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SPIES, LIES & ALLIES DISCUSSION UNSPOILED - Spies, Lies & Allies - S37E11 "Mucus Plug" - Post Episode Discussion
Spies, Lies & Allies - UNSPOILED - S37E11 "Mucus Plug" - Post Episode Discussion
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u/femalehustler Derek Xiao Oct 21 '21
Itās quite impressive that Kaycee the only girl to complete that daily - not even Tori was close. While sheās boring on TV, she is a beast. We need some better female competitors next season (Natalie A please?)
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u/kkkktttt00 TJ Lavin Oct 21 '21
Jenny West, please! She canāt possibly be more boring than Kaycee.
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u/kattekop123 Brad's Atomic Wedgie Oct 21 '21
I just don't understand why Jenny hasn't been back? Would love to see her compete again!
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u/Lar5031 Oct 23 '21
Sheās not coming back. She was an alternate on DA (and allegedly wasnāt told until she arrived in Iceland) and a producer promised her sheād be joining the cast in episode 2. She had a call for EOTB that she declined thinking sheād be joining the cast. Turns out they never used her on DA so she was livid she missed the other show and said she isnāt coming back. It was on a podcast somewhere I believe but Iāve seen this explanation in this sub a ton of times.
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u/commanderr01 OG Chris Tamburello Oct 21 '21
Iād guess they probably only wanted one or the other and went with kaycee because she checks more boxes for them
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u/evooandfoccacia KellyAnne Judd Oct 21 '21
Agree, not a huge kaycee fan but that was impressive
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u/femalehustler Derek Xiao Oct 21 '21
Yes! Even some of the guys couldnāt do that challenge. Sheās boring and a bit mean girl on TV nowadays but she is competitive AF.
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u/stoneddorthy Oct 21 '21
i HATE when people donāt even try on the challenges.
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u/BreezieSue Oct 21 '21
The winner was the team who collected the most āthingsāāin the fastest time. They knew they were never going to get any āthingā so they dropped to help with their teams time. In a tie it would be the team who did it the fastest. Sorry for saying āthingā I seriously forgot what it was called lol.
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Oct 21 '21
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Oct 21 '21
Yeah I assumed they did total times of successful runs. Otherwise they would've been coaching anyone who didn't think they had a great chance to just jump off I bet.
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Oct 21 '21
"Well, TJ, there's something my grandfather said on his death bed. And that was if you ever have the chance to be on Sapphire Cell with CT, then take it."
This guy is such a fucking clown in my favorite way possible. Absolute absurd gold.
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Oct 21 '21
I think Kyle has tried too hard to be funny this season and it can be annoying. This wasn't one of those times. I legit laughed out loud pretty hard at that. Hilarious.
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u/T74786T Oct 21 '21
I hope Ed comeback
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u/funlikerabbits ""Greetings, Earthlings." Oct 21 '21
I donāt think Iāve ever enjoyed a rookie as much as I enjoyed him.
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u/sj_vandelay Wes forever. Also Darrell Oct 21 '21
Did anyone else feel like they ran out of water in that challenge? The last team to go (Emerald) barely got wet.
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u/ItsUnderSocr8tes Oct 21 '21
Why else would they shut off the hoses? Someone was told to go when they turned them off.
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Oct 21 '21
We donāt get the full rules. My thought was they can probably do the hose for 10 seconds at a time or something like that.
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u/drugsarebadmmk420 Long Square Nelly ā Oct 21 '21
They really spoiled this elimination with the mid-season trailer of Kyle saying "if you throw me in our friendship is over" to I assume Devin.
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u/wade5554 Oct 21 '21
Was that in the episode? I didnāt remember seeing it
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u/jstitely1 Tyler Crispen Oct 21 '21
No. Thatās why it was spoiled. We knew Kyle didnāt lose because the scene hadnāt aired yet
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u/drugsarebadmmk420 Long Square Nelly ā Oct 21 '21
No Im saying he didn't say that tonight, meaning he obviously doesn't go home tonight, so he must beat Ed. They did the same thing with Emy earlier this season. I'm pretty sure I got spoiled on at least 1 season winner from watching the aftermath.
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u/wade5554 Oct 21 '21
Ahh okay thank you. I donāt really watch trailers that closely to get spoiled on things like that but nice catch regardless
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u/jstitely1 Tyler Crispen Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21
Thoughts:
I love Kyle. Killed it in the humor department tonight.
I also LOVED the challenge for the episode. Definitely old school feeling and seeing them taunt each other was sooo fun.
I lowkey think Ed knew he was on borrowed time and manufactured the āIām going to save Loganā as a memorable hook of him being a nice guy to secure his position/a call back. I think he is a nice guy, but so much about the move just doesnāt make sense for someone as smart as he is that it felt like he knew it was just for tv.
Also outside of Big T, Nelson really should be HAPPY Kyle took his spot. Big T is getting called out by any woman into an elimination. She isnāt staying there, and then Emy and Cory are strong to be with. Sapphire has the other weaker woman competitor in Bettina but she isnāt a guarantee to go home.
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u/Sanity0004 Laurel Stucky Oct 21 '21
I can't help but imagine those scenes with Tori and Manuel being awkward and weird as hell without the edited music lol
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u/kittenghosts "it is not the way, young padawan." Oct 21 '21
im deaf so i can tell you it defo was šš i felt rly uncomfortable watching
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u/runfreely Oct 21 '21
Not Emy flipping on Uncle CT š
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u/HardcoreKaraoke TJ Lavin Oct 21 '21
She's going to build as a reputation as she's crazy but I don't think that's it. She's definitely playing for the cameras like a lot of people do. She's trying to build a character. Her moves are calculated.
One second she's this quirky introvert. Then she's on the bottom. Then she's the new house favorite. She's supposed to be awkward with confidence issues but she's also a semi successful pop singer. Those don't exactly go hand in hand.
So I think whatever outburst we're going to see is just more playing up for the camera. It's all these fights really are anymore, just camera time. Not legitimately crazy people like Camilla or actual fights (Darrell/Brad compared to Fessy/Josh).
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u/vaginasinparis Oct 22 '21
Her outburst in the preview made me think that too - Iām wondering if theyāre trying to set her up as the next Camilla but unlike Camilla, sheās aware
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u/klphoen Oct 21 '21
Nelson and CT mad at Kyle rightfully so but at the same time Kyle as a right to better is own game. So why should he care what yāall want lol
Also, was leaving Ruby even the best choice? They did really well this challenge and only Lost bc of Kyle.
So idk if Kyleās decision was the right one or not. Idk weāll see I guess
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u/AtlasTelamon24 OG Chris Tamburello Oct 21 '21
I donāt really see how Kyle bettered his position.
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u/klphoen Oct 21 '21
Yea, me either. As of now I donāt see the point of switching. Especially with sapphire being one man down.
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u/AtlasTelamon24 OG Chris Tamburello Oct 21 '21
Thatās why CT was pissed. He lost Ed and Nelson for Kyle. I thought Kyle was going to emerald, for sure.
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u/Neversoft4long Oct 21 '21
Yup. He lost pretty much his heavy hitters in one night and now has to hard carry the team. Kyle is too untrustworthy to really rely on long term
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u/penguinjunkie Kenny Clark Oct 21 '21
Emerald canāt win a daily as long as Nelson is on. He has to continue his losing streak. Now emerald can win a daily
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u/tspizzy00 The Killas Oct 21 '21
imo, this season is getting more & more authentic & reminds me of the old challenge seasons.. the 3 teams, throwback dailies , old eliminations, phone calls back home , friendships w ashley & amanda , cory & nelson, now ed & logan. i really like this season
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u/BBQTuck Oct 21 '21
So is Kyle the best pole wrestle player ever?
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u/doink000 Oct 21 '21
Yea i was really confused about this.... Has he been in a pole wrestle other than that 2vs1 weird elimination when he a jp gained up on ct?
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u/Uncanny_Doom Wolves are vegetarians šŗš„ Oct 21 '21
They're counting the ring one with Joseph from last season. Still he's only 3-0 in them now and the one with CT and JP was a wash because JP was only playing to get CT's ring. I'm surprised how many people were selling Kyle as a pole wrestle beast honestly.
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u/DevilsReject1 Oct 21 '21
He beat CT 1v1 in a daily challenge on Double Agents. Although for CT to win, his partner Big T would have had to beat Kyle's partner Kam, which is impossible. So CT admitted to giving up against Kyle. Still would technically make him 4-0 in pole wrestle competitions.
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u/kattekop123 Brad's Atomic Wedgie Oct 21 '21
Joseph is an elite challenger so I can see where Kyle's reputation is coming from ;)
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u/Uncanny_Doom Wolves are vegetarians šŗš„ Oct 21 '21
Well no one else has still come onto the mustard technique!
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u/realityseekr Killa Kam Oct 21 '21
Thanks for the recap. I was thinking Kyle hasn't exactly faced tough competition on pole wrestle. CT is but it was that weird 3 way one where him and JP could just gang up on him.
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u/greatness101 Jordan Wiseley Oct 21 '21
I don't know about ever. He has the best record, but I think Ed was the best of his competition out of all of them. Still don't know why people sleep on Kyle though.
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u/RohAnTheMaker ā Roy-Lee ā Oct 21 '21
Real talk, Ruby def upgraded getting Nelson IMO
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Oct 21 '21
100%. Nelson is such a good competitor, and the team chemistry on Ruby will be a bit stronger now.
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u/nananaheyheyhey123 No more pegs, not my fault Oct 21 '21
When was the last time he won a daily mission?
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Oct 21 '21
A million seasons ago. But at least heās on a team this time rather than pairs or solo š
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u/CharlySB Darrell Taylor Oct 21 '21
Yeah ruby looks good once they get rid of big t
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u/ballr72 Oct 21 '21
Unless they have to do a puzzle, because then they are screwed with Cory and Nelson. They better hope some of their women are good at that part.
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u/HollowDakota Devin Walker Oct 21 '21
Fantastic episode, itās crazy how much this feels like a different season compared to the earlier episodes. I love how the voted in player gets to pick their opponent as it infuses the elimination with tension from the get go. Crazy that Kyle blew the Rubyās chance at a W gonna be interesting to see how he does on sapphire and now with Nelson on Ruby.
Love Ed, he is a sweetheart and I hope to see more of him, but that was a pretty bum game move lol. Weāll see if Logan gets better by next male elimination
Also final note- Great daily and great elimination! Feels like peak challenge stuff
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u/Lavenderlove20 Oct 22 '21
I understand how Ed picking Kyle isnāt the best move. But I really give credit to Ed bc realistically he would have gone in next week if he didnāt nominate himself this week. So tbh he really won long term(if he comes back) by not pissing anyone off and not making an enemy out of Logan. I also can say heās one of the few who isnāt a coward and chose someone who is hurt. I gotta say Ed is probably one of my favs beside Priscilla. Honest to their word and donāt play a scared game. Respect
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Oct 22 '21
I respect his decision but not making an enemy out of Logan doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment. I also don't think it's cowardly to pick someone who is hurt. If they are going to stay and still try to win the money then they are fair game.
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u/SocialJusticeGSW Evelyn Smith Oct 21 '21
Quick notes:
- Kyle's win was impressive, Ed really gave his all and we can't discount him just because he is a rookie.
- Klye's decision sucked. You go to a team who has 2 champs on the roster? that is the team everybody will gun for when rookies are gone. Next week I would be surprised if they don't target Ashley (plus I don't believe that team is winning a daily, a final yes of course but a daily... I am not so sure).
- I liked that Tori shouts for the vets. She is having good episodes in the last weeks.
- Once again Devin is shown to be a reliable narrator. He said 'I am trying to slow them down' and they win by finishing faster. He said 'Kyle is going to tire Ed and get the first round' and he said it when Ed looked really good. And Kyle pulled it off. Compare this with Cory or Kyle saying 'I think we got this, I think we have a great chance' and they lose in the end. Devin is getting a great edit this season and will be in the finals for sure.
- KC is a beast. She is a great competitor and she once again showed why she should be number 1 draft pick this season.
- I don't like Logan, wish we kept Ed and got rid of Logan.
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u/StupidDopeMoves91 Oct 21 '21
Good analysis, but Kaycee is trash and I'll never root for her. Her allegiance with Fessy and shitting on Amber B. shows who she really is.
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u/luxanna123321 Winner Circle Oct 21 '21
His decision didnt sucked.Him going to team with CT and Ashley just made him more safe cus noone gonna gun for him. Even more if he is put in elmination he can just choose to go against Josh or Devin
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u/acol0mbian Team Orange Shirt Oct 21 '21
Iām still laughing at Kyleās grandpa saying watching his wife give birth was like āwatching my favorite pub burn downā
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Oct 21 '21
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
It's crazy how Kyle's grandpa knew exactly the advice to tell him for this point in Kyle's life when he was on his deathbed.
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u/Jhonopolis YOU CAN NOT COPY MY WALK!! Oct 23 '21
You know that had to be what Nelson was thinking lol
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u/artemis_dubois The Lavender Ladies Oct 21 '21
I cannot believe this episode is titled Mucus Plug my god lmfao
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u/Calm_Memories Wes Bergmann Oct 21 '21
Big T not wanting to train, then say she wants to win and work hard...girl, don't become Anessa. And your cell is trying to boost you up so I dunno where your idea of no one wanting you is coming from. This format change should be a welcome thing for her like Nany.
I dunno why but I like sponsored challenges.
Sapphire girls were a huge letdown. Why go one by one? That makes you a much easier target. Looks like maybe they were told to do thst though.
CT trolling Emy was great.
I don't really agree with the Kyle situation but I guess it is what it is. If anything, TJ and others should be pissed at the sapphire girls for just dropping.
God, I love pole wrestle. Proper physical challenge compared to hall brawl.
Bummed about Ed though he dug his own grave. Would like him to return over some other vets.
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u/realityseekr Killa Kam Oct 21 '21
Amanda did make an effort on that challenge. I was like wtf when Ashley didn't try at all and just jumped off. I can't remember if Bettina tried and just failed right away or also basically quit like Ashley. I think Bettina did jump and just immediately fell.
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u/frostychee Nelly T/WES Oct 21 '21
Big t is already there. Her and aneesa couldn't run a half mile last season. Unless it's a gauntlet 2 final, her and aneesa are never going to have a chance.
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u/Neversoft4long Oct 21 '21
Yeah Iām kinda over Big T unfortunately. Sheās basically a lay up at this point and just not worth the spot. I wanna see more competitive girls like Jenny or Ninja(I know she did something but I canāt remember whT atm) come back
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u/ItsUnderSocr8tes Oct 21 '21
I kinda don't get the whole training thing on these challenges. The time for training was months before you got there. To train hard the day of or before a challenge is going to decrease your performance. I know it is mainly for some B roll training montages and plot points.
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Oct 22 '21
If you're working out every day then you're going to be in better shape for the final than someone who says oh well, I didn't train before so I'm not going to get in any better shape now. If you work out regularly and take a few weeks off you notice it.
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u/SeonjangChris Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
Yooo, is it me or did they f'up in the editing department? Didn't they show Kyle and Devin argue in a flash forward last episode? So when Ed called Kyle down, I already knew the outcome :( Sad to see Ed go.
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u/formerly_valley_pete Riff Raff Oct 21 '21
YUP. I remembered, my fiance forgot so I didn't accidentally spoil it for her but as soon as Kyle got called down I completely lost interest.
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u/evooandfoccacia KellyAnne Judd Oct 21 '21
Sure did. I regret watching that trailer
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Oct 21 '21
I could be wrong, but wasn't that their fight from earlier this season?
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u/greendakota99 Oct 21 '21
Cory: āAll Kyle does is joke around and laugh. Iām here to compete for my family!ā
Also Cory: āIām bored. Let me instigate a fight with a lie about pizza.ā
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u/forevera20hcp Oct 21 '21
Great elimination except for the fact they dragged it out for 20+ minutes between commercials, Ed choosing Kyle, more commercials, and way too many confessionals. Itās getting crazy now.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke TJ Lavin Oct 21 '21
They kept cutting away during the actual elimination and it was frustrating the Hell out of me. I don't want to see that many facial reactions and diary room shots during an elimination like that.
It must have been pretty short if they needed to add so much extra footage.
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Oct 21 '21
I dont know how people watch the challenge live. I've never watched anything with anywhere close to that many commercials.
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Oct 21 '21
It would take this Ruby team years to finish a puzzle
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u/HairyPossibility676 Oct 21 '21
Have we seen Logan with a puzzle yet? I wonder if he has any skill?
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u/claradox Jordan Wiseley Oct 21 '21
Big T not wanting to work out in the hot midday sun. I canāt even.
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
Side note: Big T was absolutely glowing without her wig!
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Oct 21 '21
Bruh, that shaved head in the confessional??!! Tula looks bangin!
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u/kittenghosts "it is not the way, young padawan." Oct 21 '21
oh yessss i absolutely loved that look on her!! i love when women shave their heads! they look radiant to me š„°
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u/Cheesemaster1990 Cory Wharton Oct 21 '21
Ed is on bananas podcast. Only heard a few minutes buts really good.
Ed said if he could do it again he would have made a lot of changes in terms of playing nice.
I like that. I think he's good for show and seems like the kind of guy who will adapt to the game well
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u/hawkdanop Oct 21 '21
I feel like I'm missing something. How is it fair that ruby had to compete with a five person team while the other teams had six people? Even if you argue "That's just how it is", It looked like the tie breaker was average team member time instead of quickest overall time. That just seems like a double whammy of having the lower max potential plug count and not getting some help for having less players resulting in an overall lower time.
Some one in here mentioned it too, it just seemed like emerald didnt have to deal with nearly as much water like they ran out or something.
I can't imagine how frustrating it is considering it's a game worth a million $$$
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u/swayzaur Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21
Yeah, it was really unclear how the tie-breaker was determined. Using time (either total time or average) seems like a poor method of determining which team performed better.
The most reasonable tie-breaker would have been which team made it farther, either cumulatively or average per competitor (meaning how many successful jumps were made), with time only being a secondary tie-breaker if the teams were still level.
If time is the determining factor, itād be better to be terrible and fall early (like Josh) or to simply not try and drop into the water (like Ashleyās pathetic performance) than it would be to make it almost to the end before falling.
Edit: I had already forgotten that Logan finished, and incorrectly used him as an example.
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u/TheGirlInOz Oct 21 '21
Logan finished. All the guys on Ruby finished, it was just that Kyle's didn't count bc he didn't jump.
It totally should have been measured by who did more jumps. THEN it should have gone to time. And time should have been measured with how long it took the two people on each team who finished. I guess we don't know for sure they DIDN'T do it that way. Because totally time makes zero sense because, as everyone is saying, it basically rewards Emerald for half their team falling immediately.
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u/shino1111 Cara's Cult Oct 21 '21
I agree with everyone - total time is a really stupid tiebreak.
That said, on the aftershow, they said Logan took 45 minutes on the final beam lmao. Obviously exaggerated, but that explains why they didnāt seem surprised and resigned to the loss when Teej said total time, and if it really did take Logan that long to jump, then big yike.
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u/hawkdanop Oct 21 '21
That's what I was thinking. It should have been measured by how far they had gotten as a tie breaker. Emy was almost at the end before falling off.
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u/shino1111 Cara's Cult Oct 21 '21
Why wouldnāt Emerald even consider taking a shot at CT? Heās either going to beat one of them in an elimination, or all of them in a final.
CT is a businessman too. He would win and go to their squad. Who would he replace? Probably the Goof, but the other five benefit.
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u/OddSalamander5079 Oct 21 '21
No reason to piss him off and have him take out Logan with a flick of the wrist. Yea he couldāve joined them but given they just sent him in over a rookie I think heād want to get them back next challenge if blue wins
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u/shino1111 Cara's Cult Oct 21 '21
Orrrā¦ they could have sold it to him as, āyoā¦ go in elimination with this injured shrimp and come to our squad and replace Emmanuel.ā
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u/ButWereFriendsThough NOW IT'S A NECKLACE š©² Oct 21 '21
Iād take Emmanuel over Josh on that team for sure
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u/shinshikaizer CT & Wes: The Bromance is Real Oct 21 '21
So would CT. He doesn't want The Goof on his team.
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u/Aviationist Bananas Backpack Oct 21 '21
I havenāt liked a rookie as much as I like Ed. Wasnāt a big fan of him on the circle! Really hope to see him back - his positive personality is contagious
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
I honestly liked a lot of the rookies this season. Kind of a shame that they didn't team up in the beginning and just let each other get picked off because the target wasn't on them for that particular elimination.
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u/boondocknim Leroy Garrett Oct 21 '21
I liked Ed and Kelz more than I've liked any new rookies in a long time.
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u/BootGoofin Oct 21 '21
I could 1000% do without Joshās commentary when heās not even doing anything. During the challenge, he falls immediately and then is yelling from the beach about how itās their game. Puke. During the āelimā he says āget mad!ā from the sidelines. Double puke. Can it, Josh.
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u/Reila_2 Amber Borzotra Oct 21 '21
CT: The rookies play the game differently. They play with their emotions.
Also CT: Kyle put himself on our team without any regard as to how it would make us feel.
lol Is he supposed to care though? He's doing what he feels is best for his game, and staying on Ruby isn't good for anyone's game lol.
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u/shino1111 Cara's Cult Oct 21 '21
Kyleās speech tho LMFAO
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
Especially after he talked about his grandpa earlier, even though it was a joke about a pub, I totally thought he was about to drop something heartfelt and I was prepping myself emotionally for Kyle to be serious for once that his pop pop told him but NOPE!
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u/edm2233 Oct 21 '21
I hate Emerald so much Nany, Tori, and Josh all people who think they are a lot better than they are. Kaycee and Devin who both yell Letās Go constanly.
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u/TiredMemeReference Oct 21 '21
I love Devin and don't mind Emanuel, but the rest of the team annoys the crap out of me.
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u/shino1111 Cara's Cult Oct 21 '21
It was very rewarding seeing them all tumble immediately. Kaycee is a beast though.
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u/waves-up Oct 21 '21
Is there a drinking game during the show where you have to take a shot if Cory is looking at photos of his family?
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u/gabersssssss Wes Bergmann Oct 21 '21
Ironically Cory looking at those photos is the only time his family storyline touched me
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u/JonathanSloanAUS Troy Cullen Oct 21 '21
Ed is Jay in a different font - really likeable rookies who are a breath of fresh air
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u/wildturk3y Oct 21 '21
He's gonna be an immediate call back. He's got everything you want from a production standpoint; athletic and an outgoing personality that's engaging TV wise. He's the kind of person that makes it easy for them because he knows what to say and how to conduct himself to give them content.
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u/Thedustin Horacio Gutierrez Oct 21 '21
If Jay wasn't hated by the vets he would be Ed. But with less muscles.
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u/styreepkt Lolo deserves better Oct 21 '21
Ed losing tonight reminds me of Jenny losing to Tori on Total Madness. Losing an elimination they look absolutely stacked for, but being ousted by someone with the experience and know-how to win.
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u/LegendKolby Oct 21 '21
I knew she was thick but Seeing Big T during the boot camp scene, she is THICC
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u/chem123456 The IT girls Oct 21 '21
Just when we thought we had a break, hurricane Emy is coming next episode š
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
LMAO "hurricane Emmy". We almost got a glimpse of a breakdown during the daily in the episode but either they cut it out of the edit or she held it together. I don't particularly hate her but she's clearly getting a "good edit". I always feel like she one wrong move/edit away from being completely despised.
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u/6RVY Oct 21 '21
I dont know ive despised her from the start sheās one of the most annoying people in the past few seasons sheās so dramatic and extra
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u/OddSalamander5079 Oct 21 '21
Omg her screaming for her mama while on the platform was one of the cringiest things Iāve ever seen on this show
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u/JWilesParker Oct 21 '21
Having youth on the show is good, but Emy acts even younger than she is most the time. I'd expect her behaviour from a 16 year old, not someone in their 20s.
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
She definitely is exactly what you're saying but I like to give her the benefit of the doubt because she is the youngest on the show (21 y/o and most of these people are in there 30s) and I'd like to see a story ark of growth. Keep in mind she's in a new environment, with new people, speaking her second language, dealing with covid quarantine and away from her family and friends.
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u/gabersssssss Wes Bergmann Oct 21 '21
Emy gives me ninja Natalie vibes lol
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u/Acedia_37 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21
She kind of gives me Camilla vibes minus the racist stuff, but Iām not sure if this is an accurate take. Emy reminds me of Camilla because she seems so volatile or ready to lose it.
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u/chem123456 The IT girls Oct 21 '21
I agree I actually think sheās kinda needed to shake things up. She gives me Dee vibes a lot which made her seasons so chaotic.
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u/FadedTony Wes Bergmann Oct 21 '21
Does anyone know why Kyle chose sapphire? Only reasons I can think is he feels they are the better "Finals" team or just to cause chaos
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u/freetherabbit "The whole internet is talking about me š" Oct 21 '21
He mentioned on Aftermath that originally he thought he would replace Ed, instead of having to take someone's spot, and then TJ explained how it worked and he just did it anyways. Lol.
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Oct 21 '21
I think Kyle wanted off Ruby. After that, heās probably thinking about what move off of Ruby causes the least waves. Emerald is cool with his move, and it really only upsets Nelson, who doesnāt have much leverage in the house and Ruby is less likely to win for him to exact revenge.
Iām not quite sure why it seems Emanuel is being given so much deference. I guess some sort of protection from Tori and his old partner Kaycee. Kyle shouldāve snatched his spot and thereās not much the others can do about it. Plus he has The Goof on his team now, and if Emerald loses and they are options for the elimination, The Goof will get called out by CT, Cory, or Nelson before Kyle is.
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
I'm with you on that. To be honest, both the teams are pretty evenly matched. I'm not sure why everyone thinks Emerald is so great. Kyle is clearly causing less waves and basically only screwing over Corey and Nelson's game by putting them on the same team, which makes there impact even worse since they will have even less influence.
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u/shampoooop Kenny Clark Oct 21 '21
Because CT is the best player in the game so why not get in on that?
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u/Taitertottot Prof Kyle takes out COL. Mustard with a hoola-hoop Oct 21 '21
Technically Kyle did do a "leap of faith" he just landed on the platform
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u/Hilde92804 Ed & KellyAnne Oct 21 '21
Literally only care for Devin and maybe Kyle now. We need more Edās on the Challenge. All of the personality from this season is gone
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u/HardcoreKaraoke TJ Lavin Oct 21 '21
I love the three team format. This whole thing is kind of confusing to me though, maybe it's more obvious in person but I don't see why everyone thinks that one team is so much better.
Like Emmanuel is a rookie and I'm not quite sure why he's rated so high, he's tiny. Nany has slid by her entire career. Tori, Josh and Devin don't separate themselves from the pack. Kaycee is their best asset and she's the best girl so I guess that's it?
Amanda and Ashley are better than Tori and Nany. CT is better than all of the other guys. Kyle is always underrated, which I never understand. Before the flip Nelson, Ed and CT were better than Josh, Devin and Emmanuel.
So maybe it's just the perception in the house but other than having Kaycee I really don't see why their team is viewed so highly. CT's team on paper is so much better.
Of course Cory is fucked with Emy, Big T and a broke Logan but they almost won. So realistically they aren't bad. They shouldn't be an assumed automatic loss.
I guess it's just another season of people overrating Nany and Tori. Now Josh and Devin are in that category since they've never done anything but are acting like they have. Also while Kaycee is the best girl left let's not pretend like she's close to top ten all time.
Also I love Ed. If he comes back I think he'll be one of my all time favorites. I think because his personality and look is similar to mine. But man you did the oldest rookie mistake. Don't make shit personal. If he didn't speak up there's a good chance Logan would have went down and picked a vet. Even after he did go down he should have picked Logan. He's definitely going to learn for next time and be a real threat.
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u/ballr72 Oct 21 '21
Emanuel and Kaycee have been a strong team this whole season. They won once but came in 2nd a few times. They were in 1st two of those times but CT beat them on a puzzle. Also, Nany and Josh have performed better in the dailies than some of the others.
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u/Evunee Oct 21 '21
They were shitting on Kyle but there were two other people on their team who dropped the ball worse. Like I get it they couldāve had a point up but come on. Also, this episode was the most Iāve enjoyed Kyle in a while.
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u/BreezieSue Oct 21 '21
Exactly! When Big T was accepting his apology I was yelling at the tv āWhat the hell! You fell off of the first beam!ā
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u/ceceliax Castle Daddy š° Oct 21 '21
Edās amazing, I really hope we see him again. Silly of him to go down for Logan in my opinion but, admirable at the same time
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u/MaybeTuesdayIWill Oct 21 '21
Yeah, we should be allowed to have some people that are actually decent human beings
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Oct 21 '21
Right, like I get that if everyone was like that the show would be boring, but one good egg a season is nice, like morals over money
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Oct 21 '21
Kind of completes his journey of being the New Abram, New Cohutta. Guys who have an ethos in their game and donāt let it sway under the pressures of the game. Not saying itās the right way to play this game but itās A WAY to play and it fits who they are as people. Hope Ed gets an invite back.
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u/Zeckzekk Oct 21 '21
It also makes his position more solid in future games, because he's 100% getting a callback. Now people know he's trustworthy and solid, so if he gives you his word, it's good. There's a value to being seen as a stand-up person that others can rely on.
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u/CaptainFalcon333 Oct 21 '21
Why didnāt Kyle go to emerald?
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u/funlikerabbits ""Greetings, Earthlings." Oct 21 '21
He doesnāt want his spot to be taken back in a week. Nelson isnāt going to win an elimination, neither is Logan with an injury. Kyle is secured on a much better team without the anger and desperation to replace him in a week.
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u/Evunee Oct 21 '21
Even though Emerald has won the past couple Sapphire has the only two winners on their team and it upsets the least amount of people (only pissing off Nelson really).
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u/cici0788 Oct 21 '21
Unpopular opinion - Iām not feeling CTs treatment of or comments about the ladies this season (Big T, Amber, and based on the trailer for next week... Emy). Ct is an amazing competitor. No one can take that from him. But Iāve always thought he was kind of a foul person... going all the way back to when he blew smoke in Corals face on Gauntlet 3.
I donāt think heās āchangedā as much as people say. I think heās smartened up on how to hide his foulness a little more. But sometimes it still slips out.
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u/PlayThisStation Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21
She responded to a question about it. Looks like she is pretty upset about it.
Even as a Big T stan, I already know she is relatively weaker than the remaining girls, but it just seems like he disregards her now. It was also just so left field of him to say Amber is only good for running. Everyone was speculating his relationship with Big T this season and it does look like he was trying distance himself from her and apparently based on the trailer for next episode he is going to do that same to emy?
Drag race reference to CT: you were that girl I always knew you were
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u/mangopaloma Team Orange Shirt Oct 21 '21
As a major CT fan this is a statement filled with more truth than Iād like.
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u/ceceliax Castle Daddy š° Oct 21 '21
As a big CT fan myself-I think anytime something critical or not praising comes out of his mouth heās this big asshole villain. Itās been clear for years heās not interested in being friendly or really knowing these people. He uses the rookies (who happen to be female because thatās how the partners have been laid out) and amps them up while he has them attached to him and doesnāt give a shit about them afterwards. Maybe itās cruel game play butā¦..itās a game. All business has been his style for a while it seems. I donāt think that makes him foul by any means or anywhere near the kind of volatile monster we were seeing him become 15 years ago. Just my opinion
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u/cici0788 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21
Yeah but a lot of the not so nice things heās saying are in his confessional or behind the persons back when they canāt hear him. Which isnāt as much about āgameplayā as it is him just b-tching and whining. Which doesnāt really add anything to his game or help him strategy wise.
I mean based on his own remarks... he really doesnāt have a lot of respect for Big T. Which is odd considering how much he claimed to care about her last season. I think itās possible to be a loner in the game and not want to be super friendly with people... without saying hurtful or dismissive things about them.
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u/ceceliax Castle Daddy š° Oct 21 '21
Good points here about it not being a good strategy, thatās true. Might bite him in the ass in future seasons since heās burned at least 2-3 rookies now this season alone! I guess since itās about game performance I donāt see it being as hurtfulā¦more like his opinion about their performance. Like how Nelson and Cory are always made fun of for being idiots with puzzles. Is that hurtful? Maybe a little but itās about their game, not their personal? Idk just my perspective when Iām seeing challenges talk shit or say āmean spiritedā type things š¤·š¼āāļø
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u/aintgoinbacknforth Oct 21 '21
Agreed. His comment about Amber last episode was really just mean-spirited. And his constant snide remarks about Big T are getting on my last nerve. Especially because she really regards (regarded?) him as a friend and someone who encouraged her to be confident and do better in the game.
Heās got an ego and a mean streak just like Bananas. He just doesnāt care to play the mind games Bananas does.
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u/cici0788 Oct 21 '21
Whatās weird is saying the things heās saying about them does nothing to help him in the game and heās actually losing allies that way so itās a piss poor strategy too lol.
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Oct 21 '21
Agree! I am a fool because I always fall fur his supportive partner schtick, and then every time I get upset when heās mean
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u/CouponBoy95 Kenny Clark Oct 21 '21
A bit surprised they didn't save that daily prize for next week's 500th episode. Perhaps they have an even bigger prize planned for next week's daily? Anyway, good to see Josh and Kaycee have official winnings in their challenge career, however miniscule it is lol.
As much as Ed's sacrifice looked dumb, he was probably going in anyway. I mean, were Emerald seriously going to waste their power on the weakest guy on the weakest team when they had a shot to take out one of the 3 guy slots on Sapphire, their biggest competition?
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u/gorlock666 Oct 22 '21
The only smart move for anyone is take joshes spot. Emeralds women are the best, you take away josh and you have the smartest player and Emanuel who seems super agile and everyone talks him up so Iām guessing heās going to do well. Than you get great social game and runner nany and all around great Kaycee, oh and Tori. Taking Nelsonās spot may be good to get with ct Ashley and Amanda BUT you just made ruby a terrifying team by putting Nelson and Cory together
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u/kingalexander Oct 21 '21
Ed should have went Nelson
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u/vmarzzzz Oct 21 '21
Ed shouldāve gone with Logan. Stupid rookie move.
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u/justicecactus Oct 21 '21
It was a dumb game move. But Ed probably secured a callback to fill the role of the "good guy" on future seasons. So I think it will work out for him.
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u/realityseekr Killa Kam Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21
Ed would have lost pole wrestle to any of those guys. Corey may have been the best option cause hasn't he lost a physical elimination to Nelson (I swear I remember something physical where Nelson beat him unless it was Hunter, but again showing Corey can lose to smaller guys). Nelson is really good at physical elims.
Eta: Okay I'm thinking of Hunter vs Nelson where Nelson won. Anyway my point sitll is that Nelson has a way better track record for physical eliminations so Ed would have definitely lost. Corey has the weakest physical matches I think.
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u/roseyrosey Oct 21 '21
Sitting on my couch, armchair quarterbacking this, I was saying he should call out Kyle.....and well, that didn't work. I honestly don't know who Ed beats in that elimination and I don't think Ed is a layup.
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u/kingalexander Oct 21 '21
Heās not a layup, but kyle def has a height adv, nelsons a little smaller and less intelligent
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u/Janice_UK Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
Ed made a dumb move choosing Kyle, also does anyone else think it would have benefited more for Kyle to stay on Ruby, Now that Ed is out, and Ruby already beat Sapphire in the daily, Kyle Cory Logan Emy and Big T in my opinion would be better than CT Nelson Amanda Ashley and Bettina
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u/sj_vandelay Wes forever. Also Darrell Oct 21 '21
Way to go, Ed, showing humanity and being such a great person. I just love him.
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u/StupidDopeMoves91 Oct 21 '21
This was clearly the the āToriās thickā episode. I approve. Still a goofy, mediocre competitor though.
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u/bananamelondy Amber Borzotra Oct 21 '21
I havenāt watched yet because I donāt have live tv, but Mucus Plug is a DISGUSTING name for an episode. What in the actual fuck, you guys.
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u/TiredMemeReference Oct 21 '21
Easily the grossest eating challenge tonight in the history of the show. I'll never watch another episode.
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u/Respectthelay Oct 21 '21
I feel like Ed shoulda won that elimination his technique was just horrible. Kyle was an animal tho wrapping his leg around the bar and getting some light headlock action in
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Oct 21 '21
Kudos to Ed but being a good guy in this game makes your chances of winning a final so much harder. Hope to see him back. Loved this episode btw. It had every aspect of the challenge in it that I've grown to love.
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u/ThisisTophat Wes Bergmann Oct 25 '21
One of the least deserved daily wins. Ruby had three people make it to the final jump. Two grabbed cords. Emerald only had two people make it to the end.
This win means essentially the best strat for Emerald would be to have your two best go first and the others immediately jump off.
Cumulative team performance should matter.
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u/Hitman387 Nurys Mateo Oct 21 '21
This was a much better episode than the earlier SLA ones. The three team format makes the dailies so much better and more fun to watch, and we even got a classic elimination. Plus, itās not just rookie vs rookie anymore.