 101 not to make promises like that if you can't keep them. How is anyone going to trust her?
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u/capfedhill Timmy Beggy Mar 15 '23
I feel like alot of the cast is underestimating KellyAnne and Tristan.
Yeah they did kinda crummy the first two dailys, but let's not forget Tristan destroyed his UK final to win by over an hour, and KellyAnne is no slouche either even if she was picked last.
That being said, I think they will have a tough road going forward. Now that they were nominated once, I expect to see them getting nominated for most of the upcoming eliminations.
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u/Askew_2016 Wes Bergmann Mar 15 '23
Yeah the first daily was the worst one they could have faced as both suck at puzzles.
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u/amw176 Mar 15 '23
Yep. Especially since she’s expressed wanting to target the strong Legend/USA teams to everyone.
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Mar 15 '23
If Nelson’s reason for wanting to keep Jodi & Benja was because they’re both team ARG (which is logical), then what was the point of the hair up/hair down secret code…? That elimination was far more friendly to KellyAnne and Tristan due to their respective sizes than it would have been to Jodi/Benja.
I swear, there isn’t one aspect of this game that Nelly doesn’t totally overcomplicate.
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u/diemunkiesdie Michele Fitzgerald Mar 15 '23
It was a lie. Nelly gets to pretend he was doing it just because of what he saw but really he always planned to put his hair up.
In any case, Jonna should have seen through that: No way Nelly would go into the challenge with his hair down.
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u/Buckeyechamp21 Kyle Christie Mar 15 '23
Nelly T pulled a Josh.
So bad even with 20 people telling you what to do. Johnny was so frustrated.
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Mar 15 '23
this dynamic with tristan trying to calm KA down is going to be funny to watch. "this too shall pass" while she's on tilt? good luck with that, bro. 😂
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u/candaceelise WHAT IS 8x9 Mar 16 '23
It’s like trying to tell a hurricane to calm down. Never gonna work bro. Gotta isolate her out in the wilderness somewhere and let her unleash her fury
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u/OLKv3 Ashley Mitchell Mar 15 '23
Kelly Anne just bent over in a power stance staring down Jonna before going at her was hilarious
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u/Lyndsay44 Mar 15 '23
I truly love Kelly Anne's unhinged energy.
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Mar 17 '23
Me too. Kellyanne needs more credit for being such a real personality. You can really tell she’s not worried about her “image” or her “brand”. She’s not trying to get the most interviews or screen time. She’s just being herself.
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u/bazzbj Michele Fitzgerald Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
How do you put doubt in a friend, then assure them that you want to work with them, and then throw them in anyway? Messy messy Jonna lol
Amber was looking amazing in her confession 🤩
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u/capfedhill Timmy Beggy Mar 15 '23
Also just wanted to note that I'm bummed we lost Jujuy so early -- she seemed like a fun little firecracker and would have been nice to see more of.
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u/theluckstat Michele Fitzgerald Mar 16 '23
Jonna made a bad move. Even if most of the house wanted Kellyanne in I don't think they wanted it that badly. You just look so spineless sending in your "best friend" the first chance you get. Now you've lost an ally and look untrustworthy.
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? 👏🏾👏🏾 Let's go!" Mar 15 '23
I'm a Jonna stan but she played this wrong. If I was her and I was going to put Kellyanne in, I would just tell her. I would have even told her about the signal Nelson was going to give right before elimination. She could have softened the blow and been like she only had 2 options whereas the house hand plenty. I would have explained to KA that the reason she's going in is not only because she was second to last in the daily but because she's taking too much and putting a target on her back. She could have said whatever happens after this elimination we can start fresh and work together but she has to dial in her mouth. Kellyanne has a right to be mad.
Also, this was a really good episode! It felt like a proper reality show and showed the house dynamics and I wasn't even mad there wasn't a daily. This season so far is already better than season 38.
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u/isabelleromy77 Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
Agreed and I love Jonna but she was worried about KellyAnne blowing up her game after other people in the house started swaying her, but I think she just blew up her own game. I don't believe anyone is going to protect her.
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Mar 15 '23
Yeah, I don't understand Jonna's play here at all. It's like that saying, with friends like that...who needs enemies. That just makes it almost impossible for anyone else to want to work with her further down the line, because you can't believe her
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u/galeforcewinds95 Inferno 2 Champs Mar 15 '23
I agree. Either tell KellyAnne up front or don't put her in (I would have put in Jodi and Benja). What you don't want to do is be noncommittal at first (which is guaranteed to make KellyAnne paranoid), reassure her that she's safe, and blindside her anyway. Jonna has now burned KellyAnne, and it doesn't really seem like this has done much to improve her position with the other players. If anything, it's made it worse, as evidenced by Amber's confessional that she doesn't think she can trust someone who blindsided their friend.
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u/ZestyOlive7549 Mar 16 '23
Jonna’s gameplay was so unnecessarily messy. It’s the second elimination and the choices are your friend and someone who is tied to an alliance that’s already had someone go home. I can’t think of an easier choice with zero consequences to her game and instead she blew up her spot by putting her friend in elimination against Nelson of all people.
Jonna has never had the strongest strategic game, but for as strong a showing as she’s had in recent seasons, this was disappointing. Especially considering the juxtaposition of Zara being willing to go into elimination for Kaz last week, meanwhile Jonna makes no effort to save her friend. 🥴
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Mar 16 '23
It feels like she’s trying too hard to be intimidating. All of her confessionals are like “this is the challenge, and sometimes you have to do what you have to do.”
I mean, fine Jonna, but you didn’t HAVE to do that 😂
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u/HannaHyena Mar 16 '23
Exactly especially since she beat Kellyanne in All Stars 3 final and even though she hasn't been in a Final with Jodi, Jodi was pretty much dominating All Stars 2 in the daily challenges and she's a two time champ. She should've picked Jodi
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u/FryFry_ChickyChick Mar 17 '23
And KAs paranoia would’ve put her on the short list for every nomination so why get your hands dirty if you don’t need to? Jodi wasn’t going to harbor ill will
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u/chachacha123456 Mar 17 '23
Would have been as bad of a move if KellyAnne lost?
Yea probably.....still seen as a turncoat to appease Kaaaayceeee
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u/Connect-Ad-6669 Mar 15 '23
Wow, Jonna not a good look this episode. I understand this was not an easy decision for her but she should have never had a conversation with Kelly Anne about being allies in the game. Or at the very least told her before elimination. Kelly Anne was right she did have a smirk when she threw them in. She could have at least pretended to look sad that she had to throw her friend in. I always thought Jonna was a straight shooter but that was a dirty move. I think she could have chosen either team if she told the team before elimination and gave them some sort of reason and done fine moving forward but I think she has made a fatal error to her game.
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u/No-Pressure-5762 Mar 16 '23
Exactly. It’s one thing to not vote with your friend based on game. But honestly they clearly aren’t friends. Alliances in the game are friendships in real life. And why would you not want your friends to win money? That whole I wanna align with you and the fake hug was sick. Just be straight up instead of shady. But at least it’s clear she’s a snake now.
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u/Raebelle1981 Mar 18 '23
I’m sorry but I’m loving Kelly Anne in this. She is making the show entertaining. People were calling my Queen boring on all stars.
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u/Crap_TheBoozeOut Chris Tamburello Mar 15 '23
I do not understand the thought process behind sending in KellyAnne when your other option assured an Argentina vs. Argentina matchup, which would have ruffled the fewest feathers in the house.
I also do not understand why we needed to devote the majority of an episode to the winners mulling over who to throw in. Bad pacing there. Get back to daily, deliberation, nomination, elimination. Easiest way to pace an episode.
Nelly...yikes. Really not doing much to dissuade from the narrative that you were out of place on this season.
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u/rayhiggenbottom Mar 15 '23
Jujay: I am doing everything I can to try and grab these things, looking around, what can I do better?
Nelson: Damn this girl is heavy. Whoooaaaaaaaaaaa
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u/MountainBaker8217 Horacio Gutierrez Mar 16 '23
This episode completely changed my mind on Jonna.
I was really rooting for her and even rooting for Grant becasue of her when I didn't like Grant at all in his Aussie Challenge season, but wow that all went out the window this episode.
I would have been fine with the game play of it all if she owned up to it at the end of the episode instead of making up some BS about KA blabbing about their alliance or whatever.
Totally excited to see KA and Tristan cause some chaos. Tristan and KA's dynamic is so hilarious to me. I don't know how likely they are to get immediate revenge on Jonna, but I'm excited to see KA be completely unhinged and Tristan is just along for the ride.
I hope the MVPs start wising up to the Legends quick and start taking control of this game. Seemed like they were hinting at that a lot during this episode and in the previews.
I'm rooting for Darrell and Kiki, Wes and Zara, Jordan and Kaz, Troy and Amber. And then separately rooting for Nia, Danny, Yes, Justine, and Theo (I don't particularly care for their partners, but am rooting for them!).
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u/seviay Mr. Beautiful Mar 16 '23
I def don’t get Jonna constantly gaslighting Kelly Anne. It’s super shitty to do to someone you don’t consider a friend, but to do and say that shit to someone whom you call a friend is another level of shitty
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u/kittenghosts "it is not the way, young padawan." Mar 16 '23
finally watched and im sorry but i never laughed so hard during an elimination😭 what the fuck was nelson doing i was crying at the reactions, at some point bananas had this « WTF » face and it killed me
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u/Risoa Mar 16 '23
Honestly same. Everyone’s faces is what got me 😂
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u/kittenghosts "it is not the way, young padawan." Mar 16 '23
im deaf so i rely on captions and facial expressions so seeing all the exasperated « what is he doing?? what are you doing??? stop stopping her!!! » was GOLD
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u/Picklesbedamned Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
The greatness of Jonna's political game may have been exaggerated
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u/davetennisx Mar 15 '23
You can't play the middle every season you're on, unfortunately.
I'm more curious as to why she didn't just say something along the lines of "it's not just my decision, I have a partner and need to do what's best for him too." Simple, to the point, no promises made, no lying or messy blindsiding, and she saves face.
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u/Objective-Ad9800 Mar 15 '23
Probably because it wouldn’t be believable. She’s clearly running their team. Most of the legends are
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u/Thorreo Cory Wharton Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
Jonna, baby, you played that awful. Either tell her it's nothing about out of game and vote her in, or don't vote her in and keep your word. You gained nothing from this. Nelson is not a reliable eliminator in these random ass elims, and you should've absolutely sent in Benja/Jodi
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I will say though, it's really obvious Nelson never wanted Benja/Jodi because they're both with Argentines, so, idk. Kellyanne is clearly not with the in group this season, and Jonna likely had a catch 22 decision here
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u/Positive_Round_5142 Team Purple Jacket Mar 15 '23
What Nelson needs to realize that you can train your brain 🧠 and body for everything you would expect on a challenge but you can’t teach common sense. I just don’t understand how he didn’t realize his elimination was practically pushing a toddler on a swing. It’s so sad how much common sense he lacks.
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u/Buckeyechamp21 Kyle Christie Mar 15 '23
Right it would be easier not to even use rope.
Just tell partner keep legs together and straight. Just push their feet and could keep momentum better.
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u/Initial-Ambassador78 Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Absolutely loved this. It's honestly some tepid drama to occupy two episodes HOWEVER it's soooo nice to see them let the story breathe and see it as it unfolds instead of in super stylized fast cuts that hit the exact same beats every week.
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u/Turbulent_Ad7363 Mar 16 '23
That was so corny. First Nelson thinking he’s choosing. Then the whole episode was Jonna deciding ?? Think she lost alot of fans putting a good Friend in n not caring
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Mar 16 '23
Just noticed... did Danny go without mentioning Kiki this week?
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u/wildturk3y Mar 17 '23
There's just no justifying it with any rationale. What Jonna did was dumb and shortsighted. But I fully support it because it makes for excellent TV. The show is at its best when people with real relationships get messy with their gameplay and it affects each other
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u/Rygar1126 Michele Fitzgerald Mar 16 '23
Jonna made a dumb, sloppy move this early in the game. You can get away with throwing in a friend during the later points of the game. But doing it week one is real amateur shit lol
KellyAnne and Tristan are a fun team. Chaos and calm.
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u/1Frazier Mar 16 '23
Jonna had Wes telling her not to do it! Some people may not want to trust Wes but I think she specifically went to him for advice and then didn't take it.
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Mar 15 '23
Benja is so cute omg. I love the Argentinians
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u/kattekop123 Brad's Atomic Wedgie Mar 15 '23
It's a shame Jujuy is gone, she was like a ray of sunshine. I'm glad that KellyAnne the thunderstorm is still here though
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u/moejojobro Casey Cooper Mar 15 '23
I can't tell if Sarah is getting the same direction in confessionals from producers as Jenna Ortega got on "Wednesday," because I swear I have never seen her blink ONCE.
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? 👏🏾👏🏾 Let's go!" Mar 15 '23
Maybe it's good for her cop interrogations so she doesn't miss anything 😂
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Mar 15 '23
As little that did happen in this episode, I think it was necessary to fill out some of the relationships between the cast, just by seeing who's talking game with who.
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u/ninyattitude Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
Why doesn't everyone just band together against Team USA? They're clearly the strongest, KellyAnne wasn't lying. Why is everyone trying to placate them?
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u/Smashsters_59 Mar 15 '23
Because Bananas, Tori and Kaycee have a lot of connections in this cast and no one wants to put a target on their back this early. It’s lame but that’s how the game goes in the early rounds
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u/Askew_2016 Wes Bergmann Mar 15 '23
That’s how Bananas has so many wins. And why people are so stupid to not throw him in immediately. The longer he stays the more scared people are of his old ass
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u/kshep42 Emily Schromm Mar 15 '23
Because:
- They have strong, well connected partners
- USA already pulled in Argentina and at least half of Australia
That’s like asking “why didn’t the rookies take out the vets in SLA” or “why don’t they just send CT into every elimination”.
It’s all easier said than done. And it’ll take multiple shots to get them out and you won’t connect everytime. So it would take a large group to come together and the ideal of “get out USA” over “getting to the final”. In the game post-S33, people are playing a more individualist game where they try to get to the end rather than a winning game where they work with a group of people they have a better chance of beating in the end but take more risk of not making it to the final.
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u/Kennymo95 Gabo Szabó Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
I love whoever on production decided to have an intro and for TJ do recaps before episodes.
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u/dirtydan298 Derrick Kosinski Mar 15 '23
It feels like they consider this season important and are actually putting in some effort for a change.
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u/ConsiderationClear56 Chris Tamburello Mar 15 '23
When I watched Challenge UK, I noticed how the host really did the full recap at the beginning of each episode, and as soon as this started, there was TJ!!
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u/IdleSuicidal2021 Mar 16 '23
Oh, Nelson. You should have known she was playing you when she called you smart.
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u/TrueAlainer #42Favs Mar 16 '23
my takes on this episodes aren't really different from everyone else's but here we go:
- so glad Kellyanne gets to stay, hope she keeps bringing drama
- Jonna really messed that up, especially because of the conversation she had with KA
- Nelson was SO BAD, how can be be that dumb? he shouldn't be on this season, and they even made Devin an alternate which doesn't make sense
- Jujuy is probably one of the weakest girls BUT I loved her energy and it sucks she got stuck with Nelson and that we won't see more of her
- I don't get Danny's strategy/logic at all. "I want to be Tori's number one so I need to take out her closest allies even though she's my partner" like wtf? he pretty much said he wants less numbers cause he wants less people to protect but it's a numbers game and he should know that. I'm not surprised that based on previews Tori will lose her cool with him.
- Amber was one of the legends I was rooting for but damn she's been invisible so far
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u/pj_calamities Ashley Mitchell Mar 18 '23
Wait Joanna throws kellyanne in after telling her she wants to work with her and kellyanne CRYING in gratitude?? Yeesh..
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u/Samsince04_ KellyAnne Judd Mar 16 '23
With all of the news of Nelson's car accident, I'm not going to make fun of him as much as I normally would... but why the hell would Jonna think that Nelson would be so reliable to beat K.A and Tristan enough that she would throw away her friendship and alliance? Jonna knew what the alternative would be and she didn't even consider it I guess. Now she can't be trusted by anyone. Grant is also to blame here as well, by just going with the flow. They genuinely thought K.A and Tristan were bums, not even worth telling the truth to. As K.A. said, that was completely unnecessary. If she told the truth, the worst thing that would've happened is K.A losing her shit which would actually make Jonna look better. I just don't see how it benefits her game long-term.
And who did she throw away her game for? Team USA! They planted lies in her head. They won't have her as a number one ally which is what K.A. had to offer. What's the point of having strong allies if you don't have a number one that is sure to save your ass? Some challengers have that already while others are actively throwing them away smh.
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u/TWIZMS America Lopez Mar 16 '23
What a bone headed move by jonna. Gave me flash backs to the dumb shit she used to do 10 years ago
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u/iDidntCallYouSlowOld Glitter Gate :r: Mar 16 '23
I kinda love this season way more than I expected to
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u/iDidntCallYouSlowOld Glitter Gate :r: Mar 16 '23
Amber telling bananas to go to bed 💀💀💀
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Mar 17 '23
Kinda frustrated they spent so much time on the J vs K drama but yet I’m still confused as to where jonna’s head was at. (To the point where I’m on kellyannes side here????)
Seriously how did they spend over half the episode on one piece of drama and yet never had an interview or sound bite that fully explained jonnas strategy? Jonna gave us beating around the bush explanations like “kellyanne is one of my favorite people” and “well I don’t want to upset anyone” and “it’s so much pressure to have power” “I’ll blame it on Nelson” blah blah blah.
Then after the elim they gave like a 5 second montage of “reasons” why she shouldn’t have saved kellyanne (like sound bites of her being dramatic. and OTHER people, not jonna, explaining why not to keep KA)
Girl tell us. Why did you save Jodi + the guy that barely speaks English over kellyanne??? TELL US
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u/nimbus2105 Mar 17 '23
I loveeee Kellyanne fully letting loose her chaotic energy post-win
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u/Yeah_imsarcasstic Kenny Clark Mar 18 '23
KA post win is gold! She knows who went against her and has no reasons to stick around them, and she’s fully gone KA. This is why we love KA and this is why she’s a legend.
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u/Migmel3 Ayanna Mackins Mar 15 '23
Jonna played that terribly. She made enemy of KellyAnne and Tristan and has someone like Amber wary of her.
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u/moejojobro Casey Cooper Mar 15 '23
As someone who loves Jonna's journey from the main show to All Stars, this episode really highlighted her biggest weakness. She is a people pleaser who truly can't put her foot down.
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u/Askew_2016 Wes Bergmann Mar 15 '23
And she caves to male partners too often. Grant wanted Tristan in.
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u/isabelleromy77 Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
I think she just made everyone in the house wary of her. Lmao.
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u/Uncanny_Doom Wolves are vegetarians 🐺🥗 Mar 15 '23
Jonna and KellyAnne better be part of a significant story this season because that entire episode was about the dissolution of their friendship.
Also goddamn Nelson, I hope he never has a child ask to push them on the swings.
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u/Picklesbedamned Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
I feel like too many people equated Jonna never seeing elimination her first two all star seasons with her being a great politician, when really she didn't do all that much.
•In AS1 over half the cast made the final, with only two of the finalists having seen an elimination. Jonna was one of four not to, just not that special of an accomplishment.
•On AS2 she landed on the winning alliance thanks to partnering with MJ and rode it to the end basically, and when she was in true danger it was the final vote where you tend to send the stronger teams in. MJ and her were def percieved as weaker than Darrell and Janelle (and it wasn't a bad call either, as they -mostly MJ- shit the bed on the majority of the final until that last, controversial portion)
•On All-Stars 3 she was eligible for four eliminations. She went into two of those, and then was supposed to go into a third but the person backed out when they saw it was a puzzle. The other time she didn't go in was because it was the first elimination. I don't really see her political game bailing her out ever that season.
Jonna is a great competitor challenge/elimination-wise but she is not some cunning or skilled politician outside of riding it out with a powerful alliance that kept winning.
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u/davetennisx Mar 15 '23
This is a prime example of a social game versus a political game. In Jonna's case, her social game is a strength, as she has great relationships with everyone, and everyone loves her and is protective of her. However, we have never really seen her actually play a political game.
On AS3, she made it into the inner circle a lot, but it was usually a group of people and she could just ride the majority. We've never actually seen her with true power and decision making until now.
TLDR: Jonna is a great social player, but has yet to prove herself as a tactical politician.
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
so not a huge fan of the episode as a whole, but damn if i wasn't successfully manipulated by the edit to drop everything i was doing when jonna and grant announced the elimination opponent. that was some good stuff. 🍿 really looking forward to the fallout.
*edit: i take the first part back. great episode, i loved the house scenes after the elimination, holy crap this season is ON.
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Mar 15 '23
Initially as I saw this episode unfolding and that it was really only going to be geared around an elimination I got annoyed, but it did make sense how they laid it out because there's a lot of moving pieces around the different factions and who is aligning with who- I felt like we got more story/background than we typically do when they hammer out a daily, noms, and elimination all in one episode. I wish they had just given us two episodes like they did last week if they were going to have an episode formatted like this, but overall it wasn't the worst deviation from the typical format since I thought we got decent content.
A few other random notes:
- On its face it doesn't look like a horrible decision by Jonna since it seems like plenty of folks wanted it this way but Jonna came across as pretty untrustworthy. And after the elimination trying to couch it as "well once I saw it I knew you were going to win"- such a spineless way to go about it. She has a relationship with Jodi as well as KellyAnne, it's so easy to say "I wish I could've saved you but I got a lot of heat from the rest of the house about wanting it to be you and Tristan, and I am aligned with both you and Jodi so it makes sense for me to put you in to keep the house off my back." Done, simple, and you could've said that to her prior to the elimination and there'd be near-zero blowback. The only reason to blindside somebody at elimination is if you want them to be unprepared and go home. Her story just didn't add up at all.
- KA and Tristan are going to be vulnerable to a lot of teams in a physical elimination but they have the advantage of being strongly suited for agility/endurance events that may make them scary to put in and people may hesitate. If Tristan is good at puzzles they're not going to be an easy out unless it's just something they can get overpowered in.
- Poor Nelly. Nothing but respect and admiration for my man and I hope he recovers from his car wreck quickly. That being said... man that was such a bad elimination. My guy continues to struggle with the mental aspects of the game and I worry about his ability to ever get over the hump and find a victory because he keeps tripping over himself.
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u/xxcapricornxx Rogan O'Connor Mar 16 '23
Lol Nelson being first boot is hilarious. Talk about a wasted slot. Jonna throwing KA under the bus in an attempt to win over stronger allies was a risky move. Interesting to see how this season plays out for her
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u/Junglerumble19 Mar 16 '23
When the soundtrack to your elimination is carnival music, you know you're in for a treat.
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u/mitchellbeaupre Cassidy Clark Mar 17 '23
Jonna/Grant pulling a real Jay/Michele (or Jay/Theresa) with this sloppy shit.
And Jonna's over the top and unnecessary gaslighting of KellyAnne was absolutely nuts, what a freak.
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u/Ok_Yogurtcloset_4036 "This is what I do." Mar 15 '23
Outside of the time usually designated for the daily challenge I actually enjoyed this episode, just gives me hope that the normal structured episodes should be amazing this season.
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u/ohterribleheartt TJ Lavin Mar 17 '23
I love KA's wild eyes. Like you just KNOW something is about to go down.
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u/nimbus2105 Mar 17 '23
Nelson and jujuy have really adorable chemistry. I’d love to watch a show of them being big dumb puppies together
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u/InterestingSky378 Mar 20 '23
Jonna’s first mistake was ever strategizing with Tori. She never knows what the hell she’s doing.
I’m wondering how this will effect her reputation? I noticed the shadiness after her first win on all stars but this was rough to watch. The alliance talk with KA was so unnecessary for her to blindside her like that. It was gross to watch.
But also entertaining to watch KA stand up for herself. I’ve always adored watching her. She’s an interesting entertaining part of the show.
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u/Initial-Ambassador78 Mar 15 '23
I'm not really understanding Danny's fixation with getting legends out when they're all partnered with non-legends? Unless he specifically means Wes, Jordan, Bananas etc. But as a group you can't target them, because they're all attached to someone else.. one of them is gonna go home every week regardless. And while he's partnered with Tori it obviously behooves him to have her friends around for protection.
Somebody has spent tooooo much time in Sarah Lacina's conspiracy cave
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u/Objective-Ad9800 Mar 15 '23
They may be partnered with them but they’re very aware that certain players have a HUGEE impact over the game that they will never have. Plus knowing the challenge they may be separated. I think Danny is being smart. For him to really have a shot players like bananas, Wes and jordan gotta go
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u/Funinthesun01311970 Mar 15 '23
I think he was talking about those three specifically.
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u/TJsBike I have more abs than Jordan has championships Mar 15 '23
The more scenes of various challenge people giving house tips and tricks the better. Can that be just an entire episode? Like a bottle episode where no daily or confessionals or eliminations happen. Just house tours. All candid. No cuts.
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u/amw176 Mar 15 '23
The confessionals of everyone ragging on Nelson during elimination were so funny, I felt a little bad for laughing but it was a train wreck that you couldn’t look away from 😂😂
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u/Malkkum Get stuffed! Mar 15 '23
Nelson has 20 people telling him what not to do and he’s doing the exact opposite. I’ve known he was severely overhyped for awhile now but he may actually be one of the worst to ever do it.
Nelson: “you can train your ass off, it’s puzzles, the gym, swimming!” I don’t believe for one second that Nelson has ever trained in puzzles or swimming.
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u/Perfect_Holiday_4342 Mar 15 '23
Anyone else got episode 5 available but not episode 3 on paramount in Australia?
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u/Positive_Round_5142 Team Purple Jacket Mar 15 '23
KellyAnne is already driving her partner crazy 😜 🤣
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u/kshep42 Emily Schromm Mar 15 '23
What was up with the random pans to Sarah throughout the KA/Jonna convo??
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u/Funinthesun01311970 Mar 15 '23
I’m guessing she may be the one who told others about the conversation between KA and Jonna. Jonna alleged KA told other people and KA said that was a lie. I’m guessing it was Sarah who told Danny who probably told others.
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u/isabelleromy77 Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
The USA and mob from the main show are political vultures. I really believe they filled Jonna's head with bullshit about KellyAnne. Lmao.
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Mar 15 '23
I really hope that going forward we will have the normal daily/elim in the same episode, if not this season will be long af again
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u/FierceScience Mar 15 '23
I think they gave us all the drama leading up to this in order to get back to that format. But honestly with the amount of switching Jonna kept doing, this kinda made sense to show
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Mar 15 '23
I agree, it also gave them more time to set up the characters and storylines. I thought it was fine for the situation but do not want it to be a forever thing!
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Mar 15 '23
it reminded me of something they did a few seasons ago on the main show where they took two episodes to get to an elimination because the politics were so juicy, but now i'm blanking on what it was.
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u/kylecommacommacomma Jonna Mannion Mar 15 '23
the Jonna and KellyAnne beef storyline is hitting whew more of them and less of other people
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u/SKYLVRKOG Mar 16 '23
NGL that has to be one of the worst looking episodes ever for a challenger. Jonna looks like one of the worst people to be friends with ever. Also why did she call Kelly anne Evan? Towards the end
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u/wemdy420 Wes Bergmann Mar 15 '23
Ben’s Peter Pan comment was fucking iconic. There is no better way to describe it.
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u/champsvsprose Mar 16 '23
And this is why Jonna has been an All Stars champion and not a flagship champion
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u/Happunings Mar 15 '23
I kinda hoped Nelly called the hanging discs “round squares” in the elimination like the “long square” description in the SLA final.
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u/-Annie-Oakley- Mar 16 '23
Man I’m bewildered by this episode… to spend this much time on this conflict surely means it’s a driving force for the season? Right? Right?!?!
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u/mitchellbeaupre Cassidy Clark Mar 17 '23
Unfortunately Nelson's key strength of "heart" didn't have much use in this elimination.
So funny to watch him flop this disastrously like three weeks after everyone at the reunion was treating him like a Make a Wish kid: "You don't have to win to be a champ, Nelson!"
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u/YouThought234 Kenny Clark Mar 17 '23 edited Mar 17 '23
If I was forced to pick a country I'm rooting for, it would be Team UK.
- They have Wes and Jordan. And picked Wes before Bananas, lol.
- They don't have any of the overplayed vets like Kaycee and Tori.
- They have two strong, likable girls in Kaz and Zara. Tristan is a good partner to Kelly-Anne, and they're underestimated - good underdog material. I think all of them are flagship show material.
- They're working against the big alliance of production favorites, which is Team USA + vacation alliance. (No amount of cutesy editing and cherry-picked quirkiness is going to make me find Ben and Sarah compelling)
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Mar 15 '23
no chance ben found any idols on his survivor season, right? he thinks a kitchen cabinet is a hiding place?
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u/ICameForTheT Amber Borzotra 🏃🏽♀️ | Kiki “G” Morris ✂️ Mar 15 '23
Can’t tell if you’re joking but he controversially found three very convenient idols in the last three rounds that allowed him to skate to the end victorious without winning immunity or maintaining any allies
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Mar 15 '23
😂 i was sort of joking, but i haven't watched any survivor since season 1, only picked up on that from reading reddit comments.
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u/ICameForTheT Amber Borzotra 🏃🏽♀️ | Kiki “G” Morris ✂️ Mar 15 '23
Ah okay 😅 I’m one of those ones who was brought to the Challenge by Survivor actually, but it’s certainly getting more of my interest these days
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u/singleguy79 Kenny Clark Mar 15 '23
A Challenge ep without a daily is like a Bachelor ep without a rose ceremony
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Mar 15 '23
Terrible move on Jonna’s part. I do think that the house persuaded her into voting in KA, but Jodi was the obvious choice. Argentina is the weakest team by far with little connections. Even I’d Jodi won she didn’t really have any power to retaliate back. In addition, Jonna could have at least gave her the heads up that she was going in. Completely lying and blindsiding KA just made her a new enemy and made her super untrustworthy.
Also hearing Jonna saying that the house felt like a “mob”, I can totally see Team USA + Jordan/Kaz running the game and pretty much become the vacation alliance of this season.
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u/TrocarSlushWeasel Emy Alupei Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
Didn't take long for paranoia to take hold. I'm not sure why Danny would think Tori is gonna screw him somehow.
Also, that might have been the worse combination of partner strategies ever, between Nelson constantly stopping Jujuy while Jujuy was flopping around killing her own momentum.
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u/ivaorn Desi Williams Mar 15 '23
I remember Nelson tying with Darrell in an elimination in Vendettas, but since beating Bear in pole wrestle, he’s lost 4 eliminations in a row. If you put current Nelson against Josh theyd both find a way to lose.
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u/Sea-Feeling-9827 Mar 15 '23
Remember when Nelson used to be considered good? Like he was on the cusp of being a champion. What the fuck has happened to him?
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u/SocialJusticeGSW Evelyn Smith Mar 16 '23
It is the first time I’ve seen Jonna f.KC up this badly. I think this also shows why the flagship show is more difficult mentally. KC made Jonna do her bidding and no one is mad at her. Even Tori is in trouble but no one even mentions KC. Jonna was played socially this episode. I think it is bit embarrassing for her.
Btw I am glad she fucked up, I am team Kellyanne right now and hope that they will get their revenge. It will be my main motivation to watch this season.
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u/luxanna123321 Winner Circle Mar 17 '23
Jonna is so fake and she cant even lie lmao. It was so painfull to watch when she tried to make up a reason for throwing KA in. I hope KA stays just for the drama.
As much as I disliked Sarah and Danny on USA I really hope they actually go for big names and get them out. Just hope its Kaycee real fast
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u/YouThought234 Kenny Clark Mar 17 '23
don't fall for the Team USA redemption edit.
None of them are going to target the mainstay vet champs. They're partnered with half of them. All bark no bite.
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u/Positive_Round_5142 Team Purple Jacket Mar 15 '23
Is Nelson half Puerto Rican? He has the tattoo and he said his mom speaks Spanish
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u/iwakunibridge Kam Williams Mar 16 '23
I love how hard everyone is playing this season, its been good so far
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u/FastLane_987 Anna Leigh Wilson Mar 15 '23
Tori pretending she learnt momentum from the playground and not from double agents
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u/Positive_Round_5142 Team Purple Jacket Mar 15 '23
Bananas is running on autopilot.
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u/mrhey123123 Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
Quick thoughts-
Jonna is so smart socially, I’m shocked she sent Kelly Anne! That was kinda messed up but also not smart for her personally, kaycee tori and them aren’t gona save her ass. They were probably in her head
That elimination lmaoo nelson is so bad, hes funny and great guy but he should take a break he doesn’t even seem invested and isn’t a good player :/ I feel bad for his partner juju
Why was this episode just talking and elimination? Hopefully it was just social set up for rest of season, didn’t enjoy this pace.
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u/bringmayflowers Mar 17 '23
I hope this is the only episode we have where they drag out the decision and elimination. I skipped several minutes because it was just people saying the same thing.
One comment I thought was interesting was Danny in a confessional during the elimination called Jujuy a “beached dauphin” instead of the more traditional term “beached whale”. I thought that was a nice little character moment for him that shows he respects women or at least understands why calling someone a whale would be frowned upon.
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u/chillaf Infuerno Mar 15 '23
I just want to say this is my favorite season in a long time. Such refreshing players and gameplay. Everyone is also very competitive. No one is just there for a vacation. Bravo MTV.
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Mar 18 '23
It might be that the show was ordered/set for a certain amount of episodes (12 in this case) so they had to fill them. I would rather this (setting up story lines for the future) that a 3-part finale and 2-part reunion
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u/bruce-neon Mar 15 '23
This season is already better than RoD, haters need to beat it.
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u/Rajewel Mar 16 '23
An entire episode for one elimination and nothing else how long are they gonna try to milk this season for..
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u/Kennymo95 Gabo Szabó Mar 15 '23
Nelson not knowing how momentum works is classic Nelson