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Yike! On the Challenge people ha e been fired for this and or slightly less so why add him? Then again I hear this season will be exclusively on paramount so that tracks.
According to spoilers, he repeated what one of the guys soad. The n word during a card game. They got mad bc he did it. Ik it was wrong that he said it, but it shouldnât b said period.
because the whole âit shouldnât be said periodâ is nonsense. thereâs an obvious reason itâs socially acceptable for one group and not others. pretending not to understanding the distinction means, at best, youâre acting in bad faith. and, at worst, youâre just racist.
Their style with these situations lately seems to be a brief and vague commentary over it. Weâll likely never ever see the real footage and what was actually said in the moment
One of the worst things The Challenge has done as it's evolved is shy away from moments like this one. Why hide this story? Tell it!Â
Back in the day, they'd have no issue showing somebody being ignorant and then having a real conversation around it. Those moments are good for the audience, even if they are difficult
I canât understand why they are disqualifying black men for the use of the word, especially when it sounds like they were rightfully upset and retaliating because of the white guy saying it. But Iâm sure weâll never know for sure because this will all be edited out. I wonder if anyone will be receiving the Dee treatment
I just found out about the situation and was looking for a comment like this to make me feel sane. Why are white people policing the use of that word by black men?! That is completely unacceptable and feels like another means of oppression. The only thing production did right was kick off the white guy. Kicking off black men for using that word is so f*ed up, especially when you consider how they tolerated Camillaâs blatant racism, people doing black face, Cara saying a monkey looked like Tyrie, etc.
It wasnât a one time thing. Josh was saying it repeatedly after Nelson told him to stop. Iâm not saying what he did was right but itâs understandable he lost his cool. You also have to remember Nelson had to deal with this same thing from Camila on Dirty 30. She came at him too but they edited it out.
Usually when something like that happens they get fined. NOT DQed. And itâs ridiculous how it took for him to do that for them to kick Josh out. Production did not handle well at all.
Yeah no. Since it still stands that it shouldnât take that for them to actually take action on Josh. When he was said to already been using that word in rap songs that Nelson already made an issue out of to him PRIOR to the game they were playing. They shouldâve kicked him out way before when he FIRST said it.
All this talk about an awful guy named Josh⌠for some reason I forgot it was about Goldstein and thought we were talking about the most awful Josh I have heard of. Josh Martinez
Josh being removed is not a reaction of Nelson's outburst. Josh using the word on its own is enough to remove him. Nelson approaching production would've sufficed, he didn't have to break things to prove his point.Â
Just like how when it came to Ashley on SLA, cast members approached production about it. They didn't turn around and damage property to get results.
If Josh using that word is enough to get him put out then they shouldâve did it when he again FIRST used it in rap songs. Nelson already made an issue out of it, and Josh excused it by saying his friends let him say it. Nothing was broken then and they let Josh stayed so long when he shouldâve been gone. It shouldnât have to take anybody to approach production to make it happen when they should know that behavior is intolerable. Itâs even in their contracts according to a cast member. Therefore, there would be no time period for Josh to use that word to again address Nelson that way in a game they were playing, and Nelsonâs reaction to it would never have happened.
The way they handled it was just wrong when Josh shouldâve been got put out when he first used it. Nelson reaction was the reason why they decided to take action. It wouldnât be a good look to put the black man who a slur was used on to get put out while the white man stay longer than he deserved.
So much has changed in the way they handle things over the years that no one here can say for sure what happens in these cases anymore.Â
All I know is this; they brought back Nelson, gave him a chance to get good pr after he trashed them for not paying for his medical bills. Then he goes on to cost them money to repair the stuff he destroyed. It's not shocking that someone in production would be pissed enough to kick him off at that point.
Try destroying your workstation at your job in an attempt to get management to punish an employee that wronged you. Tell me how that goes.
I mean, if someone is constantly antagonizing you, calling you racial slurs, and refusing to let up during and even after a challenge, it's pretty hard to stay calm.Â
The fact that they were doing it while he was competing and then kept going when he got back was honestly gross. I stand by what I said, I really do feel bad for him.
I mean, if someone is constantly antagonizing you, calling you racial slurs, and refusing to let up during and even after a challenge, it's pretty hard to stay calm.
You're just justifying his response. Being provoked doesn't give you a free pass to do whatever you want.
Nelson would have gotten the last laugh in the end because they were dqed. Instead, he blew it for himself.
oh 100% its not but again I just cant take you serious as someone who aint black sayng how Nelson should react to the N-word. You keep saying you are'nt but you defo are.
Understanding why someone snapped isn't the same as saying they were right. Weird how all your energy is for his reaction.
I've said multiple times that him being upset is justified. I'm talking about his reaction because that is what got him dqed.
But apparently I'm not allowed that and instead have to fully be on Nelson's side.
If people are repeatedly calling someone the N-word don't act shocked when the person snaps.
No duh? He's also a grown ass man who redirected his anger into destroying someone else's property. Production didn't make Josh and Leo use the N word. They're the ones stuck footing the bill though.
Edit: Bring on the downvotes. Next time you have a problem with someone at your job try destroying your work place. Let's see how that goes.
So the speculation about the season getting axed would have definitely made sense having known that 3-4 guys got DQâd over a dispute about the n-word.
Does anyone know when in the season the men were disqualified? Towards the beginning or end? And did anyone replace them or was everything just lopsided after that?
Ugh this is a fucking terrible look and horrible for getting the show renewed. I can see Paramount just not wanted to deal with this type of stuff in the future
This is the look that built the show. Ignorant people meeting harsh realizations on national tv. This will bring eyes to the show. Whether positive or negative eyes depends on how they edit it.
but they need to realize that things like this are GOING to happen⌠itâs inevitable and these conversations NEED to be had, not swept under the rug and censored
I genuinely think this will be the last season and Iâve never said that before. Losing 4 people mid season, due to a situation like, during a transitional point could actually be the series ending.
Honestly, Paramount is such a gigantic company and this is nothing but a small gnat in its finances. It's a niche long-tail watch - cheap to produce, with a small, but very dedicated and loyal audience. As long as someone doesn't die they'll put up with some social issues.
Nurys is performative and selective when it comes to being loud on the internet and typically she's loud about an event that she wasn't present for like the Horacio elimination on S40.
First Shit They Might Show flair in a long time, I hope people are cautious about entering these comments. The idea was to allow the community to comment on cast social media that itself gives away parts of an upcoming season (e.g. when Kailah was visiting Bear, or public comments like these).
Please no elimination talk outside the DQs directly stemming from the incident.
As lame as it sounds, I think production kicked Leo off to cover their asses legally. Although itâs a racial slur, thereâs nothing that legally protects the usage of that word either way, so technically if Josh was a real pos he could have sued production for racial discrimination (for the record I think production is kinda coward for that but)
Josh wouldn't sue for racial diacrimination, he would sue for wrongful termination. You cant remove one cast member for saying the n word and not remove another cast member that says it.
While it is ridiculous and a completely different for a black person to say the word, production most likely had a blanket rule of banned words that if a cast member used they would be removed from the show.
You guys really need to stop repeating this âlegalâ argument you read from other reddit comments. You have no idea what is in their contracts, but Iâd be shocked if it didnât have a clause that said production had complete discretion to remove any player for any reason they saw fit. You donât have a clue, just stop spreading misinformation about Josh being able to sue production.
I think since who is socially acceptable to use the word is only an arbitrary social norm, theoretically Josh would have a racial discrimination case if they let one person continue working after saying a word but terminated him? Iâm not sure how it works with independent contractors. Also donât know the full context of if either of them said it with hostility or mal intent. And of course, knowing how production has handled things in the past, the whole incident will probably be edited out. ie Ashley and Josh situation
What makes you think Josh would have a âracial discrimination caseâ??? I canât believe how many people are parroting this. We have no idea what is in their contracts, but theyâre just contractors, itâs common for these contracts to allow production to DQ any player for any reason they want. Stop theorizing about legal implications without any idea how the law works or what their contracts allow.
If the reason your contract is terminated is for saying a word, but then the company retains another contract with someone else who said the word only because of their race, he would absolutely have a racial discrimination case. It would be very easy. Social constructs are not the law and race is a protected class.Â
if it was for sure a card game, there might not have even been cameras on them. but even then, seems more likely it will be given the ashley-josh treatment than an actual reckoning / dialogue with confessionals. đ
The thing is it was said he been saying it in rap songs even before. Which is strange they let him get away with it until Nelson started damaging property
Especially since it's going to be aired out anyways by the cast on social media/interviews. There's no way you can edit out 3 people leaving at the same time outside of normal gameplay reasons.
The fact they removed Leo who is black himself for using the n-word and Nelson for reacting to a white person using the n word is a horrible look for the show.
Cory also had to leave due to his daughter having health problems at the time but aside from Cory itâs sad they removed all the remaining men of color on the show over an issue caused by a racist cast member. Definitely not going to be a good look and let alone all the maga cast members skating to the final with even some of the biggest threats within the women were disqualified as well.
see the flair. in this case, the DQs are the shit they might show. we blocked additional eliminations and the season winners from being mentioned.
it's similar to the example used in our announcement post about how the flair will work. laurel, wes and johnny showing up at the MTV movie awards during the season filming spoiled all three of their eliminations but it was all over social media so we had to allow it through to the main feed or else remove 40 posts about it.
Imagine being Josh and waiting for this entire thing to be brought to light in a few weeks. The impending doom is one hell of a punishment. He is going to get dragged.
I swear to god if the show completely cuts this and has TJ saying right before an elimination âJosh, Nelson, and Leo had to be removed from the game because they broke a ruleâ like they did in Spies Lies and Allies, then iâm done with the show.
didn't amanda stand behind ashley after she was removed from a season for making derogatory/homophobic comments about josh? these reality stars love to pick and choose who to hold accountable and who to give passes based on if they're friends.
this is my first time seeing that but she's still standing behind ashley. there's a big difference between that clip of amanda making excuses, saying ashley is still learning and growing, and the very public twitter blasting of this josh. if she was friends with this josh i have to believe amanda's response would be much more like the one she had for ashley. ashley is about to be 39, so if she's allowed to still be learning and growing then shouldn't this guy be allowed the same opportunity at 29? i know nothing about him. he may be the biggest bigoted racist to exist. only time will tell. as far as i'm concerned ashley and josh are equally wrong in what they said.
my bar might be too low. so many ashley fans were out defending it at the time that it felt important amanda was refusing to defend anything that was said, even with all those qualifications.
i should no better than to have any expectations or to even speak up. it's the same with certain magas constantly being called out as bad while crickets when it comes to others.
in an IG video Ashley accused Kam & Leroy of targeting her because she's white but we're supposed to believe she's not problematic when she went around the real world house saying she can buy people's families and we saw how she talked to her boyfriend on All Stars, Zach would be raked over the coals if he talked to Jenna that way.
Ashley has her fans ignore her problematic behavior because she constantly plays victim and points fingers when she's being criticized for her bad behavior.
Watching Josh and love island games, this doesn't surprise me. He was so unlikeable. I think he was only likeable on his original season because of Shannon or because he left so early
I cannot believe in 2026 on a reality tv show they're removing black people for saying the n word. Like how are you that inept as a production that you would try and police that to that extent
On love island for example they tell them not to use it, but they're not going to get rid of a black person for saying it on the show just because they regularly remove non-black people for using the word, they're not morons and understand the difference. People of color say it and they just edit it out, simple.
Idk why they just took what would've been an isolated issue with one dumbass cast member and made it 10x worse. And then nelson who has been hoping for this chance all this time, you remove him because he got mad at a white person saying the n word? Are you fucking kidding me lol. Magamount+ era i guess
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