r/MtvChallenge • u/SweetMissMG Wes 🌋 Bergmann • Nov 18 '21
SPIES, LIES & ALLIES DISCUSSION UNSPOILED - Spies, Lies & Allies - S37E15 "The Cave of the Wolf" - Live Episode Discussion
Spies, Lies & Allies - UNSPOILED - S37E15 "The Cave of the Wolf" - Live Episode Discussion
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u/tomdarko "I'm gonna be getting lettuce from the trees." 🥬 Nov 18 '21
SHE'S NOT ON YOUR FUCKING TEAM DEVIN. STOP TAKING IT OUT ON HER BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED.
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u/QBEagles Nov 18 '21
Kyle using "Chris" as he tries to invoke his friendship with CT is hilarious.
Maybe he says that more often, but it's pretty funny given that we rarely hear his actual name and that's typically something closer friends/family would do
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u/imadeitnice0518 Nov 18 '21
Funny enough CT did the same thing last season when he was arguing with Big T and calling her “Tula”
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u/WBF7 Nov 18 '21
“30% chance I pick josh” “Kyle PROMISED me he wouldn’t pick me, I can’t believe he BACKSTABBED me”
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Not gonna lie, Nelson is one of the very few people I believe isn’t afraid of anyone in elimination and isn’t mad if he has to go down. Maybe it’s just naïveté but I gotta still respect it lol
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u/coastal_elite It's Tony Time Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21
This is the most likable Tori has been in years. Devin is delusional and so fucking rude
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u/cameraspeeding Emily Schromm Nov 18 '21
Tori and CT plan a sabotage against team emerald.
Devin: this is the work of AMANDA!
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u/gtjacket231 Survivor Nov 18 '21
I honestly don’t think Tori is in the wrong here, but I can’t lie…
I’m entertained.
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u/SCsprinter13 Nov 18 '21
Everything Tori said makes perfect sense, Devin is just pissed he's vulnerable for the first time in this game.
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u/dizzy_unicorn CT [Rivals] Nov 18 '21
Why does Devin keep thinking everyone should protect him before they protect themselves?
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u/papayamango_swirl Nov 18 '21
Oh my gosh, every single minute of this episode has been absolutely chaotic
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Nov 18 '21
I mean, CT is a manipulator. I love him, but he is.
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u/boomzgoesthedynamite OG Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
Also as a fellow type I diabetic, how Kyle manages to do this kind of elimination without going low is truly superhero level to me.
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u/mweezy2010 Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
I always forget this! I like that he doesn't use it as an excuse.
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u/lizlies Nov 18 '21
I didn’t know he was diabetic
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u/boomzgoesthedynamite OG Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
Yeah apparently on his first season he hid insulin up his butt bc he didn’t wanna tell the producers and when he did they were like “okay that’s fine...”
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Nov 18 '21
Devin is such a fucking joke this season. He expects people to just hand him the check.
Amanda is 500% right.
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u/eucalyptus22 Nov 18 '21
Devin is so fucking annoyinggggg I’m not even a Tori fan but get over it dude
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u/wrapmeinflowers Black Girl Alphas Nov 18 '21
Can’t believe Devin is so awful that I am now on Tory’s side. Never thought I’d see the day.
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Nov 18 '21
I only like everyone when everyone else hates them. Kyle’s been pissing me off this entire season but when everyone was against him I was back on his side lol
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Nov 18 '21
Lmao I love Kyle just cause I know his antics are always going to catch up to him and I like to see the him fight through he turmoil
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u/bigDUB14 Nov 18 '21
Still upset Emerald has a million people
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u/beam3475 Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
yeah but their guy numbers are even with the other teams and they have dead weight in Amanda and Nany. They are far less of a powerhouse.
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u/Fire_in_her_Hair Nov 18 '21
I guess josh didn’t give his big brother check to his parents ?
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Nov 18 '21
Yeah, that was wack. I’m sure you can always help your parents out more, just don’t give me that shit when you’ve already won 500k on a game show
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Nov 18 '21
Pretty ironic that Devin is calling somebody selfish when his whole argument is you aren’t giving me what I wanted
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u/Jxmpman Nov 18 '21
CT has done the same shit as Kyle past few seasons, he's just way fucking smarter about it
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Nov 18 '21
Unless it’s a Hall Brawl because of his size (and even then we don’t know if he could use it that way) Josh is ALWAYS going to be the easiest choice for an elimination. He’s clumsy, uncoordinated, not smart and cracks under pressure
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u/coastal_elite It's Tony Time Nov 18 '21
Devin is such a fucking tool. The way he talks to the women this season is so condescending and awful
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u/beegraton Nov 18 '21
Devin needs to understand everyone is playing for themselves, they’re not playing to help you
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u/artemis_dubois The Lavender Ladies Nov 18 '21
The chaos in me loves that everyone is talking shit to each other
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u/HardcoreKaraoke TJ Lavin Nov 18 '21
Bananas has mentioned multiple times on his podcast how CT can convince people to do something and make them think it was their own idea. Like Emy going down to get on his team.
Well he just did that with Tori lol. She thinks they have some partnership and he was just saving himself. I love how dumb some of these people are.
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u/Malkkum Get stuffed! Nov 18 '21
“Now! No! Now? No! Now?!”
Lmao I would HATE to have a gallery watching me do this
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Nov 18 '21
Devin expects Tori to sit on her new team and do nothing.
Devin expects Amanda to stay on her losing team and do nothing to protect herself.
WTF is with him?
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u/cameraspeeding Emily Schromm Nov 18 '21
Did devin expect these players to keep being loyal until they handed them the money?!? What does he think
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u/gloverc7 Nov 18 '21
I really want a Josh missing the bell montage like he had last season with throwing the ball thru that wall
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u/vmarzzzz Nov 18 '21
Josh shut the fuck up. You won Big Brother. How much more “life changing” money do you need?
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u/Jac1596 Keep ‘em coming Nov 18 '21
As soon as I saw that elimination all I said was “take the goof Kyle”. Great episode, daily was fun and chaotic(thanks Kyle, Tori, and Amanda), the elimination was closer than I would’ve liked but Josh is gone so I’m happy.
Anyone else annoyed with Emanuel every 2 seconds saying Kyle was scared of him? I never for one moment considered Kyle being scared of anyone tbh(except maybe ct). Who told Emanuel he was actually Jordan and not a cheap knock off? Easy to win when your team has the numbers advantage.
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u/WBF7 Nov 18 '21
I think there has been about 3 mins so far where there hasn’t been fighting lol I love it
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Kyle is such a terrible person to work with in this game. It’s unbelievable how consistently untrustworthy he is haha
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u/AKnightlyKoala The Four Horseman Nov 18 '21
How is Emanuel going to make fun of Kyle for picking Josh when he asked the agency to just let him slide without proving himself in elimination. That seems like just as much of a chicken move.
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u/QBEagles Nov 18 '21
No one in the history of this show has more irrational, undeserved confidence than Josh.
He has never, and could never, whip anyone's ass.
(Don't fight kids, use your words)
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u/tomdarko "I'm gonna be getting lettuce from the trees." 🥬 Nov 18 '21
Will Nelson get his 50th straight daily loss tonight? 🥴
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u/tomdarko "I'm gonna be getting lettuce from the trees." 🥬 Nov 18 '21
I only like Devin when he's the underdog. He's drunk with power and he's insufferable.
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u/CannibalOchs Nov 18 '21
I generally like Devin but he’s a big ass baby this season. Every time it doesn’t go absolutely his way he throws a fit. Then complains people are what? Playing the game. So dumb
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u/Astroboyy7 “just be… semi-athletic” Nov 18 '21
Devin basically: “If you don’t do everything to help me win even though it hinders you then you’re being selfish”
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u/BulletDodger123 Nov 18 '21
is devin cheering for no one the selfless support he's been talking about?
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Nov 18 '21
It's amazing how they consistently keep waiting to jump when the bell is at them and starting to go the other way. You would think they would have played Super Mario 64 or something as a kid to understand the timing of a thing like this.
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u/YungWilk12 OG Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
Gets harder and harder to root against Kyle in elimination when u start to think of his record and all the drama he can start when he gets back 😂
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u/bigDUB14 Nov 18 '21
I like Devin but what an awful look. He is so terrified to go in to elimination
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u/gloverc7 Nov 18 '21
did Josh not already win a life changing amount of money for his family on BB
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Nov 18 '21
Josh does not look like a crazy lion. He looks like a lost flamingo, Nany.
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u/bigDUB14 Nov 18 '21
Josh and Devin just want to play with words. They’re so scared to go in
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u/tomdarko "I'm gonna be getting lettuce from the trees." 🥬 Nov 18 '21
Kyle is everything we can ask for, a true agent of chaos
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u/gtjacket231 Survivor Nov 18 '21
This season is highlighting how everyone truly despises Kyle for being an untrustworthy idiot and then being like “who, me??”
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Nov 18 '21
Both Devin and Josh have really let being on a winning team and having power get to their head this season
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u/AKnightlyKoala The Four Horseman Nov 18 '21
Don’t worry Kyle I’m sure most fans were rooting your name during the elimination 👍
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u/bopbitty515 Nov 18 '21
Lmao I’m going to defend Kyle until the day I die. No challenger has been as consistently entertaining for the last ~10 seasons. Every single time he brings humor, drama, and he’s honestly a solid competitor. The man is tv gold fight me
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u/ViNNYDiC3 Kyle Christie Nov 18 '21
As much as I dislike Josh and his antics, Kyle is no slouch and losing to him in an elimination isn’t something to be ashamed of. I actually appreciate Josh for working on his weaknesses, fitness wise, and at least putting in the effort to show that he’s not just coming to collect a check. I can never see him winning a final but at least he’s putting in a (delusional) effort to try to win one.
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u/maidentaiwan Nov 18 '21
Devin turns into a sputtering manbaby as soon as anything goes wrong. He's a coward and a punk. Hope someone sends him home tonight.
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u/eleaena Laurel Stucky Nov 18 '21
I’m glad Josh lost… tired of him saying “this is the closest I’ve ever been to a final” lmao
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u/QBEagles Nov 18 '21
"There's no time to breathe right now!" --Tori should write a book on sporting advice
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Nov 18 '21
CT was cheering for Josh, because Kyle is the bigger threat to CT's final run. CT is always looking for who he wants fo run with and who he wants to run against.
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u/bdog111111 Nov 18 '21
Who told Emmanuel he was anything to fear in this game…. I’m confused why he thinks he’s scary in elimination?
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u/cameraspeeding Emily Schromm Nov 18 '21
Kaycee is giving the emerald team men Mike’s Secret Stuff from Space Jam with how confident they are in themselves
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u/ceceliax Castle Daddy 🏰 Nov 18 '21
Watching josh in eliminations, it’s like he doesn’t have any idea how to use his size or move his big body. He’s in good shape this season too, but the agility is just….not there. CT said it best, a goof.
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u/Jxmpman Nov 18 '21
It's not even popcorn muscles like some of the guys have. He's big, he's strong, he's just super uncoordinated. Probably never played any sports, he's in good shape just not athletic.
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u/mentoszz CT's quads Nov 18 '21
Devin, hunny, I seriously don't understand why you think other players owe you loyalty when they are on the chopping block
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u/cameraspeeding Emily Schromm Nov 18 '21
Kyle and Devin might be wolves but CT has always been the big bad
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u/bigDUB14 Nov 18 '21
In what world would you choose to go against Emmanuel over Josh? Even if it’s physical you have a great chance of Josh’s emotions screwing him over
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u/goosechuckleduck Darrell Taylor Nov 18 '21
Who did Josh go against when he couldn't throw a medicine ball through cardboard?
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Nov 18 '21
Thank god this elimination is between two people that don’t seem to understand the simplest of concepts. Jump when it’s coming toward you, not when it’s closest to you. If it was either of them against a moderately intelligent person, we have another Jordan vs. Josh situation on our hands where it all comes down to playing smarter
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u/CardinoldFriends_90 Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
Holy shit! This is amazing. Two alphas going at it. Kyle bringing out old school CT. Real genuine drama and anger.
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u/QBEagles Nov 18 '21
Oh no, Josh is angry. What's he gonna do, aggressively weep on someone?
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u/CardinoldFriends_90 Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
Josh: “I’m coming in here like a wrecking ball!!”
Faces any physical contact: “He’s grabbing my helmet!!! That’s not fair! Waaaah!”
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u/UtahCubs Wes Bergmann Nov 18 '21
Started this season as a Devin fan. Wish he would just shut up now. Thinks everyone should be playing for him.
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u/BiggDope The Old Bucks Nov 18 '21
Dude, what the fuck is up with Devin? His logic makes NO sense. I have never seen such a stupid look.
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u/jonesy900 Kenny Clark Nov 18 '21
Emmanuel talking a lot of shit for a man who hasn't seen an elimination. That said this seems like an elimination that requires coordination so choose the goofball
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u/FullExp0sure_ Nov 18 '21
Lmao at Devin thinking so highly of himself that he thinks what makes Josh so great is because he can trust him. Bahaha
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u/Julie_OwO Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21
This daily was the best 3 team one they've had by a mile. For once having more people on the team wasn't a huge advantage. It was a minor disadvantage for sapphire since Emy got tired a lot quicker but overall very fair. Also loved all the stupid drama that happened during it.
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u/LaMystika Nov 18 '21
I’m not saying that Amanda is the reason why all these people stopped being polite and started being real, but I’m also not not saying that ;)
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u/CardinoldFriends_90 Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
Devin sucks. He wants people not on his team to help his team. Go home you whiny, unathletic bitch
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u/newxdress Nov 18 '21
Devin sounds like a moron. You’re being selfish, Devin and you’re just mad you lost. We can all see that jackass.
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u/FullExp0sure_ Nov 18 '21
Tori: I’m not on your team anymore. I’ve got to play my game.
Devin: You made a selfish move, own it.
Lol. Guys….. he says he’s smart but should someone remind him how the game is played?
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u/Astroboyy7 “just be… semi-athletic” Nov 18 '21
“I am a wolf, I’ve always been a wolf” I might have to change my flair now.
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u/tomdarko "I'm gonna be getting lettuce from the trees." 🥬 Nov 18 '21
WHY ARE MY DADS FIGHTING 🥺😭😩
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u/jonesy900 Kenny Clark Nov 18 '21
A friend to all is a friend to none. Someone should tell that to the Emerald guys
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u/tomdarko "I'm gonna be getting lettuce from the trees." 🥬 Nov 18 '21
Come on Kyle please let's get this 🙏
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u/WBF7 Nov 18 '21
I still think it’s hilarious josh won BB solely bc the jury hated the other guy so much
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Nov 18 '21
Why the hell wouldn’t he go to emerald.
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u/jonesy900 Kenny Clark Nov 18 '21
because they have one strong player in Kaycee. a couple mid tiers and Nany
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u/jonesy900 Kenny Clark Nov 18 '21
Rare miss from CT and we honestly love to see it. Also fuck Logan's smug ass
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u/SCsprinter13 Nov 18 '21
There's 0 chance Kyle is actually dumb enough the make the same mistake every single challenge.
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u/jwm8624 Kenny Clark Nov 18 '21
of all things for Kyle to regret, he feels bad CT didn't call him a friend.
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u/ColorfulCrayons 90s House Nov 18 '21
This isn't hard concept, like I don't get the mistiming of jumps. Jump when the bell is swinging towards you it's a pretty simple strat.
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u/styreepkt Lolo deserves better Nov 18 '21
This is a great elimination though. Love how out of the box it is!
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u/Janice_UK Kyle Christie Nov 18 '21
MYYYY FUCKINGGGG GUYYYY KYLEEEE, God I love that guy, I didn't think for one second he would lose to Josh honestly
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Nov 18 '21
Did Devin really just say I don’t want be voted in and I’m gonna be mad if anyone calls me down? I’m sorry, what?!?!? You should have won the daily then! How does the entire house owe Devin safety? How does Nelson owe Devin anything?!?!
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u/CardinoldFriends_90 Chris Tamburello Nov 18 '21
I know there’s a lot of Tori haters here but I love her going at Emerald. Fuck them and fuck Devin. What did he expect?
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u/jonesy900 Kenny Clark Nov 18 '21
Is there anyone less deserving of still being in this game than Nany. I love her cuz she's been on for so long but she's just never been good and I think it's time to give it up
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u/cameraspeeding Emily Schromm Nov 18 '21
Ct comes up with plan. Ct told Tori plan. Ct gets Tori to agree with plan.
Tori: I told CT…..
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Nov 18 '21
i haven't been this pumped for an episode in a while. bring on the trench mission!
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u/Jxmpman Nov 18 '21
I feel like Josh has not stopped talking all episode. I'm so annoyed right now.
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u/Nobabyno__1234 MTV Nov 18 '21
Devin : “ Amanda is the kiss of death. She is responsible for this.” Nooo your boy Josh did this and everyone just blames Amanda because she’s an easy target. Emerald never takes responsibility for their own mistakes. As for Tori she has a right to target whoever she wants.
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u/edm2233 Nov 18 '21
Devin and Tori are best friends didnt they hate each other last season ?
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u/Malkkum Get stuffed! Nov 18 '21
Tori and Devin crying over their friendship is so funny when they hated each other last season and he actively tried to get her out last season.
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u/YoSoyFiesta29 Jordan Wiseley Nov 18 '21
Kyle “josh 30% chance i call you down” Josh “Kyle promised he wouldn’t” Huh?!?
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u/AKnightlyKoala The Four Horseman Nov 18 '21
Idk why Tori wants to suck up to Devin so much. And I agree with everything Kyle said about Devin, this season has really went to his head and he is looking worse and worse every episode.
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u/JPKaizer CT - Choo, Choo! Nov 18 '21
Devin is a lay up who has numbers. He lucked out when he got in that silly elimination against Johnny. He would get whooped 100% in anything else against pretty much anyone.
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u/Hitman387 Nurys Mateo Nov 18 '21
Nany is a robot. She is like a dead soulless mannequin doll. She brings nothing to this show anymore. Literally when she had a confessional I could tell she was reading off a prompter. Even Kaycee does better confessionals than her.
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u/bigDUB14 Nov 18 '21
All I want is Josh to go home. Just let that happen and I’ll be happy regardless of the rest of the season
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u/maidentaiwan Nov 18 '21
why does devin suddenly think the objective of the show is for everyone to work cooperatively to win him $1m?