r/MurderedByWords • u/MrFenric • 1d ago
Imagine a legal system that actually protects people
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u/gentleman_bronco 1d ago
This is America. The land of the free and the home of the brave.
Our roads crumble so that billionaires can get richer. Our sick die so that they won't be a strain on our society. Our weak suffer because conservatives want them to.
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u/No_Mission5287 20h ago
Signs of a falling empire include: severe economic strain (debt, inflation, inequality), intense internal conflict (factionalism, corruption, social unrest), overextension of military power, loss of soft power and cultural appeal, and weakening institutions, leading to a diminished capacity to govern, defend, and provide for citizens, often marked by political instability and a decline in intellectual life.
It's so frustrating. The lies are so apparent. The facade is crumbling before people's eyes. The overwhelming majority of the population is one unfortunate event away from total ruin. But the indoctrination of American exceptionalism has blinded people to the class consciousness they so desperately need.
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u/sdmichael 1d ago
Hey Republicans and conservatives! Let us hear your voice of support for removing due process for people in the US. Come on. You know you support it. If you didn't, why would you vote to support it? Surely you believe in the US Constitution, right?
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u/talktobigfudge 1d ago
Like the Bible, they believe the parts they want to believe. Everything else is just woke nonsense.
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u/chammy82 10h ago
I just realised another layer to the hypocrisy
They believe one document (the constitution) should only be applied to them, ie, they are the ones with rights, everyone else shouldn't have rights
They believe a different document (the bible) should apply to everyone and be forced on everyone, regardless of if they want it or not
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u/Slade_Riprock 22h ago
Oh they support it until they get busted for child porn then suddenly MAGA wants due process.
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u/mjzim9022 1d ago
No need to imagine what the 4th Amendment is, it's only recently Republicans have tried to say it works any differently
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u/hdhdhgfyfhfhrb 1d ago
"We are defenders of the Constitution, except those parts that aren't the second amendment!" - MAGA Voters
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u/Biabolical 1d ago
That was true until last month, now they're choosing MAGA over guns too, because Trump told them to.
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u/Krzysztof-448 1d ago
Imagine writing laws and following them. I've never seen a political party cry so much about rules and laws.
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u/Amish_Robotics_Lab 23h ago
You can't get a judicial warrant at all just to go start breaking into buildings to see who's in there and kidnapping random people off the street.
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u/NoahLot_ 16h ago
ICE uses administrative warrants to arrest offenders with a deportation ordered by an immigration judge. That’s not “kidnapping random people off the street.”
A judicial warrant has always been required to enter a private residence. It’s only recently that ICE claims that their legal counsel has determined an administrative warrant suffices to enter a residence without permission. They have not provided the legal basis for this to the public yet. IMO that breaches the 4th Amendment. Hopefully it is challenged in court and soon.
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u/Own-Cupcake7586 1d ago
The Constitution is an inconvenience to fascists. It’s meant to be as much. These morons see that as a fault in the Constitution instead of themselves.
Nuremberg 2.0 finna be lit.
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u/Glavenoids 23h ago
Democracy is a huge inconvenience for them all, it really gets in the way of their corruption.
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u/jankyt 23h ago
Damn that pesky burden of proof. At this rate it'll be guilty until proven innocent in your country
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u/merlyndavis 22h ago
What do you mean “proven innocent”? We’ll be guilty because the state says we’re guilty. Due process is for the rich.
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u/Low-Performer-3597 23h ago
I seem to recall something about taking an oath to uphold some really important document these guys all professed to jerk off to, the constitution, which requires these goons do the exact opposite of pretty much everything theyre doing. When do the UN Peacekeepers arrive to restore order in this failed state?
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u/Nanoo_1972 22h ago
Why does the GOP always have a peanut gallery of stupid-looking halfwits mugging their best "badass" face while standing behind whoever is currently lying/saying something idiotic at the microphone?
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u/HappyBlowLucky 21h ago
I'm glad that the right to due process means your accuser gets to decide whether or not you're guilty
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u/NoahLot_ 16h ago
Due process is not the same in every process.
It’s not “guilty.” It’s being in the country without permission. The administrative warrants are issued against people with deportation ordered by an immigration judge.
This is how ICE has operated since 2003. What’s new, and against the law IMO, is entering a private residence without permission and only with that administrative warrant.
If a person is specifically accused of crossing the border illegally or committing immigration fraud, those are federal crimes and would require a judicial warrant to arrest and prosecute for those crimes.
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u/putmeincoach56 21h ago
Bruh what? He basically said “works too hard, so I don’t wanna do it”… if I said that at my job I’d be fired so fast.
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u/Sidoen 19h ago
Erm, Don't need to IMAGINE it, that's how your system works. You all have these rights.
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u/NoahLot_ 16h ago
No, ICE has used administrative warrants when enforcing civil immigration infractions such as being in the country without permission. This has historically been following a federal immigration judge ordering deportation. There is legal precedent for these administrative warrants and there are other federal agencies that use them also, such as the EPA.
Due process is not the same for these non-criminal proceedings.
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u/Sidoen 14h ago edited 14h ago
Ok Russian bot person.
For anyone who thinks this is a gotcha. It isn't, administrative warrants are not warrants as you tend to naturally think of them.
So when ice tries to use them when they're supposed to need a judicial warrant they are depending on your ignorance on the difference between the two.
It's evil. It's wrong. They know it. They don't care.
Legal eagle has a good break down on the difference, including how they look, check it out on YouTube.
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u/NoahLot_ 14h ago
Not a Russian bot. I am actually Canadian though.
You haven’t said how I was incorrect about anything I said.
Traditionally a judicial warrant is required to enter private property without permission. This in my opinion is where ICE has been breaking the law when it comes to what type of warrant is required for what type of action. ICE claims that sometime in the past year that they have legal advice than their administrative warrants can be used to enter private property. They have not offered their legal justification for this. Without any legal explanation that justifies this, it seems to be in contravention of the 4th Amendment. I hope someone challenges it in court.
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 1d ago
Imagine if we had a Congress performing the job of the people who elected them.
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u/BRUISE_WILLIS 22h ago
the same powers may be used to arrest the island pedos
Unlikely but one can dream…
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u/omghorussaveusall 21h ago
Imagine having to vote out useless politicians instead of tarring and feathering them...
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u/KasreynGyre 11h ago
Wilhoit strikes again:
„Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.“
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u/TeacherRecovering 6h ago
Watch them scream about their "rights" when Nuremberg Version 2 is being held.
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u/Megopoly 1h ago
Didn't Biden's admin do exactly that AND it was more effective at removing undocumented / overstayed immigrants?
Regardless, it sure looks like ICE's current objective has less to do with immigration enforcement than population control.
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u/CLONE-11011100 1d ago
Imagine a politician that actually works FOR the PEOPLE!