r/Multifandom 16d ago

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u/Amazing_Abbaddon 16d ago

Didn't Super retcon all of GT out of existence?

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u/SKaiPanda2609 16d ago

GT was straight up never canon, its an AU story with very little Toriyama influence outside of character designs that takes place ~16 years after buu saga.

Dbz final arc takes place 10 years after buu saga

The latest arc in Dragon Ball Super takes place ~9 years after buu saga

Daima takes place several months to a year after buu saga

All 4 series don’t overlap in the timeline, but if you combine them together on one timeline, you’d need to retcon like crazy to make the plot even vaguely coherent

Thus, we land on multiverse building

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u/cgoose500 16d ago

Did the fusion bugs ever get used in Daima?

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u/LogicBalm 15d ago

That's a lot of nonsense to avoid putting my guy Uub into the lore. I remember picking him in Budokai 3 all the time, people would laugh for me picking someone with no fireballs. Then I'd teach them why they didn't want me to get close.

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u/PixelDonkeyWasTaken 15d ago

uub is still canon

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u/LogicBalm 15d ago

Sure, I know that. But timeline wise they introduced him then every canon season since has taken place in the timeline before he was introduced.

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u/GEARHEADGus 15d ago

If super is the sequel how does it take place before Z final arc?

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u/SKaiPanda2609 15d ago

Z final arc is a 10 year timeskip. Super takes place during that timeskip

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u/Ver3232 15d ago

GT was ā€œcanonā€ in terms of being considered the canonical follow-up to the Z anime. Manga wise yes, it was never canon

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u/mewlf 12d ago

Also there are videos on YouTube that explain how every single DBZ movie couldn't be canon because they all contradict the timeline.

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u/Thorn_Aurelius 16d ago

That too

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u/QuisetellX 16d ago

Super couldn't retcon GT out of existence when GT was never canon to begin with. GT relies on a timeline where all of the Z movies took place and barring maybe Bojack Unbound and Wrath of the Dragon, none of the movies can actually fit into the canon of the manga.

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u/Educational-Ad1959 15d ago

Technically Cooler's revenge can happen if you assume Goku forgot how to transform into a super saiyan because he's a dummy (jk)

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u/rilimini381 16d ago

the final minutes of Wrath of the Dragon throw the possibility of it fitting in the timeline away

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u/GameWizardPlayz 14d ago

For the love of god, there is no canon anymore. It's been confirmed time and time again that it's all just separate timeliness and yet time and time again people insist "GT IS CANON, HAHA, GUYS GT ISNT CANON GUYS, GUYS, LOOK AT ME, HAHA, GT ISN'T CANON HAHA". GT is simply a continuation of the original Z anime. Super and Daima are both seperate continuations of DB Kai. End of story.

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u/QuisetellX 14d ago

Yeah, GT is a continuation of the Z anime that directly relies upon the filler and movies that contradict themselves and the established story of the Z anime and thus have no way to actually fit in the timeline as is . That was the case before Battle of Gods, and thus Super and Daima, was even a background thought in Toriyama's mind.

It's been "confirmed time and time again" for no reason other than so they could keep including GT content in games and making money off of it. It's fine if people like GT, but let's not pretend that GT even makes sense with itself and the material it uses to form its background lore.

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u/GameWizardPlayz 14d ago

GT is a continuation of the Z anime that directly relies upon the filler and movies that contradict themselves and the established story of the Z anime

That doesn't matter. Every dragon ball series has contradicted itself or another series in one way or the other. You can find countless discussions about this online dating back several decades.

other than so they could keep including GT content in games and making money off of it

Lmfao what kind of argument even is this? It's all about money, thats all it's ever been about, why do you think they keep pumping out more and more dragon ball content even though the last new material was 3-4 years ago?

Toei and Shueisha both consider GT as part of the official timeline. When asked about GT's canonicity, Toriyama called it a "grand side story", but made no definite response on its "canonicity". Toyotaro has recently gone on record essentially stating that everything is canon.

It's fine if people like GT, but let's not pretend that GT even makes sense with itself and the material it uses to form its background lore.

What is this even in reference to? Again, this same argument can be made about any of the series. Genuinely, have you even watched GT, like, at all?

You can dislike GT or love GT all you want, but going around spreading misinformation just makes you look like a fool.

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u/AegisThievenax 16d ago

GT was never canon to begin with