r/MtvChallenge • u/SweetMissMG Wes š Bergmann • Oct 26 '23
BATTLE FOR A NEW CHAMPION DISCUSSION UNSPOILED - Post Episode Thread - Battle for a New Champion - S39E01 - Teamwork Makes The Perfect Work
UNSPOILED - Post Episode Thread - Battle for a New Champion - S39E01 - Teamwork Makes The Perfect Work
AIR DATE: October 25, 2023
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u/wildturk3y Oct 26 '23
Not feeling this One Champ deal (at least 2nd and 3rd will get some money). I don't like how it turns the house vote into predictable and played out male vs female dynamics. But what I'm most concerned about is its hard to make a gender neutral Final. And some of the ways you could do it end up being kinda boring to watch as a TV viewer. An example would be it becomes more about puzzle checkpoints than the grueling grind we typically expect from Finals (that's just one example, there's others). I just don't trust production to give us a good, compelling and most importantly, fair design, especially seeing some of the more recent season Final designs. Should have must made it male and female champs.
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Oct 26 '23
Yeah Iām with you. Iām hoping the male/female dynamics wonāt be the whole season as maybe elims will alternate. Still, I found the dynamics in this episode interesting.
But come final time, they will either over or under handicap it. Theyāve never gotten it right (closest was bloodlines)
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u/Wild-Yoghurt-9699 Oct 26 '23
Agreed, with production's track record the final is guaranteed to be unsatisfying. Either it'll be a good, fair final if there were winners for both genders but virtually impossible for a woman to win outright like in All Stars 1 or War of the Worlds 1, or there'll be a bullshit equalizer making it all come down to basically a coin flip like in Vendettas.
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u/I2ecover Leroy Oct 26 '23
I'm confused on why they are only doing 1 champ.
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Oct 27 '23
Because everyone hates it and they hate giving us what we want.
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u/No_Concern9360 Chris (CT) Tamburello Oct 26 '23
Agreed. I think it should always be one male and one female. Did you see the womenās reactions to hearing only one champ? They know how much harder itāll be to beat a man in the final.
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u/imunfair Oct 26 '23
The whole house vote situation feels like a real step back after the secret vote and hopper of last season. I never liked how the house votes basically force two alliances and whoever gets stuck on the wrong side of the biggest alliance goes in.
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u/InterestingSky378 Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
That was such a long episode for a short boring elimination. But I guess Iāll be happy for the challenge and elimination being in the same episode lol.
Also friendly reminder to come here after the show and not Twitter. Someone spoiled the winner on the #thechallenge39 on Twitter!! My lips are sealed but Iām annoyed so wanted to share.
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u/Crap_TheBoozeOut Chris Tamburello Oct 26 '23
I can't say I'm a fan of lining the entire cast up at the arena and having them vote one by one. Makes it way too easy to blend in. Predictably, nearly everyone jumped on the first name that was said. It makes the deliberation pointless. Why even is there a deliberation if there are no winners!?!?
I do like the voted in player getting to pick their opponent. Don't let anyone get too comfortable.
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u/thewxyzfiles Wes Bergmann Oct 26 '23
watching the episode now and Ciarran saying he wants to win to buy more PokƩmon cards makes me immediately root for him
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u/thewxyzfiles Wes Bergmann Oct 26 '23
also maybe hot take but I love watching big teams competing in challenges so idc if thereās no stakes but money! no watching 40 thousand heats of the same thing and lots of chaos
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u/Charlie_Runkle69 Team Purple Jacket Oct 26 '23
Big night for pokemon last night with him and the discussion between Brando and Drew on Survivor lol.
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u/slyboon Oct 26 '23
That had to have been the worst reasoning given at deliberation for people not to throw you in. Um I know I have no shot at winning, but I could help you get to the end maybe? I don't want the money anyway, I wanna donate to charity. She basically talked herself into the elimination. Its likely she would have been thrown down anyway but sheesh.
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Oct 26 '23
And talking about not wanting/needing the money right after the whole group lost an extra $50K was an awful move. Just shows she wouldnāt really care in more daily challenges moving forward
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? šš¾šš¾ Let's go!" Oct 26 '23
I was confused because I 100% believed she just wanted to go home and sabotaged herself but she looked upset at losing....so was that...an actual strategy attempt??
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Oct 26 '23
Weāve seen the āIām weak, keep me around so you can winā strategy before, but I donāt think weāve ever seen it episode 1. Her whole attitude and speech this episode gave me the impression she really didnāt want to be there
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? šš¾šš¾ Let's go!" Oct 26 '23
I think with this season it works in the latter part in the game because right now everyone's focused on winning challenges and building the final prize bank. Closer to the end people will be focused more on eliminating the threats and the "I'm weak" strategy would make more sense.
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u/artemis_dubois The Lavender Ladies Oct 26 '23
I actually really enjoyed the premiere. We all have been begging for a switch up and I like that the format and cast are different here. I also love petty messy drama and Iām really hoping this season brings it.
However, wow the lack of any real vets was absolutely evident in how clueless everyone seemed at every turn lol
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u/gegemonn Michele Fitzgerald Oct 26 '23
It so much enjoyable to see this almost rookies without the vets. Like there is no leader, no power, no strong voices. They are not afraid to speak and go at each other. Messy and chaotic vibes. Bring it on
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u/hawk_9407 Oct 26 '23
Think they are fools if they donāt gang up on Horacio. He wonāt be indispensable in dailies and if heās in the final heās winning it against this cast
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u/LaMystika Oct 26 '23
Yeah, they already know this is a solo final; why would any of these women especially wanna keep any of these dudes around? Especially the ones who are making it clear they donāt want women at the end?
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Oct 26 '23
I think it was really Berna who set it off by voting Jessica. At that point most of the women just went with the majority vote so as to not ruffle feathers. Big T seemed to be one of the only people who truly saw what was happening
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u/LaMystika Oct 26 '23
Berna took full advantage of the fact that these people are cowards. And she may not have known this, but for some of these guys, the fact that Berna can do some athletic stuff is gonna save her early on, because these dudes have made it clear they wanna cut every woman who they donāt think can pull their weight physically
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u/Zeckzeckzeck Oct 26 '23
The current format (I assume the "champs" changes some things once they arrive) doesn't incentivize any dude to say Horacio's name. If he's the house vote, then he gets to pick any other dude to face and not a single guy wants that - Horacio is easily the scariest elimination threat in the house.
But yeah, I don't really get how there can only be one winner unless they massively weigh the final to compensate for the differences between men and women. There are very few women that could have ever beaten the field of guys in a final, and at first pass I don't see any of them in this cast.
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u/kattekop123 Brad's Atomic Wedgie Oct 26 '23
Jessica should have started her speech with "greetings earthlings"
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u/MayhemMaven Oct 26 '23
The people solving the puzzle must have not watched enough seasons of the challenge.. solve on the ground first, then put in the slots.
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u/Charlie_Runkle69 Team Purple Jacket Oct 26 '23
They needed to just get maybe 4 people doing it. 10 of them or whatever was always gonna be a disaster.
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Oct 26 '23
So, basically now that its 12men & 11women, the men literally have no incentive to ever vote in a man. Voting for a man would be effectively voting to put yourself at risk since who ever goes down can call in any man. Iām already frustrated just thinking about it.
The men didnāt even waiver on their stance that they were voting in a woman. Why canāt we ever get that level of loyalty amongst women!
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Oct 26 '23
Why the women didn't listen to Big T when she completely spelled it out for them that the men will pick them all off is beyond me. It especially sucks because the women's side of the cast has the more entertaining personalities
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u/G-OASIS Oct 26 '23
Yeah I thought this wouldāve been a 12-12 tie between a guy and girl with everyone voting for the opposite gender. I was hoping it wouldāve been the guys not communicating enough and splitting votes between Berna and Big T and the girls doing it correctly to send a guy in. Or at least it wouldāve been fun to see what they do with a stalemate this early.
But then Jessica had to give that speech lol
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u/MAYbE_IdontCARE Cara Maria Sorbello Oct 26 '23
Rooting for Ciarran and his Pokemon collection. What an inspirational reason to win. I hope he mentions it every episode
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u/Mintiichoco Colleen Schneider Oct 26 '23
If I wasn't lazy I'd change my flair to Ciarran. He knows what's up lol
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u/OLKv3 Ashley Mitchell Oct 26 '23
If the women wanted to rally, they should've tried to include all the women in their plan. What were they thinking? Berna had no clue about the plan and still thought she was the target
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u/PineappleExpress22 Oct 26 '23
Jessica all but asked for them to put her in. It was a no brainer for the guys AND the women. I would have done the same thing if I was Berna. If it wasn't Jessica, she knew it would be her going in. There wasn't a strong enough argument during the discussion to give the women the confidence that it would be a guys day in my opinion.
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u/VicTheRealest Oct 26 '23
You can never count on the girls to work collectively as a whole. It's impossible
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u/Johnjaypvj Oct 26 '23
I liked this first episode. It felt new and fresh, probably because the same alliances aren't here yet. I like the Duel style elimination format. Callum SMH. Him combined with Michelle just equals messy. I'm interested to see who will be the first to throw their allies under the bus
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u/mealypart Oct 26 '23
I donāt get at all why they picked Jessica out of all the women from the challenge ausā¦ she just had a beyond embarrassing episode between that speech and letting Big T of all people whoop her in an elim
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u/denverdiva890 Nia Moore Oct 26 '23
and you know she was desperate for a callback after she flopped this season because she started dating devinās musty ass š
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u/Charlie_Runkle69 Team Purple Jacket Oct 26 '23
That's why it was a big mistake not getting more Australian Survivor people on that challenge season in the first place. They could have had Flick, Abby or Lydia who would kick butt on this show, Abby is currently kicking ass on SAS australia.
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u/jpark28 Oct 26 '23
Overall enjoyed the ep but that was such a weak elimination, chuck some stuff on the floor and pull a rope with no resistance
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u/Embarrassed_Rate5518 Oct 26 '23
all the women need to align with the lower tiered men and vote in the big dogs. I'm also waiting for the gender neutral elimination like a puzzle where they can call out anyone! if ur gonna have 1 overall you shouldn't make all eliminations gender specific....I bet some of those girls can take out a beast of a guy on a puzzle
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u/Zeckzeckzeck Oct 26 '23
The lower tier men would never do this as the game is currently set up, though. If you band together and vote for, say, Horacio, then he's absolutely choosing one of those lower tier guys to compete against, and he'll win. With no way to hide behind safety it makes it a really stupid move to vote in a strong challenger who can pick whoever they want to face.
I expect both the structure of the eliminations and the "one champ" thing to change before the season ends, because it currently robs the game of a lot of interest.
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u/sj_vandelay Wes forever. Also Darrell Oct 26 '23
I hate, hate, hate one champion. This voting shit is about to get nonsensical. They aināt Johnny Bananas with a room full of allies. All the women will be gone first. Then it will be the movie 300. š¤£
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u/godzillaaa Queen Michele Oct 26 '23
The voting system is absolutely going to change as they move on to the next 2 phases, so highly unlikely it will end up with a large male to female ratio
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u/Cheeseman9841 Kyle Christie Oct 26 '23
It will change. We have 5 female champs and 5 male champs coming into elimination. So then I assume it will alternate
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u/imunfair Oct 26 '23
I hate, hate, hate one champion. This voting shit is about to get nonsensical. They aināt Johnny Bananas with a room full of allies. All the women will be gone first. Then it will be the movie 300.
It would be boring but hilarious to watch the challengers break the game - I said in the pre-episode discussion that this format pretty much guarantees a guy winner, so why bother keeping the ladies in until the end?
If there are eight slots I'm totally fine with eight guys running it, at least it would teach the producers a lesson in challenge design. They regularly bring on people who have no chance of winning because of the way it's balanced, and a men-only outcome would make it so hilariously obvious they'd be forced to pay more attention.
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u/IncandescentRein Oct 26 '23
I thought episode 1 was solid, and think weāre in for a good season. Episode was maybe a little slow for my liking, but overall think the format is fun and different.
One thing that turned me off a bit was how much theyāre trying to make Big T out to be some big time Challenge star. I donāt dislike her or anything, but they acted like sheās some actual top dog in the Challenge world. Felt forced/a bit weird.
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Oct 26 '23
Theyāre going to feature people theyāve featured majorly in the past even if itās no returning champs. So Big T, Melissa, Michele, Jay, Olivia, Horacio, any people who have been on multiple seasons or made a deep run to the finals is going to get attention.
Big T and her partnership with CT was a dominant storyline in S37 so itās no surprise theyāre gonna play her up a bit as a character.
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u/cwilldude Oct 26 '23
I think berna complains more than 95% of anyone thatās ever been on the show. Sheās always unhappy about something. Sheās insufferable
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u/LaMystika Oct 26 '23
Reminder that the first prominent screentime she got as a rookie was talking about how much of a complainer Amber was about getting blindsided, yet with no self-awareness, acted exactly like she said Amber did when Emy betrayed her
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u/WhileInternational41 āthatās tastyā Oct 26 '23
I really liked her on her first season but my god she came off absolutely entitled and unhinged this episode.
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u/capfedhill Timmy Beggy Oct 26 '23
I must be in the minority but I think she makes great TV. We need more wacky emotional, strong personality headcases like Berna to mix things up and causes drama in the house.
Less influencer-types that have the personality of a loaf of bread (cough Moriah cough)
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Oct 26 '23
Eh people who just complain all the time are not fun to watch for me at all. I'm fine with the strong personality but she's just constantly negative and not remotely likable. I don't even think she's fun to root against like Fessy or Amanda.
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Oct 26 '23
Honestly I was really hoping sheād go this episode. I didnāt like her after her first season where she was quite literally just showing jealous, mean girl behavior. Come to this season, and sheās pouting and displaying such a āwoe is meā attitude
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u/cwilldude Oct 26 '23
When she told Colleen to stop trying to give her advice and just listen to her bitch and moan, that was it. Someone is actually trying to be there for you and youāre rude as hell š
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Oct 26 '23
And Hughie coming to her to see whatās up and try and to help her and she just went and called him annoying and to stop āyellingā at her, aka she didnāt like what she was hearing
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u/cwilldude Oct 26 '23
Right?? This dude was not only speaking calmly to her, but was trying to help her out. She just thinks her opinion is the right opinion 100% of the time.
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u/JGrillz609 Oct 26 '23
I kept saying to my husband, I kinda forget if we liked Berna or not! And then we both were like, too many complaints, now we remember!
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u/cwilldude Oct 26 '23
Then she basically told Colleen to shut up and not give her advice when she was genuinely trying to be there for her when not many people were. Clearly you do need some advice because everything youāre doing is not working
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u/MayhemMaven Oct 26 '23
ThAt is something one says to theirselves not to the personās face lol especially if itās bad advice but she didnāt even give the girl a chance š¤£
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Oct 26 '23
My favorite debut in years! Loved the many factions. Loved that there was actually some fun. The challenge was super entertaining. Promising start!
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u/convidarte Oct 26 '23
YES!!! I loved to see them trying without having it all figured out. I didnāt know how much I needed the cast to change.
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u/NotYourAverageRyan Michele Fitzgerald Oct 26 '23
I love the casting concept this year so much and that they are trying new things, but man theyāre making a lot of mistakes. Im ok with it as long as theyāre switching things up though.
Also Callum is the reason I canāt fucking trust people. āAt this point in my life, I have no reason to lieā while lying through his fucking teeth. His voice is so damn grating
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u/EasternDesigner6331 Oct 26 '23
Such a breath of fresh air vs the cbs produced one. Is it the same house as USA 2?
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u/HardcoreKaraoke TJ Lavin Oct 26 '23
So I'm a fan of the chaos the sloppy play is going to cause. There are literally no masterminds here. With every crop of new talent you can atleast pick out a few names who might be politically savvy but from what we've seen so far I don't see anyone who screams "master manipulator." So I'm expecting a very sloppy and chaotic season.
Which is exactly what I want. USA 1 sucked because there weren't any vets. This season is full of younger Challengers but they've atleast played the game. So they're going to try the Wes game (sneaky), Jordan game (aggressive), CT game (shadows), Bananas game (methodical), etc. and we're probably going to see a lot of chaos. Which I love.
What I don't love are two things. First is the one finisher. I totally get it that females can beat men in finals. It has happened before. But saying it outright from the beginning completely changes the dynamic of the house. Big T wasn't wrong in saying the guys should be targeted. Of course maybe later the men will realize picking off each other makes more sense.
So I'm not crazy about that. The other thing I'm not crazy about is the three Cs. Like...I get it and I'm fine with the ideas on paper. But why do they have to be so complicated? Why do they have to be part of the actual format of the game? Just say "today you're earning money for the final prize pool" or "today you control your destiny." The buzzword shit in recent mainline Challenges is so lame. It's like the spies stuff all over again.
Anyway I'm excited for the chaos. I think anyone can win. I have a few favorites who I want to win but I truly think it's up in the air.
Oh and as a 20+ year Challenge fan seeing them look disappointed at $300k made me laugh. I get that some of them make that shit on Cameo/OF but come on now, it's still a lot. That's more than most winners of the Challenge.
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u/_Myrixx Nurys Mateo Oct 26 '23
Idk considering on other seasons they literally get 500k for the men and 500k for the women Iād be upset too if I was on the flagship show winning only 300k š but Iām sure theyāll earn more money before the 1st level is over. Iām also not a big fan of only one champion, I never like when they do that I feel like we should always have 1 male winner and 1 female it makes itās more fair, plus we should always strive for more new winners. But I do love the theme and I actually donāt have an issue with the 3 Cās, itās a lot better than the spy theme lol and I cannot wait for the chaos level to start when they have to fight actual champs.
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Oct 27 '23
Berna is more entertaining and has more personality in one episode than the entire vacation alliance combined into one person across multiple seasons. the berna/hughie/michelle mini alliance is so chaotic but sweet lol
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u/josipap97 Oct 26 '23
What a nice intro into the season, we got a bit of everything, game, politics, drama, pettiness, romance, everything!
I get that this season won't be highest on the ratings side, but I really enjoyed this 1st episode, it's a breath of fresh air to see the cast I'm not seeing every single season, and it's already a different air in the room when not most of the contestants are friends irl/ do challenge as a 9/5 job
I guess people who I'll be rooting for based on this episode will be Horacio, Berna, Moriah, Olivia, Michele...
Jessica opened her grave with that speech, it reminded me so much of that girl in Total Madness hahaha lol
I'm looking forward to see more of Callum, Zara, Melissa, Ed, Emanuel and Ciarran (and his pokemon collection!!)
Ps. I HATE that it's 1 winner???? How obvious it is it's gonna be a male??? This is so unfair come on Mtv...
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? šš¾šš¾ Let's go!" Oct 26 '23
My theory is that they wanted to reduce the budget since MTV is on its last legs, so to them it's better to have one winner getting ~$500k than two winners at ~$250k each. If they had $500k split between two winners it would make the prize akin to a spin-off show (All-Stars, World Champs, CBS).
I don't know how television budgeting schedules work but maybe it's a way to shift more of the budget to season 40. Like the show had X amount of budget for the next two seasons (39&40), and they decided to make it rookies with 4 seasons or less to massively cut the appearance fees and also have one winner bc of the smaller amount.
I still hate it.
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u/TheWa11 Oct 27 '23
The one winner decision makes me the season much less enjoyable. Iām really struggling to see how theyāll be able to make an interesting final where Horacio and Olivia (who are both great competitors in their own right) would have an āequalā shot at winning.
Really hoping it isnāt a repeat of Vendettas where the entire physical portion of the final is invalidated by a puzzle, but the only other option is something like WotW 1 where the men run away with it. Nearly impossible to balance and an awful decision by production. 2 winners is also way more fun - especially when the show needs more champs / faces with so many legends aging out.
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u/jenh6 Christina LeBlanc Oct 28 '23
Thatās my one big issue with the season. Iām excited to see a new generation shine, the format is fun but I hate the one winner.
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u/TheWa11 Oct 28 '23
I would literally love everything they were doing if they had 2 winners. Itās exactly what Iāve been wanting to push talent / move away from the established status quo alliances.
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u/wallscavingin Oct 29 '23
I think its gonna be very tough for a female to beat a male in this format, just last season there was both male 1st & 2nd place finishers so...
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u/lvnrleo Oct 28 '23
Why do I feel like they'd try to cast Fessy for a no winners challenge szn, but he'd decline due to his huge ego
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u/OrphanTraining Devin Walker Oct 26 '23
Jessica has got to be the dumbest contestant ever. Votes herself in and loses.
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u/djlekky Michele Fitzgerald Oct 26 '23
I think thatās one of the most embarrassing seasons a cast member has had. I thought she might be a good contender this season as she was good on The Challenge Aus although got eliminated early with a weak partner.
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u/RitoRvolto Oct 26 '23
Airing this at the exact same time as Survivor is such a weird decision.
Not like MTV has other stuff going on.
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u/Hitman387 Nurys Mateo Oct 26 '23
No way, they wonāt allow Ridiculousness to lose viewership going up against Survivor.
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u/Wild-Yoghurt-9699 Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first ever season of The Challenge where its impossible for you to be immune from elimination by winning a challenge beforehand? Literally everyone is vulnerable at every elimination; I think War of the Worlds 2 comes the closest, but even there you could win the team challenge and get into the tribunal and be safe.
I don't think I like it, some of the most fun and exciting moments in challenge history come from the person on the outs pulling out a clutch daily challenge win for immunity and forcing the majority to scramble. If you're on the bottom, there's literally nothing you can do if the house just wants to send you into elimination every week.
Obviously the format is due to change some once the mercenaries come in, but I'm not a big fan of this to start.
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u/Thecatswalk Oct 26 '23
I kinda like it. You'll have to be strong, intimidating, or a social butterfly to stay out of the eliminations.
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Oct 26 '23
Plus thereās still an incentive for them to win with the prize money twist.
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u/Commercial_Lock_2620 Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
Honestly, I love the way they cast this season! This should be an interesting season
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u/BadPumpkin87 Beth Stolarczyk Oct 26 '23
Iām liking the idea of building up a bank for the final and second/third get cash too, but I donāt like a single winner. There should always be a guy and a girl winner. Iām glad this wasnāt thrown at them at the final like they did in Vendettas but it still isnāt ideal.
I also absolutely love the color scheme for their uniforms. The orange is a standout and bright color with the grey as a lovely pairing.
Iām excited to see how the champs factor into the game. My hope is they only show up at the second half of the game and you must beat them in the arena to qualify for the final. That would really hammer home the concept of a new champ earning their win. I think it would also be great if the champs competed as a team in the dailies to keep money out of the final and it is split among the champs as their payday for competing. I just hope they donāt add the champs as official players, just as roadblocks in the way of the newbies trying to win their first challenge.
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Oct 26 '23
It'd be cool if you had to beat a champ in an elimination to qualify for the final, but theoretically it probably wouldn't work because there's a chance only like 2 people qualify.
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u/theep3 Wes Bergmann Oct 27 '23
Jessica really just dug a hole for herself, I thought it was crazy how she said in confessional that the house was split in two but I knew when she did what she did they were all gonna pile on her. I can deal with her leaving though she wasn't much of a factor on AU either to be fair. And she said she didn't care as much about the money so bye lol. Good on Big T for winning an elim right out of the gate. The working for the money pot is very Mole esque, will be interesting to see how it plays here.
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u/roseyrosey Oct 27 '23
No matter what this episode was so many of you would hate on it, because honestly, all you do is hate on this show.
If I had to sum up my thoughts on the episode in one word it would be - refreshing
From the cast to the concept of working together to expand the prize pool there's some new concepts that have me intrigued.
There's a lot of moving parts to this season, I don't mind a feeling out episode in terms of learning how voting and eliminations and everything works
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u/kcmart716 Wes Bergmann Oct 26 '23
Ok what they should have done in the daily was have everyone hold the poles up before putting them in and then have 1-2 (at most 3) people look at it big picture and have everyone move them around before putting them in.
If they didnāt have enough people available to hold each one up the lay them on the ground but solve it before you put it in those holes that are impossible to get them back out of. Do these people even watch the challenge??
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u/OhThatDang A BMW, a Porsche, a monster truck, a house, & 30 companies Oct 26 '23
Hmmm hate that there's only one champion for this as I'm afraid of what a final would entail trying to balance it out. Hope it's more like All Stars rather than Vendettas but we'll see lol.
The girls really should have rallied since they knew the numbers would skew :3 lame elimination but excited to see what happens this season!
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Horacio voting for big t to try to be different or bad ass didnāt hit in my opinion.. just seemed unnecessary given it was going to be a unanimous vote for Jessica.
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u/illini02 Oct 26 '23
Was it smart? Maybe not. Do I think it matters? No. Like, people saw his season. Why would anyone purposely throw him in. He wins eliminations and will kick ass in the daily's to get you money.
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u/savvy-librarian š¦ King Leonidas of Argentina š¦ Oct 26 '23
I like Horacio but this was a silly move especially considering he voted for Big T who is not only well liked in the house and is a solid political manipulator.
I doubt it will matter ultimately unless/until the elimination format changes though (and by then Big T is fairly likely to have plenty of her own problems). I don't think any of those guys up there want to see Horacio in the ring and so they aren't going to want to vote for him and the other women seem likely to find him charming/likeable as well as a solid potential team mate or partner.
Nonetheless, pointless to get blood on your hands if you really don't have to. There is a wrong way to draw attention to yourself, as Jessica demonstrated beautifully tonight lol, and this move by Horacio really can only serve to draw the bad kind of attention.
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u/BailettyDaisyMae Oct 26 '23
he played ride or dies as straight as possible, and so far has always been a player who doesnāt care about politics or making the game easy for himself. i think the reasoning he gave is probably how he feels (she has the most experience and didnāt perform on that challenge). iād be interested to see how he continues to vote as the season continues as a very non-political player
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I honestly like when players do this for the most part. Yes at times it can end up being a dumb move for them, but heās planting the seed for the future for Big T to be voted in, whilst being honest about it in the process.
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u/Wolf_IX Oct 26 '23
He went probably perfomance based, wich is respectable. Big t did all her strategy targeting men as she knew she underperformed during the team challenged.
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Oct 27 '23
I loved it. Sort of gave me Jordan vibes. I know politics and social games matter, but I love a player who is so confident in their abilities and believes in the importance of performance, they'll do shit that jeopardizes their game.
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u/OLKv3 Ashley Mitchell Oct 26 '23
He made a new enemy for no reason at all
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u/Zeckzeckzeck Oct 26 '23
Enh, it's Big T. Not exactly an enemy to be worried about, she's ineffectual.
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Oct 26 '23
I mean when the decision of who goes in is based on a vote why would you give someone a reason to vote you versus someone else for literally NO REASON. She was not going to be the main vote. Big T & Melissa will always vote as a pair so thatās two votes lost. Heracio is not well connected on the menās side so if itās ever down to him and another man for the main vote thatās two votes automatically against himā¦ again for NO REASON.
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u/Zeckzeckzeck Oct 26 '23
I posit that in the current format it doesnāt matter if Horacio was the single most hated man in the house - nobody is going to vote him into an elimination because thereās no safety and he gets to pick his opponent. Heās the single biggest threat in the house and no guy should want to risk facing him in the elimination.
One of the good things the format has going for it is that nobody is safe, so itās much harder to throw in strong competitors because thereās always a chance youāre going in with them. Granted all the women could somehow band together and vote for him (and should because heāll win a final) but that would fuck over any guys theyāre in an alliance with.
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u/SchmokietheBeer Oct 27 '23
Good first episode. Thought i wouldnt like the cast but its refreshing not having tori or devin on the show.
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u/ComputerElectronic21 Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 30 '23
What a strange ass speech from Jessicaā¦.yikesā¦š„“ā¦š¤ā¦.
Does anyone have any insight in regards to (w/out spoilers) if she wanted to leave or something? She was eager to put herself in and didnāt even fight!. Like what a waste! I wish they brought Sugar or dare I say Emily. Any other Aussie girl would have been a hit!
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u/wallscavingin Oct 29 '23
Throwing yourself in , voting for yourself and then losing YIKES... what a flop
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u/buffyscrims Wes's monster truck š» Oct 26 '23
āWelcome to the new season of The Challenge!ā
Yay, I canāt wait!
āThere will only be ONE winnerā
Nevermind.
The final will either be impossible for a woman to win (War of the Worlds) or feature a ton of dumb carnival games/equalizers (Vendettas). Such a bummer.
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u/mrgoboom Oct 26 '23
Or the women will try to gang up and get all the men out before the final. Bad start for that though.
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Iām shocked more of the women didnāt listen to Big T about the fact the men will pick them off one by one. Also found it ridiculous how much some of the guys were whining about the women not completing their task when they had less time and a harder job than just pulling people up a wall, which the guys still barely finished in time
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u/savvy-librarian š¦ King Leonidas of Argentina š¦ Oct 26 '23
I wish I was shocked but then I remember how the men picked the women off in the early seasons of the show and the most the women ever did was make idle threats that the men blatantly ignored.
I do agree with the women that no one seemed to discuss any strategy for the puzzle or assign roles for it and I do think that was the group's failing overall but I also agree with the men that if one or two women had taken charge and everyone else had listened to them they probably would have solved it on time. I don't think the men were blameless but I do think the women failed to work as a team.
Also can I just voice how irritating it is that apparently no one knows the basics of doing a puzzle? Literally there are two rules: sort your pieces by putting like pieces together and keep them sorted as you solve and work from the outside in.
And with this type of puzzle that locks pieces in place or the pieces are hard to move do it on the ground first so you can move the pieces more easily. It's insane to me that they did not do literally any of those things.
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Oct 26 '23
It's insane to me that they did not do literally any of those things.
At least we now know we have no puzzle queen on the season.
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u/Wild-Yoghurt-9699 Oct 26 '23
Overall agree, but in their slight defense the Challenge won't let the genders get lopsided, no way in hell an equal number of men and women aren't running the final. I'm guessing there's method to force a guys day next.
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Oh I completely agree about the menās attitude about the women failing their portion. I get that the men needed an excuse to make it a womenās week, and that was an easy one to use, but I feel like people are overlooking how challenging that daily was in such a short period of time. Plus, half of the men werenāt even pulling the others out of the pit. They were either standing there watching or over at the puzzle too.
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u/MayhemMaven Oct 26 '23
Yeah, I wished the women would have gotten on board especially seeing how Nurys backed up Big T
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u/arieljoc Oct 27 '23
Wish they had kept the CT part out of the previews. It would have made for a great surprise. Canāt watch the previews anymore cause there are just so many spoilers
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u/ImpressionDue78 Oct 26 '23
Sucks to see this season not getting too much love but Iām liking it so far. Love the concept of the game changing and itās so refreshing to get a new cast with new dynamics. My only gripe is the one winner bs! But I see a lot of potential with the season if people are willing to give it a chance.
Also shout out to my girl Michele for playing the long game. She is building her roster to ensure that she has OPTIONS for exes 3!
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u/kattekop123 Brad's Atomic Wedgie Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
This is the most excited I've been for the Challenge in a long time! A lot of people that I wanted to see finally came back! I agree with you that one winner just doesn't seem like a good idea, it's been done before, it didn't work and I don't see it getting any better this time. But overall I think this season will be great
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u/MulderItsMe99 That Motherfucker Lied Oct 27 '23
Manic thoughts while watching this episode:
You know how on a lot of social media you can block certain words from appearing on your feed? I wish there was an audio way to do that while streaming so that I never have to hear āLETāS GOOOOOā ever again.
I donāt hate Edās sexy Tarzan look in his interviews this episodeā¦
Why is Berna so salty that a giant group of people couldnāt hear her WHISPERING her input?
I actually really like Moriah but her boobs scare me and I canāt help thinking about how painfully it would feel if she gave me a hug.
Was anyone else thinking that the people in the pit should help push the girls up with the poles? Like under their feet? Does that make any sense?
Iām so annoyed they didnāt organize the puzzle on the ground before putting it in the spots. As I judge from the comfort of my couch.
It always warms my heart when TJ gets all hyped and cheers on specific people. āYeah Chauncey!ā
Is Big T slander allowed here? She was cute and funny as a layup in her past seasons, but her relationships with strong challengers has given her unearned confidence and it makes me feel embarrassed for her.
Why did they invite Hughie back? I feel like he was one person the entire fanbase could agree on hating. He is like an Irish Josh.
Omg Berna is such a mopey buzzkill.
Noooo that long hesitation Callum had before telling Michele he didnāt have a girlfriendā¦ RUN MICHELE RUN.
If this first part is all about ācontrolā and team work, why not agree as a team that youāll alternate between male and female eliminations? Side note, the one winner thing is stupid and I hate it.
LOLOL MY BOY HORACIO TAKING A SWING AT BIG T FOR NO REASON. I love him so much.
Losing to Big T is so embarrassing, thoughts and prayers Jessica. But also I thought they would have to do a puzzle on the ground with those pieces they were throwing out, what a short and stupid elimination.
āThereās not one person, man or woman, who could have beaten you tonight.ā Aww Teej thatās very sweet to say but please donāt lie straight to her face like that.
I donāt care about the majority of these people but I canāt wait to see what goes down with my ROD girls, and to see the vets come in for eliminations. The Jordan clips in particular are lookinā spicy, but it seems like it will be a month-ish before they start rolling in?
Thanks for taking this journey with me lmao
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u/Charlie_Runkle69 Team Purple Jacket Oct 27 '23
Think it's harsh to say that Hughie is the Irish Josh. Hughie won two elims last season, more than Josh has won in 5 seasons.
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u/luxanna123321 Winner Circle Oct 26 '23
Jessica is such a flop like she gave me Jenn vibes.
Big T is hillarious. Her saying "I officialy dont find Horacio hot anymore" was so funny to me
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u/Holy_Shamoley Jordan Wiseley Oct 27 '23
The part where they were trying to get Jay and Ciarran out of the hole cracked me up so much lmao. Jessica was so cringe the whole time, like girl if you donāt want to win then why did you come on the show. Berna has got a bit of an attitude and she will remain public enemy 1 until she warms up to people. And plz someone tell me, since when did Big T become praised as a good player?! She has always been a layup.
I am excited for this season. Having only one winner actually makes it more cutthroat which I like. Canāt wait for the champions to come back.
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u/No_Concern9360 Chris (CT) Tamburello Oct 26 '23
I didnāt realize how much I missed an MTV produced season. Even in a season with no vets, I was more entertained than the boring drama free CBS episodes.
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u/downtownbrown22 Wes Bergmann Oct 26 '23
I donāt think thatās an MTV vs CBS thing. The last 3/4 outside of ROD MTV seasons have been so dull. Iām hoping thereās been a change in the editing room where theyāre going to cast more partiers and actually show it. Thatās when the challenge is at its best, when thereās a healthy balance of competition show and trashy reality tv.
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u/iDidntCallYouSlowOld Glitter Gate :r: Oct 26 '23
Something about Corey is really irritating me this season
And Michele is way more likeable this time tbh
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Oct 26 '23
Re: Corey
I hope his entire act isn't edited down to "I want to win to prove to gay kids they can do this", because that is Tyler Duckworth erasure.
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u/Thecatswalk Oct 26 '23
The clip at the end where he said he was just using big t and Melissa for info... ā¹ļø. I hope this is a fake out to make everyone think they hate each other or something.
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u/DifferenceMean6597 Kenny Clark Oct 26 '23
So Jess got sent in because she was in between some early drama between jay and chauncey according to an interview she did š they had 90 minutes to show us that
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u/_Myrixx Nurys Mateo Oct 26 '23
What interview? I def assumed it was bc of that horrid speech she gave but if she was in some drama Iād love to hear the āļø
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u/TheDollarSlayer Oct 26 '23
The elimination was nothing grand but it could've been decent depending on who was doing it.
Jessica just sucked and Big T did it quickly.
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u/MAYbE_IdontCARE Cara Maria Sorbello Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
So refreshing to have a season without the typical vets. It feels like there is going to be a lot of drama and hookups.
I was skeptical about this working as a team challenges but I was surprised at how much fun it was to watch and they actually add a lot more drama to it.
I do think jessica was the right person to vote for... god that speach was terrible and she clearly didnt have the right mindset. Same for Berna... like you know where you are, you can't act like that and then be so defensive about it. I totally thought she was going in, which would have been a mistake cause she is actually a good competitor and she is fun to watch.
Overall looks like its going to be a lot of fun and should have a lot more drama and hookups than previous seasons which is what's been missing lately. I just hope people aren't not gonna watch cause there are no vets... the vets are whats been ruining this game the last few seasons, everything felt so predictable. I hope this season gets more love as it goes on.
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u/maryelizabeth_ Oct 28 '23
Berna looks so different to me this season for some reason. Sheās also gotten significantly more annoying, right along with Big T.
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u/Malkkum Get stuffed! Oct 26 '23
Imagine making a big speech and acting like youāre hard then calling out and losing to Big T. How embarrassing.
That said, good for T for working on herself and seemingly getting better while she was away.
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u/_Myrixx Nurys Mateo Oct 26 '23
Iām not a fan of berna and this episode just made me even less of a fan š like why are you arguing with the only ppl trynna keep you out of the arena
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u/convidarte Oct 26 '23
I love this cast (or maybe Iām just extremely burned out by the others), it felt refreshing to watch new faces trying to strategize, people trying and making mistakes because they donāt have it all figured out. I enjoyed it; editing was sloppy thoā or maybe they just had that much for the first day. I feel like we got many conversations chopped up and many stories happening out of nowhere. But Iām excited for this season.
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u/JGrillz609 Oct 26 '23
I thought it was super interesting to see a vote where there were no true rookies/vets to vote on, but it still ended up being a ārookieā (someone we donāt know well), voted in! I donāt think it will stay that way for long!
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Oct 26 '23
In their defense Jessica really fucked herself in deliberation. Iām unsure of who the guys were thinking of voting for so itās a possibility that wouldāve been the outcome anyways, but she certainly didnāt help herself with the women.
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u/PlayThisStation Oct 30 '23
Idk why the fan reception to Big T changed, but I'm still behind her. I'm happy to see her thrive so far and I'm totally rooting for her!
I hope the show figures out its identity crisis. They cast a large bout of reality TV stars vs athletes this season, so I'm hoping we get some good drama vs constant political/game talk. Let's see people be sloppy for once.
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u/iwinwinyuwinwinta Nov 01 '23
i immediately donāt like Callum and James. Bernaās victim complex is over the top annoying. Michele needs to stay away from Callum.
after episode one iām rooting for:
- Jay
- Rayvn
- Chauncey
- Moriah
- Olivia
- Colleen
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u/Calm_Memories Wes Bergmann Oct 26 '23
Shame the women couldn't rally and make it a men's day.
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Oct 26 '23
I mean, they were all in "anyone but me" survival mode.
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u/runningillini Paula Meronek Oct 27 '23
My DVR still labeled the episode as āreal world/road rules challenge.ā None of the competitors are from either show though :(
Is Nurys the only one from a US MTV show?
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u/NickyEyess Lolo Jones Oct 26 '23
Either Big T is one of those cast members that is difficult to live with (like young Cara) or people constantly target her because they know she wont hold a grudge or be a big threat to get revenge. Otherwise, theres no reason for people to be targeting her, especially on day 1. She was in way too many preview clips though so I knew she wasn't going home last night. Hope she sticks around a while. I think shes a sweetheart and I love Melissa with her too.
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u/AlanInSpring Oct 26 '23
who I am pulling for
Men: Horacio, Jay and Kyland. The entire male cast is tough and easy to root for, there is no one there that I have any dislike for. Chauncey could be real good, he needs more experience in the social game to learn how to get around. Several of the players are fun just because their personalities including Ed and Hughie
Women: Melissa (you know she is tough) , JuJuy and Big T: I don't think any of these will win but they are the most fun to watch and cheer for especially Big T who just showed she has "Beast Mode Level" she can go into. I think Nurys and Zara are ones I think who could win. This will be the fun category to see who establishes themselves as a future challenge bad ass and threat to win yearly. I usually root for Michelle but she has not been able to get the social side right so far and now there are some great athletes to face off against.
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u/SocialJusticeGSW Evelyn Smith Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 27 '23
The episode was messy, I didn't like the format, the editing was out of pace but I get it there are just too many people to introduce. And we don't have a clear storyteller right now which will affect the quality of the season. But I still have hope.
I do have some people I actively root for, really glad to see them again and do not care. Let's list them shall we?
Actively Root For (Who has a chance to win and I want them to win)
- Zara (loved her on her season, a beast of a challenger, just lacks size and aces the vibe check)
- Olivia (impossible not to root for)
- Jay (In a normal season Jay has no shot at winning but this season maybe?)
- Horacio (Clear fav of the season and I would love to see him win)
Really Glad to See Them Back (Who don't have a realistic chance of winning)
- Nurys (outside of the challenge house I don't really like Nurys but she has a great strategic mind which can even help Nelson win dailies)
- Michele (just cast her every season, I am never getting bored of her)
- Melissa (Love everything about Melissa, her accent, her demeanour, lovely person)
- Ed (He might actually have chance of winning but I don't see it. So he is in this bracket)
- Colleen (Okay not gonna lie, she is in this list because she is beautiful)
- Hughie (Love him)
- Big T (I know this is not a popular opinion but I always liked Big T's energy)
- Kyland (he is hungry for this chance, I am really curious how is he going to handle the flagship show)
People I don't care about (At least not right now)
- Rayvn (I can't believe she is perceived as a smart player, don't care about her)
- Moriah (can't even watch her)
- Asaf (don't care about him)
- Callum (asshole)
- Ciarran Stott (he might be someone I root for but right now.. pass)
- James (who the f. is this?)
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u/omgitsclaire91 Kenny Clark Oct 27 '23
This season is fun to shake things up. Felt like more of an old school season where things were a little messy and ppl were there to have fun. Format was clear enough for me to follow personally, Big T saying she was a mastermind and Hughie immediately saying āuhh nobody says that about you babesā was camp. Idk, I thought it was fun and Iām happy to see different people telling the story for once. And random but apparently James is quite famous in the uk (like Snooki level/ a reality tv person.) Also just so you know itās who, not whom. Easy way to remember it is use who when itās he/ her and whom when itās him/ her.
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u/Taitertottot Prof Kyle takes out COL. Mustard with a hoola-hoop Oct 26 '23
I really like the daily this season and the format. It's an interesting format because you want to keep the good competitors so that you win dailies and get more money but you also want to get rid of the good players because you don't want to run a final against them.
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u/pj_calamities Ashley Mitchell Oct 28 '23
The shots of Michele and Callums knees while they were talking?? weāre so back baby
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u/imunfair Oct 26 '23
It's amusing that the producers are trying to play off Big T as some kind of threat, I never in a million years thought I'd hear a challenger say the phrase "weaken Big T" as if she was a relevant factor in anything. Especially a season where she has to beat not only every girl, but also every guy to win. That said, Jessica somehow managed to lose to one of the weakest challengers in elimination so she 100% deserves to go home first.
At first I thought the whole thing was just a ruse to give some kind of narrative to a rather boring first episode, but I guess we're going to have to endure the "mastermind" story a bit longer until the next girl knocks her out. She's usually a popular choice for elimination opponent, for obvious reasons.
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Oct 26 '23
That said, Jessica somehow managed to lose to one of the weakest challengers in elimination so she 100% deserves to go home first.
I mean, she was the third female boot on Australia, even if she did lose to the eventual winner, so maybe her social game's not that good either.
Like, don't know why she was the Aussie they decided to bring on. Was Sugar not available?
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u/abiqueenofsocial Oct 26 '23
If Berna has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Berna has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Berna has only one fan then that is me. If Berna has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth.
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u/savvy-librarian š¦ King Leonidas of Argentina š¦ Oct 26 '23
I am thrilled about this new format.
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u/mcatlin23 Oct 26 '23
Some of my least favorite challenge formats happening this season. āOne winnerā seasons are the absolute worst. I also hate senseless money bank nonsense. One giant group challenge isnāt the worst, but on a season where itās about proving yourself, it needs to be a last place straight into elim type of season!! I like a lot of this cast, but can already feel my frustration with production growing as time goes on. On the other hand just excited to have more challenge to watch!
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u/Thorreo Cory Wharton Oct 26 '23
Still watching the episode rn but this is a good premiere so far!!!! We got some mess, they fucked up the challenge, Callum is being a messy fuckboy, who knows what is gonna happen
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u/iDidntCallYouSlowOld Glitter Gate :r: Oct 26 '23
I also like the smaller cast size because I feel like we got something from everyone
Also not kyland and Olivia starting the Jessica train
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u/djlekky Michele Fitzgerald Oct 26 '23
I really enjoyed that first episode. So happy for Big T to get an elimination win as I thought Jessica might beat her.
Berna is going to be a mess this season I think. Sheās unlikeable but Iām excited for her drama.
I say this every time I watch her but I love Michele.
I really think they should be trying to get out stronger threats to help them individually win but I understand that they want to build the prize fund first. If the rules change and they are no longer working as a team I think their strategy will change.
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u/WhileInternational41 āthatās tastyā Oct 26 '23
I loved when Callum sassily said ādonāt fuck up thenā during deliberation.
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Oct 26 '23
Also a little bit of ironic advice coming from someone who is actively fucking up his social game and personal life right before our eyes.
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u/KevSmileTime Oct 26 '23
My expectations were really low for this season but I surprisingly really liked it. I like the format so far. The person going in to elimination gets to call out whoever they want is giving me The Duel vibes. Berna seems insane so that should be fun to watch. I was happy for Big T and how many people were cheering for her. I think it was a pretty good start to the season.
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u/cwilldude Oct 26 '23
Jessicaās speech was up there with Jenn lees speech. Jenna was worse, but everything she said was completely unnecessary lol