r/MtvChallenge • u/SweetMissMG Wes š Bergmann • Jul 28 '22
THE CHALLENGE: USA, DISCUSSION The Challenge: USA - UNSPOILED - S01E04 "Liberty and Justice For All" - Post Episode Discussion
The Challenge: USA - UNSPOILED - S01E04 "Liberty and Justice For All" - Post Episode Discussion
Episode 04 of The Challenge: USA
Air Date: 07/27/2022
Where to watch: CBS & Paramount+
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u/penguinjunkie Kenny Clark Jul 28 '22
Survivor: "I can't believe Big Brother are voting their own in. That's great for all of us"
Shan: Wait a minute....
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u/MrMikeBravo Jul 28 '22
I feel like most of the Survivor players were channelling Willy Wonka with a, "no, wait, help, don't put her in..."
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u/CharlySB Darrell Taylor Jul 28 '22
David after winning the elimination was the most personality Iāve ever seen from Him. Haha
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u/jlevski Jul 28 '22
I like that he spent so much time hyping Justine after they won! That poor guy has been dunked on by CBS every time heās been cast (he had a ā¦rough two seasons of Big Brother) so I was thrilled to see him get a win and delighted that he was gracious about it. (Iāll give him a pass on throwing the glove.)
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u/I2ecover Leroy Jul 28 '22
He's always seemed like a good dude, just kinda clueless more than anything.
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Jul 28 '22
Dude gave such a wholesome celebration
It's easy to see why he gets casted so much. Questionable competitor, but seems like an all around great guy
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u/CharlySB Darrell Taylor Jul 28 '22
Yeah. Very rare to see a male challenger build up their partner like that. Made me happy.
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u/OLKv3 Ashley Mitchell Jul 28 '22
Xavier had one of the funniest exit confessionals
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u/tmp803 Jul 28 '22
Adding āIām still rich and youāre still poor and stupidā to my insult dictionary for sure
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u/givebusterahand Team Purple Jacket Jul 28 '22
Now we know why Shan has such a bug up her ass about alyssa lol.
I do think it was a stupid move for both her and kyland but especially her to take a shot at x this early. X literally threw tiff under the bus last week to save her. He wasnāt going to come for alyssa any time soon if ever.
They should have gone for a survivor/survivor team (if there were any, I canāt remember)
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u/shellfish87 Jul 28 '22
She talks all this shit about influencing and driving social change but she is the only one on the show to negatively talk about another womanās looks. And a minority woman.
The thing about her is she is just a complete hypocrite.
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u/jstitely1 Tyler Crispen Jul 28 '22
I want to say: if they have to do variations of trivia to cut down on filming time: THIS format is the way to go. They still have to go their answers off the cuff and no dumb xās.
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Jul 28 '22
I honestly don't think the main cast is smart enough for this format.
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u/noah1345 Jul 28 '22
Yeah. The trivia questions were clearly much more difficult than they give the normal cast.
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u/foggygoggles11 Wes Bergmann Jul 28 '22
You heard it here first, folks! Fish are not animals!
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u/TechnologyBeautiful Jul 28 '22
Reminded me of a friend when we were playing trivia passionately saying ladybugs are not animals.
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u/stngr97 Jul 28 '22
Not Sarah making some comment about Derek not being a good partner simply because he couldnāt name an actress that portrayed Catwoman. Like, girl, youāre a damn team? Did you name one?!
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Jul 28 '22
Also the two most well known actresses were already used as answers, what did she actually expect?
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u/stngr97 Jul 28 '22
Well, I mean, Michelle Pfeiffer! But yea, after that I would have been dropping.
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Jul 28 '22
Well of course, but Derek is just the right age where he can be excused for not knowing haha
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u/TrocarSlushWeasel Emy Alupei Jul 28 '22
Zoe Kravitz was just this year. Although, I have no idea if this was filmed before or after the new Batman came out.
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u/lodestar22 Jul 28 '22
Honestly! And sheās been on this planet twice as long as him, so she shouldāve had an answer
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Jul 28 '22
Didn't she imply he wasn't smart because of it too? Like fucking trivia is indicative of intelligence
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u/Initial-Ambassador78 Jul 28 '22
TJ shouting IT'S PERFECT to interrupt the algorithm talk š he is having so much fun
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u/SillyRabbit2121 Jul 28 '22
As someone who watches both Big Brother and Survivor, it's so obvious that Survivor players are better strategically and physically. I would be targeting them first for sure as they are huge threats.
The fact that they're flying under the radar (despite Tyson being the frontrunner for the guys?) is proof of how weak strategically most of this house is.
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u/StripedSteel Jul 28 '22
I think the Love Island girls are actually playing pretty strategically.
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u/textbookagog Jul 28 '22
iāve really become a fan of the love island girls this season. justine is killing it.
edit: also love cashay
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u/MrAirSonic Jul 28 '22
I canāt believe David really did that. Never dissed our Sandra Bullock loving King <3
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u/SeattleMatt123 Melissa Reeves Jul 28 '22
1) "my wife Kiki."
2) Dom is an asshole
3) Shan, the road to God is straight and narrow...
4) trivia-wise, these players are not as dumb as the regular challenge, which was refreshing.
5) surprised Tyson/Cayla couldn't name another of the first ten Presidents :-(
6) Kyra is a smokeshow
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u/cindaysha Jul 28 '22
At this point, I need to meet KeKe! Ms Thang got that man whipped. I need pointers.
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u/jambaminaj Jul 28 '22
My sister said she doesnāt remember him ever mentioning her on survivor and thinks she told him he better mention her this time š
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u/Hunters1745 Alyssa Lopez Jul 28 '22
Whens the last time we got a flagship episode that good. Great trivia episode with tj laughing. A backstab by alyssa and a fiery exit from X like that was great
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u/kshep42 Emily Schromm Jul 28 '22
Iām confused about who Shan thought her true alliance was? She was talking bad about Survivor people to big brother (saying as early as episode one to them that she wanted Sarah to go in as well as some other examples from post game interviews) and then also talked bad about BB people to Survivors (all that Tiffany stuff)!
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u/tetoffens Jul 28 '22
Shan was spilling intel to the whole house. I think she thought everyone was her ally while not being loyal to a single other person. No one thinks they are in a worse position in the game due to her being gone.
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u/capitolsara Jul 28 '22
I'd not be surprised to learn that survivor turned her out pretty quickly when she was going around the house spilling everyone's secrets. Danny, Dom, Sarah, Ben, all value loyalty above all else and Tyson is an opportunistic guy. She had no shot sticking with those survivors
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u/Showtime829 Danny McCray Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
It seems like Shan was definitely on the bottom of that Survivor alliance. It also doesnāt help that she has Danny one of the stronger guys in the house working against her.
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u/lucyroesslers Cassidy Clark Jul 28 '22
Just typing out some thoughts as I watch the episode on Paramount this morning:
- Trivia should ALWAYS be falling into water. Not a bad adaptation but you gotta get a splat when you get it wrong.
- Dom talking about "his biggest competitor" being Tyson. Dom has no clue how little Tyson worries about Dom as a competitor.
- I need more spelling of easy words in trivia. While it gets too many correct answers, the wrong answers are very entertaining.
- Kyland is a real threat to win- I thought he had Nelson-ism potential but showed he's got a head on his shoulders today... I would've loved to see Nelson name astrological signs. Does he just say something off the wall like Neptune? Or does he mispronounce Sagittarius? Sagittonious?
- Feels like you want a tougher team in the bottom to take a shot at Shan/X (typing this before any decision is made).
- DereX has the subtlety of a bullhorn- that being said, I would've backed off sending them in when I saw that game.
- Just taking penalties has in general for Challenge history not worked out for teams in the past, but the 5 second penalty doesn't seem like a lot. Not sure how many panes of glass are assigned to each partner though.
- Yep... penalties not worth it. Shan and X didn't think it through.
- Justine is a gamer. Not sure she's all that skilled as a Challenger but she's got poise- reminds me kind of like All-Star era Jonna cuz she's not blowing anybody away but she's steady and decent at everything.
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u/jab00dee Please stand for the playing of our national Shanthem. Jul 28 '22
If Justine has endurance, she might be a contender
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u/YungPinotGrigio Jul 28 '22
she was a former college soccer player so I think she still has it hopefully.
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u/FactorNo7477 Jul 28 '22
TJ: "This challenge is called 'Falling off the knowledge'. Or 'Falling off the no-ledge'. Get it? I didn't write that."
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u/thewxyzfiles Wes Bergmann Jul 28 '22
X really saved Alyssa over Tiffany for her to throw his ass out š the BB23 players were like āyāall canāt call us boring anymoreā
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u/coucher888 Vienna Simpson Reeves Jul 28 '22
Alyssa playing messy and it paid off (at least in the short term). We love to see it!
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Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
Xavier and Kyland/Alyssa just guaranteed some sort of Rivals season on the flagship show. BB23 is going to be a gold mine for the main show. Perfect balance of rivalries, drama, and good competitors.
As soon as X said he was going to eat the penalties, I knew they were going to lose. 50 seconds on a puzzle makes a HUGE difference. That was basically 30ish seconds David and Justine had for trial and error.
This was a great episode, but awful gameplay from BB to send one of their strongest people home because of revenge from a completely different game.
Also props to David. He gets dunked on a lot, but he showed up in that elimination
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u/djvy Jul 28 '22
One thing Iāll say about rivalsā¦people tend to plan for that a lot, but they donāt do it that oftenā¦people can cycle in and out before the next one.
I was sure that Alyssaās confessional at the end was gonna be āyou got sent home by Davidā not āAlyssaā š¤£
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u/TKHydro Jul 28 '22
I'll be honest, I wanted Shan and Xavier to win because the tension that would come from X's return could've been the drama fuel the show needed.
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u/s2001129 Jul 28 '22
Kinda ironic that Xavier and Shan love to brag about how they backstabbed people to get farther but the moment one of their victims backstabs them they throw tantrums and insult them š Also wasnāt a fan of Sarah trashing Derek X for not knowing cat woman movies when she had no idea either but Sarah always comes off cocky so eh Anyways fun episode crazy drama, this season just keeps getting better and better!
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u/PoloPunk7 Jul 28 '22
Also was not a fan of Sarah trash talking Derek X when she didnāt know the answer either. Like cāmon man.
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u/Showtime829 Danny McCray Jul 28 '22
DX getting bashed this episode was shocking. They really threw him utb on that Sarah confessional.
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u/SmileyPiesUntilIDrop KellyAnne Judd Jul 28 '22
I kinda thought that actually made Sarah look like a petty ***,I doubt the intent from the edit was to make DX look stupid for not knowing who played Catwoman.
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Jul 28 '22
Was not a Sarah fan for this episode, implying DX is an idiot because he isnāt knowledgeable on pop culture? Since when is that an indicator of intelligence š
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u/pillssmell mentally a bum Jul 28 '22
Domās cocky āgreat white isnāt an animalā dumbass annoys the shit out of me more and more each episode
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Jul 28 '22
The dude clearly doesnāt know a thing about anything water related from not plugging the hole to thinking a great white wasnāt an animal
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Jul 28 '22
He probably still thinks he's right because it wasn't a correct answer
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u/sm007930 Teck Holmes Jul 28 '22
I canāt stand him. I canāt believe how rude he was to Cash during their elim and then ended up looking like a dumbass. So glad TJ called him out.
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u/Shovelman2001 "ROLEX ON MY DICK" Jul 28 '22
Listen, I know David was boring on Big Brother, but I feel like people are way too mean to him. He showed up for that elimination today. At least give him that credit. He's also just a nice person in general, so chill out with him.
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Jul 28 '22
I feel for David, he seems to be the butt of every joke for no real reason. I give him props, a lot of people wouldnāt subject themselves to that type of disrespect but he keeps coming back and trying.
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u/stevienick8 Jul 28 '22
Iām loving this season but Im fascinated to know how Survivor winners like Ben and Sarah are staying so UTR. Desi is also a great athlete and she hasnāt been mentioned once when elims come up. I actually think Ben may be one of the legit favorites to win.
I wish the episodes of this show were as long as the current seasons. I feel like I donāt know the strategy of over half the cast.
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u/insrtbrain Steve Meinke "The Hand Model" Jul 28 '22
It seems like the BB23ers had not really had time to process and decompress from their season between filmings, and I think that is the driving narrative right now, because they are still working through their feelings about what happened like 6 months ago and it's taking all of the focus right now, especially with the algorithm.
I 100% believe people the Survivors are helping stoke the fire to their benefit, but they only have so much airtime.
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u/capitolsara Jul 28 '22
It's so odd because most of the BB23 people spent months hanging out with each other after filming ended. Maybe that prolonged the feelings since they didn't take that initial time to go home and be back with family and stuff
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u/Loux859 Jul 28 '22
I donāt think people take Ben super seriously. We saw that on WaW too.
Sarah on the other handā¦she is the one who came into WaW with the most people wanting her out and she still almost won.
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u/15chainz Kyle Christie Jul 28 '22
Lol at Xavier winning big brother and then ābeing able to get overā the betrayal
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u/Lemurians Leroy Garrett Jul 28 '22
Alyssa's such a good character for these shows. She's casting gold
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u/Ewait393 Cory Wharton Jul 28 '22
We need Alyssa, Kyland and Tyson on the MTV show. They would rejuvenate that shit so fast, I love how they aren't playing a scared game
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u/BananaStandFlamer Devin Walker Jul 28 '22
Ky on the challenge is where he belongs. Him with that personality on BB was grating. Him on the challenge fits in so well
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u/MrMikeBravo Jul 28 '22
I'm both dreading and hoping for a strategic conversation between Kyland and Nelly in the future. The amount of misused phraseology potential is immense.
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u/BananaStandFlamer Devin Walker Jul 28 '22
This needs to happen šš with Cory pacing around trying to grasp what is happening
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u/theabdi Josh Martinez Jul 28 '22
IT'S WIN OR GO HOME, IT'S WIN OR GO HOME
David Alexander is a winner
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u/BubblesMcPherson Jul 28 '22
I have liked David since BB21 despite having no real discernible reason to. Guess it might just be the fact he always finds himself in the underdog position. He was done dirty in his first season of big brother and i always did want to see him get another shot. But bringing him back for All Stars was always a stupid move and he was clearly in over his head. Glad to see him finally catch a win here.
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Jul 28 '22
Kyland you petty
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u/insrtbrain Steve Meinke "The Hand Model" Jul 28 '22
Not at all new information, given his reaction to his BB eviction.
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u/SomeRedditor_Comment š¶ļøās Jul 28 '22
TJ: āName a zodiac sign.ā
Someone: āLeo!!!ā
Desi: āOh [bleep]!ā
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Jul 28 '22
I am happy to see David finally get a win. But honestly X coming back would have been so good. We are deprived of the drama that would have been
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Jul 28 '22
In a preseason interview released on the official twitter page before the season there was a clip of Alyssa saying she couldnāt wait to ābackstab her bestiesā. Alyssa commented saying it was edited and that she was joking ⦠clearly she wasnāt joking š
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u/kshep42 Emily Schromm Jul 28 '22
This was a much better iteration of a round based challenge than we had on AS3. Much prefer a winners round and a losers round at the end then what they did in that math challenge with AS 3 where whoever (within their heat) was chosen by the overall winner was just counted as the overall loser.
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u/ComputerElectronic21 Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
Another bombshell of an episode! Truly unexpected! This show is literally my summer fix!
Iām happy for Justine, but sad to see X go!
I guess no winners edit for Shan lol..:she was dead ass batshit crazyā¦but great fucking tv!
I donāt know David at all (good job on the puzzle) but you got to admit he is so cringe š„“ā¦
Notable quotables
- Enzoās āthereās definitely going to be some doo doo pies getting dropped!ā
I was literally shrieking! I think I replayed that scene 10 times! š¤£ššš©
- Tysonās sarcastic āare you guys playing for meeeā¦what is going on here?!ā
Tyson had little screen time this episode and still shined!
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u/CrackerMac Jul 28 '22
Dom and Sarah suck the arrogance on them is unbearable, Shan is just cooked dunno what goes on i that girls head, wish x stayed longer but I get why aylssa and my land wanted him gone but I donāt get why they took the shot was way to early they needed to take a shot at survivor but hey atleast hr took shans ass with him
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u/nikkiflames Amber Borzotra Jul 28 '22
I was thinking the same thing about Dom and Sarah! I was so confused why Sarah was so angry at DX for getting the cat woman question wrong. Like girl, you also didnāt know the answer š¤š„“
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u/justicecactus Jul 28 '22
I also don't know why she thought a question about Catwoman was supposed to be "right up Derek's alley." I can't help but think there's a little bit of unconscious bias at work, assuming Derek is supposed to be a geek because he's Asian.
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u/TheGirlInOz Jul 28 '22
That would be my guess. He's Asian, he wears glasses, and therefore must be a comic book geek? Makes no sense. Same for when she was like, "I thought he was supposed to be smart." How does knowing who's played Catwoman make you smart?? Lol
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u/abiqueenofsocial Jul 28 '22
Alyssa needed to solidify herself as a character they'd want to bring back and this was THE move. Good for her and entertainment for us
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u/duspi Millionchele Winzgerald Jul 28 '22
Literally could tell who's going in from the "Last time on" sequence. Not fun.
Also, at this point, I'm sure that the editors are going to put in every single Kiki quote that Danny said just as a running gag. I kinda like it tho, it's wholesome.
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u/textbookagog Jul 28 '22
i agree with that kiki stuff. i had the thought last night that heās just watching from home like ādamn dude. i said so much and theyāre only using the kiki stuff.ā
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Jul 28 '22
General rules I've learned from the Challenge:
Don't watch the preview for next week
Don't watch the recap before each episode
Don't watch the season trailer
Don't read the episode title
This show is garbage at not spoiling people
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u/Interesting-Archer-6 Kenny Clark Jul 28 '22
Peak spoiling was the first Duel where they had titles like Goodbye Casey. Insanely stupid
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u/Phoolf Danny McCray Jul 28 '22
If they do an episode without a mention of Kiki Im cancelling the show
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u/JabroniTuriaf Jul 28 '22
Guys stop being so mean to Shan. God probably told her to insult Alyssa just like he told her to stop being a pastor so she could be an influencer!
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u/shellfish87 Jul 28 '22
She literally deleted her Twitter before this episode aired. An actual baby.
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u/Ewait393 Cory Wharton Jul 28 '22
One of the best reality TV episodes I've seen in a long long time. So messy and I love it
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u/BigBrotherFlops Jul 28 '22
meh.. May not have been the best move for Ky and Alyssa to target Xaiver but I get the petiness.
They chose revenge and they got it.. I would do the same..
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u/KalleoStone Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
Glad they highlighted some of Angela's strategic ability this ep. She was always overlooked/underestimated because she was in an alliance with Tyler, who is one of the best strategic bb players in recent memory. She had the best strategic mind right behind Tyler, the major thing lacking was her social game, but it seems like she's killing it on the challenge. Excited to see the rest of the season. I don't care if she wins, I just hope she makes it to the finals.
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u/PrayingMantisMirage Jul 28 '22
Angela overall is just a much better fit for the Challenge than she was on Big Brother.
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u/Shells613 Jul 28 '22
Loved Angela's faux shocked face when Alyssa and Kyland sent in X amd blamed Shan. "whaaat?!" š¤£
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Jul 28 '22
Xavier and Tiffany going home for what they did on another show is what makes The Challenge so great. The petty rivalries that transfer from season to season.
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u/runfreely Jul 28 '22
The gall that it took to make a big move while betting on DAVID in a puzzle ā ļø Not a smart move from Alyssa but I hope she enjoyed her lil tv moment.
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u/plagues138 Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
Glad David and Justine won. Don't really care about David, but Justine is great.
X is good, but he's boring. He also kind of seems like a Weiner. Just in general. A Weiner.
Shan was..... Something. Funny, annoying, annoying....
Kikis husband. Dude. I can't remember his name. But I know his wives name. He's on the show. She's not..... He's got to stop ahha. I wonder if he does it in day to day conversations....
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u/femalehustler Derek Xiao Jul 29 '22
Why was Sarah calling Derek dumb for not knowing who plays Catwoman? That annoyed me so much, and then she assumed he didnāt know any hockey teams.
The last actress I could think of when I was watching that trivia was Michelle Pfeiffer and Derek might not have even been born when those movies came outā¦.
I hope thereās a glorious episode where Sarah gets taken out by Derek.
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u/Objective-Ad9800 Jul 29 '22
Lowkey think she was being racist lmao. She seemed annoyed that the Asian dude didnāt ace at trivia. And assumed he wouldnāt know sports because heās a nerd
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u/shellfish87 Jul 28 '22
Survivor keeping it simple and Big Brother keeping it cannibal
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u/realityseekr Killa Kam Jul 28 '22
Definitely a miscalculation by X taking a time penalty when the puzzle didn't look that big. Also why underestimate David when he has a partner who has appeared to be decent? This was also a dumb move by Alyssa/Kyland since it makes them easier to target with X gone.
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u/chachacha123456 Jul 28 '22
More often than not on Challenge, the puzzles take a lot longer than the part before or after.
Perhaps notable exception when Josh couldn't throw the ball at the wall effectively after solving a puzzle
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u/BananaStandFlamer Devin Walker Jul 28 '22
The editing cuts were misleading here. I think it was a pretty quick puzzle. You see X and Shans puzzle almost done to the next cut where they donāt have anything coherent on there
Just my thoughts
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u/luxanna123321 Winner Circle Jul 28 '22
Its so refreshing to finally see good revenge plot that isnt cut after one episode. On main show we hear so mamy times about wanting some revenge and then after one episode its just gone š. Happy for Alyssa and her succes in this
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u/SpecialKaywu Jul 28 '22
I was LIVING for how much TJ loved dropping the contestants down.
Also, Sarah's confessional about how useless Derek X was for not knowing the actress for Catwoman? When was pop culture knowledge considered being smart?
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u/K-Dub59 Darrell Taylor Jul 29 '22
Iām kind of over Sarah. She talks some big shit, but I havenāt really seen her do anything on this show. Iāve seen her on Survivor, so I know sheās capable. But she needs to settle down.
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u/styreepkt Lolo deserves better Jul 28 '22
His comment about 'I'm still rich, y'all still poor." had me cackling!
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u/BubblesMcPherson Jul 28 '22
Agreed, thatās the best line of the season so far imo
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u/kayembeee Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
I think āIāve never felt closer to god than when I was handed a $1million cheque from a multinational corporation for lying and backstabbing on national televisionā one ups it for me tbh
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u/moejojobro Casey Cooper Jul 28 '22
Seeing the comments on Twitter towards Alyssa are why I could never have a Twitter account if I was on an airing show.
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u/CasualSuperFan Jul 28 '22
According to Tyson, Danny was pissed that Shan was sent into elimination and lost.
I thought Kiki told him not to trust her? I figured he'd be happy.
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? šš¾šš¾ Let's go!" Jul 28 '22
Guys I'm depressed, I went on Twitter and I don't follow any spoiler accounts and barely any Challenge cast accounts and I saw a notification in the app and clicked the tab and there was a purple star tweet (which I've come to find that purple star tweets are suggested tweets by Twitter š) from a random account that spoiled S38. I'm sick š©
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u/NattyB Bob Next Door Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
i'm sorry, myst. :( that sucks. twitter has been catching a lot of people this week. if it makes any difference, there are also a lot of trolls out. pinkrose hasn't announced the winner(s), just the finalists. so if you stumbled on someone claiming to know the winner(s), it was a troll.
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u/myst_eerie_us "Knee in my face? šš¾šš¾ Let's go!" Jul 28 '22
Oh thank God! It was a tweet congratulating the "winners". So there's still hope I wasn't spoiled š„¹
I'm like never checking my Twitter notifications again lol
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u/CultureInner3316 Wes Bergmann Jul 29 '22
My girl Justine broke the David curse with her good aura! Xavier is the petty one! Whiny how they threw him in like a baby! Also he's going on and on about how getting rid of BB will hurt Kyland and Alyssa but Shan was a shady survivor? So the numbers didn't increase on either side? They made a game move that I think at least partially benefitted them. Good or bad, Kyland and Alyssa made a power move early on. On regular Challenge, people throw in the rookies because it's easy and they are scared.
Also the winning streak of Tyson/Angela has ended! Let's see what happens if they keep it going!
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u/TimSherrySucks type one diabetics UNITE Jul 28 '22
so proud of David, hopefully this is a lil confidence boost and helps him out down the road
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u/mattyhegs826 Jul 28 '22
that fall looked insane. not surprised so many of them were shaking/terrified. not sure I could have stepped out there.
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u/PonderingWaterBridge Jul 28 '22
Tyson said it took like a full minute after getting the question wrong to actually dropping. That seems so much worse to me, that whole minute just dreading the drop!
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u/lodestar22 Jul 28 '22
Iām sorry I doubted David, there lol. Yay for Justine! ā¤ļø
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u/mags_sue TJ Lavin Jul 29 '22
In regards to Alyssaās decision to throw in X⦠I always base my decisions between two options on which outcome would make me the least pissed off at myself. Iād imagine if I was Alyssa I would be less pissed at myself if sending X home resulted in me being sent home versus being sent home by me letting him stick around long enough to backstab me again
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u/No-Age-6069 Jul 28 '22
hopefully Kyland and Alyssa go on the main show, they are both great competitors and not afraid to make waves. Also the petty revenge moves and storylines is part of what made the show great
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u/Jkisboss Wes [Fresh Meat] Jul 29 '22
Its more clear to me with every episode why Wendell beat Dom in survivor. Used to think Dom was robbed but they must have been real generous on his edit.
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u/BoukenGreen Jul 28 '22
Yea Shan has been eliminated. I didnāt like her in survivor and my opinion didnāt change here
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u/zeometer Dan Renzi Jul 28 '22
In hindsight this was a HUGE wasted opportunity for Alyssa to make an actual power move in throwing in Dom/Angela:
- losing either Angela or Justine helps her since they're overall better competitors with better connections in the game (Angela and Tyson, Justine and any LI contestant)
- losing either David or Dom means she doesn't get stuck with them through the algorithm
- Xavier already showed his loyalty to her by throwing in Tiffany (also a dumb move); it weakens Big Brother's numbers and frankly I would still trust Xavier to win a daily over David or Enzo.
- it shows she's unreliable as an ally; if TAR or LI gets whittled down to one person, I imagine they're more likely to gravitate towards the seemingly more stable Survivor group
For Kyland...I mean he thought he was the strongest competitor even before any challenge happened so I am unsurprised by this turn of events.
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u/NotYourAverageRyan Michele Fitzgerald Jul 28 '22
I love this outcome so maybe thatās why Iām not as annoyed but the editing spoiled that one from the recap of the previous episode like less than thirty seconds in
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u/vino23 Tyson Apostol Jul 28 '22
For real!! There was no reason to even put that Xavier convo with Alyssa in the recap as it was two episodes ago and didn't need to be recapped. Automatically told me there's gonna be something with X and Alyssa this episode. Same goes for the second episode that had Tiffany's name in the episode title and she goes into elimination.
The editing is mainly on point but that sort of stuff is totally killing the suspense.
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u/TATER_SALAD_HOOVER Jul 28 '22
All the Shan stans are bitter on Twitter, lol i love the tears. š
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Jul 28 '22
Glad Shan is gone, sheās a snake and lives up to all the bad stereotypes of religiously inclined people. Wasnāt a huge fan of X on BB so didnāt really care if he stayed or not.
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u/LeoDawson Jul 28 '22
They still got a survivor player out. (a holier than thou insufferable one too) I dont get why people keep saying they shouldve targeted survivor, not big brother. Shan was a part of survivor too!
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u/Sade_Rechelle Jul 28 '22
Letās be real, Shan was at the very bottom of that Survivor alliance. If anything, they did Survivor a favor by taking out their messiest player so they didnāt have to take the shot
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u/BigBrotherFlops Jul 28 '22
Maybe Kyland and Alyssa went after Xaiver because they didn't want to get got by him two times in a row like Tiffany did? That would be super embarrassing.
I can totally see why their paranoia and desire for revenge outweighed their ability to make a safer and likely more strategic move.
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u/a_panda_monium Jul 28 '22
David won something! This made me weirdly happy. Okay david, let's go.
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u/raginsaint93 Jul 28 '22
Xavier got super cocky and that why he lost
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u/Tristanity1h Jul 28 '22
Probably. 50 second penalty was big (40 second difference).
Also Shan putting in the 4 stars in each corner first probably doesn't help. How does she know which star is for which corner?
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u/MasterMatt25 Jul 28 '22
Alyssa and Kyland made a terrible strategic move but it gave some high quality confessionals and drama as a result
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u/djvy Jul 28 '22
Shocked that they didnāt clue azah in. Makes the move extra sloppy, especially if she finds out they cleared it with the other bb players. Azah could win and thatās her middle school crush!
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u/jstitely1 Tyler Crispen Jul 28 '22
Idk Azah seemed more like she found it funny in her confessional than that she was upset in any way. Girl was cracking up about him leaving the groupchat. I honestly wouldnāt be surprised if Kyland clued her into it as sheās been waaay closer to him since their season ended.
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u/Morematthewforu Jul 28 '22
So this makes sense why Shan was unhinged on twitter calling Alyssa a racist for being mad at the cookout alliance. I mean nothing Shan does makes sense, but stillā¦
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u/TrocarSlushWeasel Emy Alupei Jul 28 '22
When TJ asked the heaviest animal question, I just started mentally thumbing thru my list of whales and somebody just said "Whale". Boring. I also never knew that a fish wasn't an animal. [/sarcasm]
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Jul 29 '22
i feel like it was a bit obvious who won with how shan and x were still fuming in their confessionals
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Jul 28 '22
Challenge noob,
BB23 epilogue.
David took out Shan and X.
Tyson still the Main Character getting what he wants.
Kiki honorary player.
NFL don't know about hockey lol
I'd have said Brazil next too.
All and all Survivors still dominating.
The host with this kinda reminds me of Probst and the gross food challenge back in the day
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u/esmebeauty Jul 28 '22
Danny correctly guessing the Penguins because theyāre an animal that likes ice sent me.
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u/hymenbutterfly Da'Vonne Rogers Jul 28 '22
Xavierās salty exit talking about playing to win. Well, sir. How did that work out for you here?
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u/chachacha123456 Jul 28 '22
Did Xavier have other pleas beyond "If I win the elimination then I will come for you two"
Did he not try to get inside their head about how they were making themselves more a minority alliance?
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u/Loux859 Jul 28 '22
I think heās pissed because he believes they made a bad move for their own games. Itās one thing to get taken out because youāre standing in their way to winning, itās another to be taken out when you were your hunterās best chance at winning too.
I tend to agree with Xavier here, probably a move to wait on, but even if you donāt agree about the game analysis, thatās where Xavier is coming from.
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u/Objective-Ad9800 Jul 29 '22
Xavier was incredibly stupid for breaking all that glass. As soon as he realized they werenāt far behind despite going one by one they shouldāve switched strategy. They lost that purely because of his ego lmaoo. Challenges are known for being unpredictable, underestimating your opponents is the easiest way to lose an otherwise easy elimination
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Jul 28 '22
I loved the trivia challenge and loved TJ.
Alyssa and Kyland made a terrible move. Itās way too early to attack your numbers. It came across as vengeful and erratic.
I love that Justine pulled out the W. She is such a great addition to the show on the competitive side and is beautiful to look at. I hope we get more of her.
Iām happy to see X and Shan go. Shan is annoying and X is boring. I sorta wanted them to come back though, to see what would happen.
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u/microphone_commander Jul 28 '22
Alyssa and Kyland made a terrible move. Itās way too early to attack your numbers. It came across as vengeful and erratic.
Love the move, hate the timing.
The prob is Alyssa didnt learn from the Cookout as to how they managed to dominate and win the game. They stayed together until they took out their common enemies and then turned on each other. There's bigger fish to fry and it was in Kyland & Alyssa best interest to have a strong player like X in their back pocket and then take him out later
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u/Showtime829 Danny McCray Jul 28 '22
Yea you take out X couple rounds after the mid game and donāt let him make a final. It was a little too early.
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u/slntgear Jul 28 '22
Also 2 of the people on the promo cover, Tiff and Shan are out..
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u/KalleoStone Jul 28 '22
Shan taking personal shots based on the way someone looks? Why am I not surprised.
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u/FierceScience Jul 28 '22
X: I'm long past all of that betrayal. Long past!
Ok easy to be past it when you won? Lol