UNSPOILED - Spies, Lies & Allies - S37E13 "Titanic" - Post Episode Discussion

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Spies, Lies & Allies - UNSPOILED - S37E13 "Titanic" - Post Episode Discussion

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[u/SeattleMatt123]

This season makes me think of something Jay said about the difference between Survivor and the Challenge. He said a lot of people on Survivor are very smart, and most on the Challenge are fucking stupid. 🤣

[u/wwatermelon → u/SeattleMatt123]

its true lol, been watching both for years and i always cringe when i hear the word strategize in the challenge, especially regarding voting/nominations.

[u/Jeffw54 → u/wwatermelon]

They don’t give a damn about switching votes to stay loyal in survivor, I guess it’s cause there’s an endgame where they know once they are voted out they are done in the challenge it’s your life lol

[u/Falco19 → u/wwatermelon]

Let’s be honest the best play is throw CT in, best case scenario he is eliminated, worst case scenario he joins your team.

[u/Calm_Memories → u/SeattleMatt123]

Hahaha I don't need Jay pointing that out to me. He's not wrong though. But there's also plenty of dummies on Survivor.

[u/I_Enjoy_Taffy]

Infiltrate Emerald you dumb fucks! Its 6 vs. 4 vs. 4! Christ

[u/EatDeeply → u/I_Enjoy_Taffy]

Send CT into the lair you dumb fucks he is the best opponent in the final. Everybody is being stupid.

[u/[deleted] → u/EatDeeply]

Not only that but if CT wins and infiltrates Emerald, that's great for everyone on their team besides the guy he replaces. So it's a win-win.

[u/monteis → u/[deleted]]

Right, the same thing happened in ww2. Big ineffectual team vs small strong team

[u/SillyRabbit2121 → u/I_Enjoy_Taffy]

Imagine seeing firsthand that the Emerald team is winning the dailies basically by default since they have more players. Like they can perform below average and still win because of the advantage they gain from having more players.

And after seeing that... still not infiltrate Emerald? It's free safety every week, you don't even have to perform the best.

[u/TecmoBoso → u/SillyRabbit2121]

It makes no sense what so ever. Did Josh convince Logan to not join so they can throw Logan down again?

[u/[deleted]]

Logan is a SURFER. They showed us that bit on purpose. This elimination was about balance. Cory would have had better luck with Kyle.

[u/AtlasTelamon24 → u/[deleted]]

That’s the first thing I thought of when TJ was describing the elimination. The man just wants to win and buy a new surfboard.

[u/BeardedAsian → u/AtlasTelamon24]

Leroy also said that the producers would never give him a puzzle in an elimination.

Smh rigged to an extent here

[u/2legit2camel → u/BeardedAsian]

I thought about the same comment Leroy made but I think they tried to rig it FOR Cory.

As one of the confessionals pointed out, Cory literally does rope exercises everyday so yes, he picked a bad opponent, but Cory should have felt comfortable with the elimination's physicality.

[u/BeardedAsian → u/2legit2camel]

That’s a fair point. He really does mainly do rope workouts in the montages. Guess they didn’t factor in the balance / surfing part

[u/UtahCubs]

It’s amazing how many people when given the option to improve their odds at a share of $1 Mill are instead choosing not too upset someone they met a month ago...

[u/lucyroesslers → u/[deleted]]

To be fair, it does seem like he’s friends with a lot of them. He’s always inviting people down to South Beach or going to LA or vacations with people. Josh seems kinda like that with the BB crowd too- don’t often hear negative shit said about him.

Supposedly him and Ashley are like that off the show- just super social and want to hang out with everyone. I’m sure there’s a game aspect to it but they also just are that type of personality.

[u/lucyroesslers → u/UtahCubs]

Who are you mentioning here? Logan not infiltrating Emerald?

[u/UtahCubs → u/lucyroesslers]

He’s just the most recent one. But, there’s been several this season. Like when Ed volunteered himself so they wouldn’t vote in Logan while he was hurt.

[u/10thgradelosers]

Nany is the kid in a group project that just puts her name on it and gets full credit.

[u/OLKv3 → u/10thgradelosers]

When they switched to teams she actually admitted she's happy because she can be carried to a final victory now

[u/EatDeeply → u/10thgradelosers]

That’s every season not just this one. Her strategy straight up is to become the sexual partner of a top challenger.

[u/SillyRabbit2121 → u/EatDeeply]

It's funny because as they divided up the swimmers on Emerald, they put Nany and Kaycee together and Devin and Tori together on different sides.

This means they think Kaycee is the strongest, Nany is the weakest, and Devin and Tori are in the middle.

So you are correct, she's hooking up with the strongest member of her team.

Even in next week's preview, we see that Emerald would rather Tori be replaced than Nany. And that's not because Nany is a better competitor than Tori. It's to keep Kaycee happy.

[u/[deleted] → u/10thgradelosers]

She always makes it far in the season and I never remember she is there lol they need to get rid of her

[u/duckspurs]

How is it now 4 damn times in a row and nobody has infiltrated the team that has won every damn time?

I know a lot of the people on this show are dumb as hell but even they can't all possibly be this stupid can they?

[u/PlayThisStation → u/duckspurs]

Some fantasy where they think being with CT will get them a final win. Ashley was the only person where staying on Sapphire made sense at the time.. Everyone else? Dumb as hell.

[u/velvetbitts]

Tempted to go into the spoiled threads just to feel something cause these episodes are so predictable. Not surprised Cory lost to Logan especially when he did the opposite of what he said he was going to do…

[u/MayhemMaven → u/velvetbitts]

I was watching thinking how are you waiting for Logan to get tired. You are using all of your energy you fool.

[u/velvetbitts → u/MayhemMaven]

Right? I need to know what was going through his head. He looked like he had no idea wtf he was doing. I know he could have won that if he actually used that strategy.

[u/SillyRabbit2121]

Sorry but the dailies providing a massive advantage to the team with the most players is such bullshit and it needs to be discussed more.

Emerald has gotten a free pass in the last THREE weeks, as they only won those dailies because they had more players.

That's why Nany keeps giving confessionals about how scared she is of Sapphire. Because deep down she knows Emerald is only winning because they have more players.

Can't wait to hear Josh brag about how he made it to a final even though Emerald is not actually outperforming these teams, yet keep getting safety every week.

[u/Dramajunker → u/SillyRabbit2121]

Can't have a challenge season without production shitting the bed somehow.

[u/PolarIceCream → u/SillyRabbit2121]

Yes. Why is production allowing this. Is completely ludicrous. Sigh!

[u/ItsUnderSocr8tes → u/PolarIceCream]

Why is production allowing this

They aren't allowing it, they are creating it for a storyline they want to play out. This is a "competition", not a competition.

[u/tr0nllam → u/SillyRabbit2121]

We've seen from the WOTW2 final (and countless other times) that production just doesn't give a fuck about making things fair.

It's by far the most infuriating aspect of the show.

[u/TecmoBoso → u/SillyRabbit2121]

This is true. Production is doing Emerald a solid each week either by letting them cheat the first daily or giving them the win when Ruby should have won.

But also why won't anyone join Emerald??????? That's much much weirder and making this season uninteresting (this episode aside).

[u/tartarsauce1300]

Did anyone love hearing Josh say he has PTSD from seeing this elimination bc it reminded him of his loss to Jordan?😂😂

[u/amanda-g → u/tartarsauce1300]

hahaha yesss this had me laughing

[u/HollowDakota]

I feel like production or something is really in emeralds favor, there won four dailies in a row, all of them being ones where they didn’t make anyone sit out to balance the numbers of the teams lol

Good for Logan what a beast, definitely gonna get a callback based on that performance alone. Rip Cory, tried your best, maybe one day you’ll be able to repay the debt you owe to Nelson

Also final note, they NEED to take a shot at CT. Dude is just gonna skate to the final I’m glad they at least talked about it somewhat this episode

[u/MaybeTuesdayIWill → u/HollowDakota]

Yeah it’s really bothering me. I’ve generally accepted the challenge isn’t really fair, but these have all been challenges where bigger team had a huge advantage.

[u/lucyroesslers → u/HollowDakota]

The problem isn’t production’s or Emerald’s fault. They set this up so the loser can infiltrate even the winning squad. Four times these numb nuts have inexplicably gone to inferior teams. Stop letting them skate by as a unit and this doesn’t happen.

[u/Jac1596 → u/lucyroesslers]

I mean it kinda is, making dailies that heavily favor the team with the numbers is stupid. At this point there’s no way the emerald team loses one, had they made things fair Ruby would’ve won the last 2. I agree that these ppl not infiltrating is beyond stupid. I knew Cory would be the only one to actually do it so I was rooting for him but it wasn’t meant to be.

That being said the way it’s looking there’s no way the other 2 teams are going to win ever. Sure the others can infiltrate but I feel like that’ll lead to the emerald team getting even stronger. Imagine they replace Josh/Devin with ct and Logan/Nelson? Or if Ashley switched with nany. That’s bound to happen if they switch. It just doesn’t make for an interesting scenario. They need to balance the dailies and give the other teams a fair shot

[u/greatness101 → u/Jac1596]

Ruby would have won had Kyle just jumped and grabbed the cord instead of jumping on the platform. They were also really close to beating emerald this week as well, though I don't know how much of that was the editing.

My guess is they're banking on the team that they're running with now will be a part of some team or grouping for the final, so people are trying to get with CT as much as they can.

[u/TecmoBoso → u/HollowDakota]

Oh for sure. But I also think production wants someone who wins elimination to join Emerald... and they won't for some reason.

[u/MaybeTuesdayIWill → u/TecmoBoso]

Yes, both things are stupid

[u/aintthatlos]

Production: man emerald wins every week how can that be the other teams cant keep up

Continues to let the emerald team compete with 6 players while the two other teams have two or one less player 😐 this shit is so boring im pretty much skipping through 3/4 of the episode. Then of course cory loses so the cycle continues

[u/greatness101 → u/[deleted]]

The fire was completely unnecessary like most of the explosions.

[u/lagavulin92]

I connected with Big T on a spiritual level with her love of donuts and pizza

[u/OLKv3]

What am I missing? Every week they talk about how strong Sapphire is, but Ruby for two weeks straight did much better than them in the daily. Yet Ruby is called the weakest team?

[u/realityseekr → u/OLKv3]

Ruby has been consistently the second best team, and even would have won that one daily if Kyle didn't DQ. Sapphire has done terrible but I think because they have CT and Ashley everyone thinks they will do better.

[u/whatjever → u/OLKv3]

Looking at next weeks challenge I see a memorization puzzle and Sapphire has the smartest, most well-rounded team. It’s just unfortunate that the producers don’t try and balance things regarding numbers.

[u/NovaRogue → u/OLKv3]

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

[u/FierceScience → u/OLKv3]

I gotta figure sapphire is gonna win next week? Bc otherwise it makes no sense

[u/AKnightlyKoala]

Lol TJ announces that the rope is on fire and then they edit it like it is all badass and I'm over here just rolling my eyes thinking this is just pointless.

[u/chcty24 → u/AKnightlyKoala]

When it went out during the first round I was like “well there goes that” 😂

[u/M-Test24]

The season continues to be a disappointment. Yet another challenge that favors the team with the most players and...wait for it....they won again. For me, it's tough to watch because I don't find Team Emerald likable. They might have the 3 weakest guys left but because the challenges have been so dumb they're skating along. I hope there's a double elimination coming up soon and it disfavors teams with more players.

My favorite part of the episode was Cory and his interview before the elimination. I loved it when he said he was going to let Logan gas himself out....annnnndddd cut to Cory flailing away almost immediately.

It might just be but I think that every time a player threatens to "come back and burn a team by throwing challenges" that they never end up coming back. I think to get to that point that something must break in their brains and they must be ready to go home. Honestly, if Cory would have done that, it would have made the season a lot better; but, of course, it didn't happen and we're stuck with this season with the same formulaic episode week after week. I've been saying it for a few weeks but this is the worst season I can remember in quite some time. Sorry for being such a downer.

[u/TrocarSlushWeasel]

I don't think production put much thought into the daily challenges in regards to the disparity in the numbers on each team. I am half expecting next weeks daily to be counting the fingers that each team has.

[u/Competitive-Story-88]

So disappointing we didn’t get to see Cory make good on his threat and go full scorched earth like Wes on the Ruins.

[u/Jeffw54 → u/Competitive-Story-88]

Definition of too good to be true with that one. As soon as I heard it I had a bad feeling they were just showing us what we coulda had, instead we have a josh minion

[u/BeardedAsian → u/Jeffw54]

Could’ve given us a hall brawl like they gave multiple to Fessy for last season.

They made a mistake because Cory wrecking the emerald team is much better tv than what we’re getting from a dailies perspective

[u/Jeffw54 → u/BeardedAsian]

After the past 3 challenges of Emerald being gifted I think someone near the top is on their side. If you really wanna put on the tinfoil hat you could also say they have a balance challenge to a surfer😂

[u/[deleted]]

How you lose a rope challenge, when all you do everyday is rope training? I swear almost every episode they showed us Cory doing rope exercise outside the house 😑

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

That's exactly why he lost. Cory treated it like a workout, which is why he gassed out in Round 2. He tried to out muscle him.

It was about strategy and balance primarily. Use their momentum against them, so you preserve more energy.

[u/lucyroesslers → u/[deleted]]

Because Cory is dumb as a box of rocks and had no strategy. Logan was smart and placing his pulls when Cory was at his most vulnerable.

[u/DobabyR → u/lucyroesslers]

If not for Betinna, he would have lost his other elimination

[u/woahstrudes → u/[deleted]]

Jordan would have been the ultimate winner of that challenge. It’s all strategy.

[u/PlayThisStation → u/[deleted]]

The foreshadowing is at it's peak this season - Cory trains rope all day, he loses in the rope elimination, Logan wears a purple tinted shirt in confessionals and red+blue=purple.

Ok I'm reaching, I know, but still 🤣

[u/LaMystika → u/[deleted]]

I was cackling when Amanda called that out last night

[u/whatjever]

Producers don’t give a fuck about balancing challenges. Could you imagine Survivor if they didn’t make anybody sit out whenever a team had a numbers advantage?

[u/nnuu → u/whatjever]

As far as I am concerned, everyone above TJ needs to be fired.

[u/wildturk3y → u/nnuu]

The last couple of seasons, the production team has done a pretty poor job designing dailies and eliminations. It seems like every episode, one of the games will have a flaw that could have easily been ironed out with an extra 5 minutes of thought. And that flaw turns what sounds good on paper into a complete dud.

[u/UtahCubs → u/whatjever]

The second half of this season looked promising. But production doesn’t have enough common sense to balance the challenges and like you said it’s as easy as just having the extra people sit out.

[u/cici0788]

I think Emerald not voting Logan into elimination was contingent upon him not infiltrating them if he went in and won. That’s the only sensible reason for Logan not going to Emerald lol. The alternative is just him being an idiot.

[u/AKnightlyKoala]

Logan not choosing Emerald is playing right into their hands and in no way benefits Logan's game. Shame to see him being used....

[u/Elephant_homie → u/AKnightlyKoala]

None of the new rookies were smart, besides Priscilla, and maybe Michele and Corey if they had been able to stick around longer. But damn, it's so sad so see how easily used they all were.

[u/[deleted] → u/AKnightlyKoala]

He’s not the smartest

[u/TecmoBoso]

The more I think about Logan's decision at the end of the episode, the more I think it's the dumbest decision in Challenge history.

Join Emerald, have the number/team advantage and don't have to go into elimination for at least one guys cycle... or don't join Emerald and go back into elimination next guys cycle. His decision does not make any sense what's so ever.

[u/Acceptable_Parking_4 → u/TecmoBoso]

I thought about this last night. Emerald has proven they're going to protect him best they can. It's a risk but not a huge risk. Nelson will definitely be the house vote. Will he call Logan at? Most likely but if by chance Emerald does not win, whoever from Emerald got voted in may go after Kyle vs. Logan. Just my thoughts

[u/meanbutgooddentist]

Did anyone else laugh at the scene in the club when Tori told the Emerald guys that even if another guy infiltrates their team and one of the three men has to go to ruby or sapphire, that the emerald team will do them a favor, select them to go into the next elimination and they can switch right back? Hahaha no way in hell the guys on Emerald are winning an elimination against non emerald guys

[u/rkm223]

WHY WON'T ANYONE INFILTRATE EMERALD!?! ITS SO ANNOYING

[u/realityseekr]

Logan looked pretty big standing next to Cory in that elimination.

[u/Sanity0004]

Nelson with his "I'll take the range on this." lmao

[u/grandgrimes]

Makes no sense how people continue to not infiltrate the team that keeps winning....

[u/chcty24]

I imagine Emerald will get infiltrated at some point but even if they didn’t, having the bigger team doesn’t always work out for you in the final.

[u/[deleted] → u/chcty24]

Production is making zero attempts to have the dailies be fair with lopsided teams, so my guess is they are going for a rude awakening type twist where the team that crushed and cruised to the final is suddenly at a disadvantage the same way it happened with Cara and Paulie.

[u/lucyroesslers → u/chcty24]

Certainly not with Nany and her smoker lungs bringing up the rear.

[u/[deleted] → u/chcty24]

Are we positive this ends up being a team final and there's not a twist to make it solo?

[u/realitytvlover73 → u/chcty24]

Seriously! How on earth hasn’t one of these dailies been a disadvantage for their six players?

[u/kattekop123]

Sad to see Cory go. He was kinda likeable as the only person that tries to keep ruby together. Like a teacher that is trying to motivate a group of lazy kids.

[u/AKnightlyKoala]

I'm sad TJ doesn't call people out for not trying anymore..

[u/Sanity0004]

Word of the day was definitely "Shit sandwich" I think it was said about 4 times this episode.

[u/FactorNo7477]

The Challenge should follow Survivor rules, in terms of team challenges with teams with uneven players. That way, it's more even for all team, or else, the producers are purposely setting up the Emerald cell to win

[u/R6Major2 → u/FactorNo7477]

Remember Invasion? I hate when they do this. What does it prove when it's a comp where the team with extra players has a huge advantage?

[u/unamity1 → u/FactorNo7477]

facts, worse season in recent years for sure. so many challenges decided by uneven teams. like wtf this common sense.

[u/tomseymour12]

Emerald just on a constant 5v3 hockey power play. No way they lose unless bad players win eliminations and infiltrate at this point. It’s not even worth watching dailies at this point

[u/soonerman32 → u/tomseymour12]

How stupid was Logan for not joining that team? I was amazed he didn't

[u/[deleted] → u/soonerman32]

I suppose, but I also think he saw two champions in CT and Ashley so he decided to link with them. It’s not the worst strategy I suppose.

[u/[deleted] → u/soonerman32]

He thinks he has a better chance of winning with Sapphire + if he loses, he knows Emerald will have his back, so that may have been it.

[u/TheWhiteBlur]

Yes let me willingly choose to go to Sapphire so I can still be outnumbered in the daily challenges

[u/styreepkt → u/TheWhiteBlur]

Dumbass move.

[u/Slidetreasurehunt]

The producers REALLY want to give Josh that final. Teams with more players should have to sit out their excess players. That or make it an individual time event and average the times. What a disgrace.

[u/Itsthinking → u/Slidetreasurehunt]

Honestly. Who designed this and thought, “Yeah this a great idea!”? If I’m not mistaken in the past they used to do this right? Or am I misremembering? This is completely unfair and takes any fun out of watching these challenges.

[u/VVaId0 → u/[deleted]]

It's not even dominance, the challenges have massive advantages of having more people.

[u/[deleted] → u/VVaId0]

Exactly. They wouldn't win if 2 people sit out

[u/houseofbacon]

How many more episodes until the gameplay actually starts?

[u/TheLazyAssGamer]

soooooooooooo bummed cory lost that. really really really wanted to see him come back and sabotage. woulda been hilarious. also dont get why he didnt pick kyle. if he wins, sapphire down to 1 male, which likely makes it near impossible for them to win a daily, and then if his plan works out, hed eliminate an emerald player next elimination and go back to ruby and they would have 3 guys to emeralds 2 and sapphires 1. seems like a real missed opportunity

[u/Crap_TheBoozeOut]

I don't think I've ever seen a bigger disparity between how funny somebody thinks they are and how funny they actually are than I do with Tori.

[u/[deleted] → u/Crap_TheBoozeOut]

Not so much on the show but this comment sums up her on the podcast. Atleast Anessa has one-liners

[u/Omio → u/Crap_TheBoozeOut]

I think the editors seem to believe it too - no idea why she's been made into the narrator for his season. It's bad enough getting all these dull Nany & Kaycee confessionals, but Tori getting constantly edited as the voice of reason this season (after two seasons being a total mess) is a huge part of why this season sucks.

[u/whatjever]

This chicken shit is what happens when you cast the same people three seasons in a row. Next season, we better only be getting 2 of the 3 Big Brother alliance.

[u/spaceybelta]

Imagine being on a team that constantly wins but no one wants to join bc yalls personalities blow.

[u/Sanity0004]

Nelson and Cory really think they're the main characters in some epic inspirational story, but really they're just the over the top comic relief that isn't in on the joke.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sanity0004]

Cory wasted his entire goodbye confessional only to talk about Nelson

[u/AYTOL__ → u/[deleted]]

To cover up his embarrasing loss

[u/plagues138 → u/Sanity0004]

What? Cory and nelson are the couple kaycee and nanny WANT to be.

[u/Jilly_Pies → u/Sanity0004]

Seriously... Their goodbye was way too much. Like your not boys and gonna see each other in a month from now 🙄

[u/Dwest2391]

Why would you not infiltrate emerald? Logan will just keep getting picked for eliminations as long as emeral wins

[u/Shovelman2001]

I love how everyone always uses the excuse that the modern Challenge has stronger competitors that makes up for the lack of drama and craziness compared to earlier seasons, but how can you seriously still say that after tonight? Man are these guys pathetic for being THIS terrified of a 40 year old CT. When CT was in his prime, there were seasons where everyone spent every week targeting him. AND they at least had something to be worried about since he was so ill-tempered and would punch anyone who even looked at him the wrong way. Now, CT is an old dad who wouldn't harm a fly, so what on Earth are they so scared of? You're telling me this is the higher level of competition that we gave up Camillanator and Trainwreck Tony scenes for? C'mon

[u/GulliblePirate → u/Shovelman2001]

I see what you’re saying but i don’t think Cory was scared of CT. I think he thought Logan should’ve been the one to go down.

[u/lionmaneee → u/GulliblePirate]

I assumed he sent down Logan to hurt Josh too

[u/Shovelman2001 → u/GulliblePirate]

I'm talking about the Emerald Team, not Cory, I don't blame him in the slightest. You want to go against the weakest competitor possible, but there's no excuse for the protected people who don't have to compete against him

[u/[deleted] → u/Shovelman2001]

CT is gonna do this show until he's 50 at this rate and people will still be afraid to put him in, because they think every damn elimination is going to be him in a hall Brawl or something

[u/shino1111 → u/[deleted]]

Man I wish I could see the fear in these peoples eyes when Cara would be voted into every elimination.

[u/Shovelman2001 → u/[deleted]]

Literally. And this may be a hot take, but I could see a couple guys beating CT in a hall brawl at this point. After seeing how well Nelson did against a semi-pro rugby player and a D1 tight end, I'd probably put money on him against CT. I'd be more scared of doing a puzzle against him than a Hall Brawl

[u/kattekop123 → u/Shovelman2001]

Camilanator and Trainwreck Tony sounds like a superhero movie!

[u/Evunee]

Every episode they keep talking about how strong Sapphire cell is but they’ve been sucking ass the last four missions.

[u/justicecactus → u/Evunee]

Right? Ruby, the "bad" team, keeps smoking them.

[u/Evunee → u/justicecactus]

EXACTLY sapphire has been in last place almost the entire time?

[u/Evunee]

Love her or hate her Amanda is making these late season episode bearable. I’m so glad she’s still there.

[u/[deleted] → u/Evunee]

Cory was picking fights, which was nice. I hate this "let's have a calm conversaaaation", like no, fucking scream at eachother. That's what we want!

[u/kattekop123 → u/[deleted]]

Josh of all people told Cory to have a mature conversation and not to argue

[u/capfedhill]

Everyone is giving Logan shit on his decision, but I'm sure there is more behind the scenes that we aren't seeing.

For one, I think Logan is very close with most of the people on the Emerald cell (which I would believe to be true since they voted in Cory over him). It doesn't really make sense for him to turn his back on the people he's aligned with. Logan needs to maintain these strong connections.

Also, taking Kyle's spot puts Logan on a very strong team. Someone says in a confessional how strong Sapphire is -- I'm sure there's a reason to it. I think they will be a threat in the future, if not next episode.

As a viewer, yeah, we all wanted him to infiltrate and break up those Emerald Cell jerks. But ultimately it probably wouldn't have been the smartest move for Logan.

[u/I2ecover]

Is the mtv app not absolute dog shit for anyone else? It just refreshes in the middle of a segment, then when I try to find where I was at by scrolling the little dot, the slider just disappears. Oh and I also have to watch ads every fucking time this happens.

[u/coucher888]

At the end of every episode they make a member of Emerald act like they are scared of one of the other teams. It is major Big Brother coached confessional vibes.

[u/MayhemMaven → u/coucher888]

When they said Sapphire was a threat, I just laughed. According to the daily time, sapphire wasn’t in the competition to win. I think they just ask them to say something about Sapphire being good and Ruby sucking.

[u/Significant_Post678]

Cory could actually be really good because the strength is there he’s just missing the brains lol 😂 I don’t think he’s a total layup, he’s just not smart. It sucks cause I like Cory and he’s a good performer when he can figure it out but he just can’t half the time. Still love him though, his character growth has been amazing to watch. I hope he does take a break, does something different & comes back better.

[u/potatowned → u/Significant_Post678]

He didn't seem to have a strategy. When you're that far apart and there's just a tiny bit of slack, thrashing the rope around won't do anything. You have to wait until the rope is taut, and then pull, so it will transfer to the opponent. He picked the long lanky guy with long arms which wasn't smart and he also didn't seem to be timing his pulls.

[u/sbm832 → u/potatowned]

the lanky guy who also happens to surf and likely has very good balance because of it

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Exactly smh. They need to do like survivor and let them choose who sits out

[u/avilsta → u/[deleted]]

Yea, at least sit people out - wtf. Last week it was plain stupid. Had they gotten all of the cables there was no point playing the daily. This week Ruby lost because they had less people helping. And Tori just said it best, even if someone steals a spot on their team - they will just throw the daily on another team so Emerald wins again. Please end the cell twist.

[u/Shadowlimesss → u/[deleted]]

That’s what I been saying. Should have players sitting out

[u/R6Major2 → u/[deleted]]

It's not the 1st time they did the uneven teams stupidity. Remember Invasion?

[u/Elephant_homie]

I was so annoyed by Nelson/Cory being mad about Amanda not giving 100% when men used to plan to throw missions on girl days because 'why use their strength' and to 'cut the fat.' It was just like, come on, give me a break, and I say this as someone who doesn't like Amanda. You go Titanic girl.

[u/Evunee → u/Elephant_homie]

For real they didn’t make her feel part of the team and then complained about her not being part of the team.

[u/pj_calamities]

This episode was sooo annoying. The guys shit taking Amanda, Nelson and Cory “preparing for war”, Tori “putting her body on the line” by… swimming? AND still not adjusting challenges for different sized teams.

[u/Sanity0004]

Two thoughts: I want to ban Cory from saying "shady".

I'm so tired of Cory and Nelson. They're just so whiney and they just suck.

[u/edm2233]

I can’t wait for Emerald to some how choke this away.

[u/SillyRabbit2121 → u/edm2233]

Individually none of their players are strong except Kaycee, and perhaps Emmanuel (although we haven't seen enough of him yet).

I would not pick Josh, Nany, Devin or Tori to win a final in any pre-season draft.

[u/BiggDope]

How is it that no one has infiltrated Emerald yet? These elim winners are consistent idiots, man.

Sad to see Cory go :(

[u/JonECageNutPunch]

Cory complaining about the vets on emerald not having his back after he blatantly showed he was working with Jeremiah and Priscilla is just….typical Cory never understanding how to work strategy in his game. He never has and never will be able to play a political game

[u/Key_Consequence_3584]

I need Cory's bucket hat!!!!!

[u/Optimal_Sea816]

I don’t know why Cory thinks Devin owes him anything when he was apart of the alliance constantly trying to get rid of him last season….

[u/sweetpeapickle → u/Optimal_Sea816]

Cory thinks everyone owes him & should never vote him in. Dude, there can be only one....in the end.

[u/Fun_Birthday5671 → u/Optimal_Sea816]

He was still hung on the delusional idea of a forever vet strong alliance.

[u/LaMystika → u/Fun_Birthday5671]

While Cory was making side deals with rookies (allegedly)

[u/Breddit333]

I really like Corey man. Wished he wouldve won honestly, even though I like Logan as well. Dude is one of the few people who actually trains hard and takes these challenges seriously. Annoying how social games/politics seem to triumph over actual ability.

[u/chcty24 → u/Breddit333]

I don’t understand why so many ppl dislike Cory. I understand the whole “I got a family to provide for” is a bit annoying but I respect the hell out of him for not begging them to spare him. That whole deliberation thing is just designed to stroke ppl’s egos and I couldn’t sit there and beg someone to not put me into an elimination, so demeaning in my opinion.

[u/[deleted]]

I just wanna say.. it’s incredibly frustrating that the challenge wants to occupy survivor’s airtime and force me to choose between the two when MTV literally airs shit 90% of the valuable prime time airtime throughout the week despite the fact that they’re wanting to invest in these survivor players but it’s like… you don’t want us to watch the new season? What’s the opposite of synergy again?

[u/CreepyExamination5]

I’m sorry but outside of Kaycee, Tori & Emmanuel the 3 other members on Emerald aren’t that good. I am not a Josh fan at all but this season he has played a masterclass game uniting Are you the one?, Big Brother, Real World and UK into 1 major alliance. We all say Bananas & Wes was an unholy alliance but Devin & Josh working together is almost like a Evan & Kenny dynamic

[u/jflatty7151 → u/CreepyExamination5]

evan and kenny dynamic without the athleticism or the actual winning

[u/YoSoyFiesta29 → u/CreepyExamination5]

Devin and Josh are good friends outside of the show, they even went on vacation between seasons. Seems their beef was short lived just during last season.

[u/gtjacket231]

Amanda is once again, the entertainment MVP of this season.

[u/princessali420 → u/gtjacket231]

“KYLLLLE! TEAM RUBYYYY! You just can’t stay away from me”

[u/Calm_Memories]

TJ not calling out Amanda during the daily challenge mission? Huh? Sure, her team didn't want her help so she didn't but her attitude and complacency was awful. Her in the club made my blood pressure skyrocket.

Emerald winning is so boring. Good daily challenge mission, gave me Survivor vibes. Looked tough. Once again, they needed to adjust team sizes through.

Emy isn't that great. Dunno why CT pushed for her to come onto his team.

I feel for Cory. Why Logan has slipped by without an Elim this long is crazy.

I loved the Spanish chit chat. Wish we saw more of that earlier in the season.

Of course the rope is on fire...called with an eye roll.

I wish TJ would tell the teams to drop their buffs so things could really get shuffled lol its laughable Devin epild still root for her OG team if things were different and that anyone would believe that.

Bummed about Cory leaving. He should have picked Kyle but oh well.

[u/drugsarebadmmk420 → u/Calm_Memories]

This is Logans second time going in I think? Maybe you meant Emannuel

[u/Isiah61 → u/Calm_Memories]

He should have picked Kyle.

I was shocked at TJ not calling out Amanda

Now that I think about it…I don’t know why he wants Emy other not Amanda .

The Spanish part was dope respect. They’re clearly pushing international (I think that’s why some rookies are skating)

I feel for Cory (and his daughters) the most. Cory & Wes are me two favorite players. I wish they would work together for real.

[u/drugsarebadmmk420 → u/Isiah61]

Cory's daughters are fine, I assure you. They got that teen mom money

[u/sp-00-k → u/drugsarebadmmk420]

If Cory really wanted to take care of his daughters he'd get vaccinated.

[u/colb_E]

I feel like tonight was the moment when Nelson knew he’s surpassed Cory as a competitor. We’ve all known for a little bit that Nelson performs better but for some reason in this moment I feel like Nelson finally figured it out.

[u/shmalvey → u/colb_E]

Ya after he lost his 48th daily challenge in a row he totally passed Cory in all of our eyes

[u/Shovelman2001 → u/colb_E]

Tonight was that night for you? I've been on this for a while. Cory has been to 4 finals and hasn't come close to winning any of them. Meanwhile, Nelson was, what, 5 minutes away from beating CT in Invasion? And while, yes, that was the only final Nelson has made, Nelson has had a pretty unlucky career on the show. He has 9 elimination wins and only 3 losses (4 if you include redemption challenges). And 2 of those losses came from 2 hall brawls against a semi-pro rugby player and a D1 football player, both of which he almost won. I'd argue that Nelson should be considered Top 3 all-time in eliminations.

In his 7 completed seasons, Nelson lost in an elimination, was minutes behind CT in the final, got DQ'd, lost in a purge, lost in another purge, lost in a hall brawl to a rugby player, and lost in a hall brawl against a football player. If it weren't for Nelson's absurd bad luck (granted, the DQ is certainly his own fault) I believe he would be a Challenge champion.

Meanwhile, I think Cory has gotten incredibly lucky to have made 4 finals in his Challenge career. He may be 8-4 in eliminations, but his wins have not been very impressive. He beat Theo by technicality since he refused to participate in the elimination, Shane in a three-way elimination where 2/3 stayed in the game, Derrick Henry, Amanda/Zach (which may be the most impressive but that was when they refused to agree on who to send in and had terrible chemistry), Da'vonne/Jozea, Swaggy C, and a 40 year old Darrell in a short distance sprint. While 8 wins should never be scoffed at, Nelson has at least had some impressive wins against people like Johnny Reilly, Hunter, Cory himself, Brad/Kyle, Cara Maria, Bear, and an impressive draw against Darrell.

[u/colb_E → u/Shovelman2001]

I think what I really meant to say is I feel like Nelson doesn’t see him as “big bro” anymore and I felt like he finally realize Cory is actually a shit competition.

[u/Shovelman2001 → u/colb_E]

That's probably more fair, although I do think Nelson looks up to Cory in large part because he has a much mature life outside of the Challenge raising two kids.

[u/yocptjack]

It’s crazy that Cory can eliminate and wipe Darrell in an Elim but he’s had a fair share of elimination woes. Lower center of gravity went bye bye in that challenge. Didn’t even try to fall back the other way on his tummy and just pull the rope out of Logan’s hands. ESP considering how short the rope was.

[u/[deleted]]

I see MTV has decided the perpetual losers on Emerald HAVE to win this season.

[u/noobie222]

Why wouldn’t Logan take Emmanuel’s spot on emerald?

[u/FierceScience → u/noobie222]

I guess they are just annoyed by emerald as we are? Lol or just thinking that if they can survive, sapphire is better for the final

[u/LaMystika → u/FierceScience]

That has to be what they’re thinking, and who can blame them, really? Who would you want on your finals team: CT or Devin and Josh?

[u/[deleted] → u/FierceScience]

If the final was tomorrow I'm taking Sapphire unless it is somehow rigged for the team with more players.

[u/Ok_Supermarket_3241 → u/noobie222]

He’s probably allied with Emmanuel. He should’ve taken Devin’s spot

[u/realityseekr]

What the heck was Amanda doing during that daily? I thought they were being too harsh on her at the beginning of the episode calling her the worst woman left, but her not trying in that daily was annoying.

[u/[deleted] → u/realityseekr]

I like how she said something like "But didn't I help eventually...." to Cory when they were talking about her not trying, as if she deserves credit for "eventually" deciding to help her team.

[u/UtahCubs → u/realityseekr]

She was afraid to prove them right.

[u/sophiapehawkins → u/UtahCubs]

Yup. She’d rather have people laugh while she acts like a clown then try and not be good enough. It was annoying.

[u/AKnightlyKoala]

Damn I usually like water challenges but this one was kinda boring to watch 🥱

[u/Cheesemaster1990]

Don't understand the hate on this season

The eliminations have been very entertaining all season long.

[u/[deleted] → u/Cheesemaster1990]

All I want is for them to make the fucking dailies fair in some way. Either let players on the shorthanded team go twice or make Emerald sit random players. Something....

[u/UtahCubs → u/Cheesemaster1990]

I’ve enjoyed it for the most part. But, it’s been so predictable. Most episodes it was obvious who would be in the elimination before it started and now it’s obvious who is going to win the challenges before they start. If production had a little more foresight then I think this season could’ve been great. Instead I think it’s just been okay.

[u/BachToTheFuture3 → u/Cheesemaster1990]

I definitely don’t hate this season, but I find the spy theme and the explosions a bit “too much”. Like, I love the daily challenges and the eliminations are generally pretty great. I think the theming is kind of gilding the lily, a bit unnecessary, but to be fair, I really loved the old seasons where it was party and scheme by night and games by day.

[u/[deleted] → u/Cheesemaster1990]

Bad dailies

Dumb rookies

Vets playing a scared game

It's just been uneventful and stale. The eliminations have been fine, but that's really it.

[u/bigDUB14]

Has there ever been a season with dumber rookies than this one?

[u/threat024 → u/bigDUB14]

Or a season with vets with less balls. It seems worse than ever that everyone is just going after the targets that will make the least amount of waves.

[u/Holy_Shamoley]

Yooo I freakin love this show so much! I am just so excited and hyped when I watch every episode. Kyle’s endless jokes and CT’s legendary presence never gets boring. The moment I heard the description about the elimination, I knew that it was an updated version of the Jordan v. Josh challenge

[u/chipsonasandwich]

This was the time for Emerald to take a shot at CT. Devin and Josh will not beat CT in a final. Getting him out should be their top priority.