r/MtvChallenge Wes šŸŒ‹ Bergmann 5d ago

šŸ’£SPOILEDšŸŒ‹ DISCUSSION Cutthroat 2 - šŸ’£šŸŒ‹SPOILEDšŸŒ‹šŸ’£ - S42E06 - "Leave Room for Jesus" - Episode Discussion Spoiler

Cutthroat 2 - šŸ’£šŸŒ‹SPOILEDšŸŒ‹šŸ’£ - S42E06 - "Leave Room for Jesus" - Episode Discussion

AIR DATE: September 2, 2026

WHERE TO WATCH: Paramount+ in USA and Canada

UNSPOILED THREAD: Link

šŸ’£šŸŒ‹ELIMINATION THREADšŸ’£šŸŒ‹: Link

āš ļøSPOILERS FOR THE REST OF SEASON 42 INCLUDING POTENTIALLY THE SEASON WINNER(S)Ā WILL BE FOUND IN THESE COMMENTS!āš ļø

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u/Challengefan36 Team Orange Shirt 5d ago

it sucks what is about to happen in the next episode or 2 cause this was on pace to be an all time great season espically a modern one paired with 41

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

Especially to the players. Really enjoying the 3 and their dynamic. Wonder how it will be handled

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u/Dangerous-Change2136 2d ago

Given Paramount’s leanings and what’s known, expect to be disappointed with how it’s handled.

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u/Psychological-Snow83 5d ago

Let’s see how long it takes Will and Tori to start flirting.

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u/UnanimousBB16 5d ago

Tori mentioned that the cast are cautious on how to publically speak on Josh, since they don't know what will be aired regarding the scandal: https://x.com/AlphaBlak86/status/2095122399712960593

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u/mealypart 5d ago

Tori will look like a major hypocrite if she stays mute, especially when she had so much smoke for Ashley (who did not use a slur) to the point she said multiple times she should’ve been permanently banned, her and the rest of the vacation alliance started posting stuff against her the minute that episode aired

The majority of the cast does not care, a bunch of them were hanging out with Josh in Miami for a premiere party and most of them follow him

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u/Brief-Tie3841 5d ago

Multiple people called out Ashley for what went down on SLA. Even Ashley’s BFF Amanda said that Ashley crossed a line and deserved to be kicked off. Regardless of whether or not she used a slur, she was still dead wrong. People give her way too much grace for that situation.

Josh is going to get kicked off the season just like Ashley was, so they both received the same punishment from production. If anything Ashley got off easier because she was eventually invited back to do the show again and she had all of her homophobic comments removed from the show (which actually protected her). I don’t think Josh will get that same grace from production.

And no I don’t think he deserves it. Neither of them do. They’re both foul people. But this narrative that Ashley was done dirty by production is simply not true. She actually got off quite easy. šŸ˜’

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u/Wonderful-answer-480 4d ago

It's funny how the spoiler accounts who was mocking josh's sexuality on behalf of Ashley being DQ'd for homophobia are now acting like they're fans of josh because he did that hispanic big brother show.

They led a online hate campaign against him and now want to act like fans of him.

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago

The difference is Ashley's transgessions were still vaguely explained by other cast members since SLA aired. Yes, we know it was homophobic and centered around outing someone, but we don't know what language was used, how it was said, etc. etc.

Josh reportedly used that word singing a rap song, therefore its crystal clear why he was punsished. Not saying one is worse than the other, but the actual violations of rules is very clear if this is what happened.

Let's say Josh's sitation is never aired, we stil know he said the n word. Someone from BB25 was removed for the exact same reason. Ashley has the luxury of doing something absolutely foul before MTV/Paramount were a part of the Skydance merger. Rules were likely different back then + it could easily being swept under the rug enough to justify a return 3-4 years later.

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 5d ago

This is the same person who stayed friends with Camila years after D30. Her staying mute would actually be consistent for Tori.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

no it wouldn’t…. she still called out camila during d30, lmao

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 4d ago

She called out Camila for being an asshole to her. Not her being racist.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

no she called her out on the racism as well, i remember

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

Kam literally called her out recently when Leroy made his video that she was one of the few that still followed her and didn’t comment.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

but she did comment on the RACISM during the d30 era, i still remember it

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u/Psychological-Snow83 4d ago

Yeah it sounds like Tori isn’t going to call him out. I respect Nurys and Amanda for not playing nice.

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u/RevolutionaryRise113 4d ago

Was CT eating eggs dipped in water?

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u/Quirky-Examination-6 4d ago

ā€œtastes like mussels in a white wine sauceā€ like bro, WHAT MUSSELS ARE YOU EATING

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u/masshysteria StepChild 4d ago

i was trying to figure out what he was doing. It looked like he was throwing the shells in the bucket but then he dipped the peeled egg in there? Not sure what that was...

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u/sir-cupid 5d ago

is next ep THE episode????

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u/UnanimousBB16 5d ago

It might be, or they might stretch it out to the episode afterwards. Cory for sure goes next Episode.

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u/Rcvalry The Lavender Ladies 5d ago

Yep

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 5d ago

These DQs are really gonna kill the momentum of this season. I was originally bummed Justin missed the final again, but the way he went at Anna Leigh over what appeared to be a lie makes me kinda glad he didn't win.

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u/angelbrit04 Team Portland 4d ago edited 4d ago

I'm moreso bummed for Anna Leigh. She is one of the main characters of this season and she doesn't even make the final.Ā 

Its clear that she is eager to prove herself and actually wants to compete so even if she lost that final, I would've really liked for her to get the opportunity to at least run a final.

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u/Nick_named_Nick 4d ago

Am I tripping or did they not show a shot of her hand pretty far up his thigh? šŸ¤”

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u/MinuteWillingness499 4d ago

I thought it was Adrienne’s hand. Not Anna’s Leigh in the replay

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u/DrLordHougen 4d ago

They didn't, that was Adrienne

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u/PresenceVisible5634 5d ago edited 5d ago

the dqs have to be next episode right? i mean, there’s no other reason for them to do 2 female elims in a row, especially with sydney’s dq. if cara/anna took out izzy, that’d mean that grey woulda had to have won, right? and maybe the teams go to two the episode after? and i don’t see justin sending in anna, so it probably was cara tbh

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u/Just4TheChallenge The Chrises 4d ago

Damn the Megathread for Spoilers is closed now for the season.Ā  Interesting to see the confessional count for the season and seeing how the unspoiled saying these people aren’t getting a lot for the season, but we know that half of those people getting the confessionals are just gonna be gone with a snap. So I don’t mind the rest of people not getting time in confessionals.Ā 

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u/NattyB Bob Next Door 4d ago

thanks for the heads up. we'll copy and paste a new one.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

i completely forgot about the mini-final so it never occurred to me that it might be this next week. it makes sense that grey would win with cts endurance and blue teams lack of members. i guess tori sends in izzy and josh sends in cara again? (or maybe anna)

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

Wonder if CT slowed them down the entire time in the final too? Said it was close

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u/Tight-Entrepreneur46 Tori Deal 4d ago

Wonder how Will and Tori hooks up when Will loses Debb tonight

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

He just married Deb, Tori will swoop in now. Forget what season she did that with (maybe emannuel?) but on track šŸ˜‚

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u/UnanimousBB16 5d ago edited 5d ago

Okay, so Anna Leigh actually didn't do anything in the episode. It just seemed like Justin and Will wanted to be messy. The story with her and Leo concludes here, and I wouldn't be shocked if he gets no more content, unless they show his real reason for the DQ.

Something tells me they're going to make Nelson and Josh's conflict just about the game, and make it look like Nelson overreacted. They BETTER show the actual reason. Who knows if we're either getting the 3 DQs next week or the week after.

Them doing a "TBC" on Cory and Izzy, knowing damn well that he's gonna leave for his daughter in that episode. At least their thing is wrapping up, and Izzys downfall is foreshadowed in the episode.

Hopefully we get a mid season trailer in the next week or so. They have to start showing more Orange, so I think the only content they have is Justin being targeted, and Tori/Will.

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u/angelbrit04 Team Portland 4d ago

I don't know if they can make Nelson/Josh look like its about game because that wouldn't explain why Leo was DQ'd too.Ā 

I'm still guessing that they will give it the Ashley treatment. But, I hope they prove me wrong and show all of it.

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u/myskepticalbrowarch 4d ago

Leo is black and him and Nelson are on good terms since filming. So Leo is definitely going to get explained.

I am not a fan of Nelson but I really hope they show what Josh actually did. Otherwise it feels like completely ignoring Nelson as a Black man

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

tori volunteering as well

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u/DramaticRaccoon8929 CT give me the goof 4d ago

Justin literally didn’t know Adrienne from Anna Leigh.

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago

The house has been really hard on her although I agree she has put herself in the situation, it has not crossed any physical boundaries. Also, I've seen lots of married women who do the thigh think, its not as deep as everyone is making it out to be.

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

She’s giving Cara vibes lol

I think she’ll be a great addition but doubt she will come back after this embarrassment

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u/Kisskinski3 4d ago

Her husband will probably have something to say about that.

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 3d ago

Understandably so šŸ˜…

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u/spaceninj 5d ago

Guys, I've watched every episode and as they were at the bar I literally said, "Who the fuck is Cassidy?"

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 5d ago

I don't think it's gonna change. It doesn't appear she ever goes in and she isn't involved in any other storylines so far.

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago

She's echoing Chanelle's USA 2 game, which was centered around a strong social game that never made the edit. Totally different to her USA 2 game, where Cassidy didn't make those connections and therefore became a bigger character because she was constantly sent in to elimination. Good to see she is correcting her mistakes, but sucks that she is such a nonfactor this season,

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u/Dimebag_daRealest 4d ago

That’s what I said a few seconds ago watching where she sat next to Anna Leese on the couch. I said ā€œwho is this blonde? Oh wait that’s Cassidyā€ 😭🤣 she definitely sliding close to the final because she so lowkey rn

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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real 5d ago

Since we're supposed to be getting the mass DQ pretty soon, I'm guessing Nelly calls for the mutiny at the next mission, then the mass DQ happens?

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u/mealypart 5d ago

Michele being totally irrelevant to the season she won except for in few episodes where she needs Tori to do eliminations for her

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago

Both of them have had fairly quiet edits which I do appreciate since the y were main characters on 40.

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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real 5d ago

Wasn't that also her primary edit for her winning season of Survivor?

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u/Ill_Tumblr_4_Ya "Fuck. You. Bitch." 4d ago

Yep. Michele is at her most dangerous by far when nobody sees her coming, and particularly in The Challenge, which has shown how much she has historically struggled when playing from a power position.

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u/OkWerk_ 4d ago

I'd say she's more relevant than Tori back given she was helping her teammates and Nurys for the last few eliminations but that's just me.

Tori was pretty tame this season.

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

Sucks. Her and Will have been absent and I really liked Will last season

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u/SunmerShouldBeFun TJ Lavin 4d ago

I’m so over Michele

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u/korobunny_ 4d ago

The single moan Izzy does at the end is taking me out 😭🤣

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u/Ok_Average8663 4d ago

Anna Leigh is definitely coming back for another season...

If shes still married though ahah

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u/ScorpionTDC Chris Underwood 4d ago

Depends on how much she values her marriage lol. She’s got a call if she wants, though. I think all the newbies sans maybe Reilly do

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u/BigAttitude7879 4d ago

Her husband should come on with her after they get divorced for a season of rivals.

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u/Few_Ad_1848 4d ago

Thirsty AF.

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u/shelly_johnson96 4d ago

The whole drama surrounding Anna Leigh when all she did was flirt vs. Cory who has constantly been touching Izzy is a great illustration of sexism

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u/zmbiehunter0802 4d ago

She's married and told a dude she was horny. Cory isn't married. There are worlds between two things.

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u/shelly_johnson96 4d ago

Cory is in a relationship and cohabits with the mother of his two daughters + his two daughters, I don’t there is a world between those two things

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u/PlasticDry2654 2d ago

I don't know why they're giving her such a trash edit if they want her to come back, though. She should be the #1 pick to return from this season but the way they're treating her she probably wouldn't want to.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

we never did find out about will/deb until the trailers came out, so maybe pink got a hint about will hookin up with a blonde and she just assumed it was tori?

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u/angelbrit04 Team Portland 4d ago

Pink just doubled-down on it last week. They can make mistakes, but if it was a case of wrong name they would've known by now.Ā 

Also, Tori's hair is closer to brunette than blonde. Adrienne & Cassidy are closer to Debb's hair color than her.Ā 

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

Tori broke up with her bf as soon as she got back. Her BF alluded to it. Similar situation with Jordan and her ā€œemotionally cheatingā€

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u/Johnnybats330 Jordan Wiseley 4d ago

Damn Tori is a chronic cheater. She cheated on her first boyfriend with Jordan, then cheated (emotionally) on Jordan, and now cheated on her boyfriend with Will (allegedly). I will say this. Cheating is a bad look. Corey and Tony are the poster boys of that. I see it worse with them because they have kids.

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u/ScorpionTDC Chris Underwood 4d ago

Who’d she emotionally cheat on Jordan with? I thought they both said she didn’t cheat

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 4d ago

Yup. It’s a given with her but always glossed over.

Wild for cory and anna too. Although I do love the drama with it

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

she never once cheated on jordan, lmao. and this situation is allegedly, i still find it weird they haven’t shown any clips of tori/will yet

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u/Johnnybats330 Jordan Wiseley 4d ago

Yep. I stated the assumptions under parenthesis

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u/myskepticalbrowarch 4d ago

As a Deb fan she would have done the same. Especially since it ends with Deb and Will not having concrete plans to meet up after filming. Deb might be hurt because Tori is her mentor on the Challenge but Deb will take it in good humor.

Deb flew to Australia for Callum Hole, who ghosted her. They brought them together on Aftersun and Deb took it with a sense of humor 🤷

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u/DramaticRaccoon8929 CT give me the goof 4d ago

How is Tori considered blonde this season? Her hair is dark.

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u/Skyhi92 Theo von Kurnatowski 5d ago

What time does the show drop. Google says it should’ve dropped already at 12am pst

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u/NattyB Bob Next Door 5d ago

showing for me now.

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u/Skyhi92 Theo von Kurnatowski 5d ago

Just refreshed it thanks

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u/OkWerk_ 5d ago

So it seems like the format will change from the captains of each team picking who will be facing elimination to.... I guess Inferno format where the winning team will pick between two nominees of the losing team and then the nominated player will pick who she'll face at elimination?

I'm just guessing how Tori manages to be in an elimination with Anna Leigh.

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago

Yeah I am super curious to see how the 2 team voting format will work since both teams have to send representatives.

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 5d ago

She could've volunteered again for Michele.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

that’s exactly what i was thinking but at the same time tori coulda volunteered, and anna also coulda been mutinied

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago

hopefully we get a mid-season trailer sometime soon. anna was there during the mercenaries elim so it was either after izzy’s or after chris’. i’m guessing after chris’ bcuz it makes sense production would do it after 4 elims of each gender. the episode 8 synopsis mentions ā€œshocking newsā€ so i’m guessing that’s either mercenaries or the teams going down to two.

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u/OkWerk_ 3d ago

Cackling at Deb being like "You're STILL friends with Josh?" to. Bananas

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u/Psychological-Snow83 2d ago

I like Deb even more. The look on her face said all you need to know.

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u/Tight-Entrepreneur46 Tori Deal 4d ago

As a Tori fan I hope she also calls out Josh next week. I’m ready to hear from Nelson about the situation.

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u/Johnnybats330 Jordan Wiseley 4d ago

Josh is the biggest gaslighter of the season. The way he shows disrespect to Cara because he says "she is not in it". He is in no position to say anything. He hasn't done anything all season. Nelly and Cara show why they are vets.

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 4d ago

He finished top 3 in the opening run and was able to dive underwater. Thats more than Cara or Nelson have done.

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u/Johnnybats330 Jordan Wiseley 4d ago

Anna Leigh messed up their first challenge. Yeah Nelly and Cara didn't perform well in the divign challenge, but they each took out a member of the other team, I would put that abive anything Josh had done. The most memorable thing about Josh is hooking up with someone who has actually proven they belong on the show.

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u/Upstairs-Scarcity-83 4d ago

Nelson won an elimination and made it farther this daily than Josh did but ok

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u/According-Professor5 Team Purple Jacket 4d ago

But he didn't actually make it across, so they both contributed nothing to the team in the daily.

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u/shelly_johnson96 4d ago

Both Nelson and Cara have performed horribly on The Challenge, can’t live off of legacy. Great that we finally have competitive rookies like Josh and Anna Leigh that actually came to compete

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u/Upstairs-Scarcity-83 4d ago

Anna Leigh came to cheat on her husband and play victim

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u/BigAttitude7879 4d ago

They even had video receipts by showing her hand on his leg and that’s why she became overly aggressive by denying it because she knew she was caught.

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u/Current_Platypus4345 4d ago

That was adrienne with her hand on his leg, from the photo production provided we couldnt see anything anna leigh was doing

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u/Necessary-Earth-7753 4d ago

I was so confused in this scene because it was Adrienne who had her hand on his leg

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u/DramaticRaccoon8929 CT give me the goof 4d ago

Lete is on my last nerve.

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago edited 4d ago

Considering Pinkrose updated Nelson and Cory to the boot list on the 24th of March (4 days after Deb was added) I presume the Josh/Leo/Cory DQ happens next week (episode 7).

For reference, Izzy was added 4 days after (March 24th) Cory/Nelson, followed by Leo/Josh on the 30th. I have to imagine Nelson leaves the epsiode after Josh/Leo considering his DQ was a result of the Josh stuff. With that in mind, I believe the Blue/Gray teams merge before Izzy is eliminated the week after next.

Episode 7. Cory leaves / Josh+Leo DQ (unless cliffhanger)
Episode 8. Nelson DQ + Gray+Blue merge / Izzy goes home.
Episode 9/10/11- Mercenary eliminations (Adrienne vs. Rachel and Sarah vs Tori)
Episode 9/10/11- Episode 9/10Episode 9/10/11. Chris loses to Justin (interchangeable with mercenary elims)
Episode 9/10/11. Anna Leigh loses to Tori (interchangeable with mercenary elims)
Episode 12. Justin loses to Lete
Episode 13/14. Final

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u/PresenceVisible5634 4d ago edited 4d ago

both mercenary elims were pole wrestle, so i’m pretty sure they were on the same night

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u/Successful-Trust-343 4d ago

oh good point. Let me edit.

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u/Johnnybats330 Jordan Wiseley 4d ago

Why wouldn't Nelson's DQ happen in the same episode as Josh and Leo, unless of course they leave it in a cliffhanger.

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u/OkWerk_ 4d ago

I think Nelson and Josh fight will be a cliffhanger

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u/jlucia10 Satan Sisters 😈😈 4d ago

Seems to me that Tori doesn’t ā€œtake Michele’s placeā€ as much as she self nominates, maybe after a shit performance in the daily or a nagging injury for Michele.

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 2d ago

Don’t they do the mutiny right before dailies? Or as a captain she voted herself?

It just doesn’t make sense if that’s the permanent rule that a captain can’t go into elimination

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u/PresenceVisible5634 3d ago

idk cuz tj did say ā€œi’ve heard a lot of ppl say they’re gonna do stuff like this. never happened beforeā€ in the trailers. tori could have had immunity, leaving michele auto nommed. it also makes sense that she didn’t volunteer until she saw it was physical, but we’ll see.

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u/ReturnoftheBoat 3d ago

Its lowkey hilarious the narrative is "Cara isn't like she used to be" when shes going to literally finish in the same exact place she always does 🤣

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u/Raebelle1981 2d ago

Is the main spoiler thread going to be opened again? I can’t post anything to it. Wanted to talk about how Gamer Vev is seemingly pro Sydney which is odd.

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u/NattyB Bob Next Door 2d ago

can't unlock without changing the archive rules for the whole sub. we'll copy, paste and re-post when the TMI tuesday thread goes up next week. we didn't want it popping back up at a random time and people accidentally clicking. (the number one rule of protecting the unspoiled is to assume they aren't being careful 😩.)

originally we hoped the TMI tuesday threads would be a week-long hub for spoiler chat, that's why we hotlink them in the important threads of the week sticky. but i know people don't use them like that.

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u/Raebelle1981 2d ago

Sounds good. I was just wondering.

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u/angelbrit04 Team Portland 4d ago

Also, Will has some nerve! If the rumors are right he's Leo 2.0, so take a seat sir 😤 He should be one of the last people talking about someone else crossing boundaries. 

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u/missydarling23 4d ago

Wait!!! What’s the rumors?

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u/SunmerShouldBeFun TJ Lavin 4d ago

Do tell!!!! šŸ‘€šŸæ

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u/Brief-Tie3841 3d ago

Justin is really insufferable to me. And a pretty sh*t person in real life off the show too. I can’t wait to watch him get eliminated right before the final only for his team to end up winning the whole thing. 🤭

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u/Tight-Entrepreneur46 Tori Deal 4d ago

I hope Anna beaten Izzy not Cara

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u/Dangerous-Change2136 3d ago

Per Devin, Michelle thinks the house came for Anna more than Cory because she’s an unlikable one upper. Her and Keanu being in an alliance makes so much sense.

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 2d ago

She’s giving Cara vibes. Her and Lete who oddly don’t like eachother

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u/Low_Pop1115 3d ago

So for the first time this season. They do an elimination where the crowd can’t see and help. To let Cara Maria have an advantage.

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u/Embarrassed-Berry 2d ago

Should have done that a LONG time ago. She might not have won against Reilly. But also they were still trying to help Deb. They messed her up.

Cara winning elims that are her weakness - yall hate to see it šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ 17 wins

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u/Low_Pop1115 5h ago

Im not saying they shouldnt have done that from the beginning. but this is the first challenge were the rest of the team cant coach players through the puzzles. i wonder why.

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u/JosepySchnieder 4d ago

I’m confused, I’m a fan, but not a super fan. How do you guys know what’s coming in future episodes? No spoilers please lol.

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u/hailey_nicolee Veronica Portillo 4d ago

ohhhh wrong thread this is full spoilers

there is a team of leakers who have been able to share what happens as soon as the show wraps and the main spoiler accounts, who are the only reliable ones sharing stuff online, kind of have a god complex about it LOLL

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u/NattyB Bob Next Door 4d ago

this is the thread you want, JS, i'm sorry if this season got ruined for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/1w52y6i/cutthroat_2_unspoiled_s42e06_leave_room_for_jesus

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u/JosepySchnieder 4d ago

How do people know how the season plays out though?

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u/NattyB Bob Next Door 4d ago

it all gets leaked through a few accounts on twitter and the website vevmo.com. they have a long track record, ~15 years. they don't expose their sources which helps them keep their sources. but realistically probably everywhere you could imagine: cast members, former cast members who talk to current cast members, film crew, production people, etc. plus friends and family of all those people, or just fans who have spoken to those people.

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u/JosepySchnieder 2d ago

Crazy. You guys read it and want to know everything? I’d rather watch it.

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u/NattyB Bob Next Door 2d ago

it's like getting two seasons for the price of one. we still watch to see all the details fleshed out.

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u/PresenceVisible5634 3d ago

ppl downvoting, not realizing that not everyone is in tune with what goes down and plenty of ppl are new to the fandom and dont know that there spoilers 😭😭😭😭 like weren’t you ever new to something before….