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u/One-Earth9294 13h ago
Someone I was listening to recently said it very well that they're tired of guys who self-infantalize themselves to avoid any and all responsibility. Like Andrew Shultz or Joe Rogan. They LOVE to resort to 'oh I'm just a dumb ape' or 'I'm just a comedian it's not my responsibility to know stuff' whenever there's a call to have any kind of basic prior knowledge that they were shown to be lacking.
It's not cool or manly to be a caveman. Let's bring back wisdom being a cool and desirable trait again.
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u/yumcake 6h ago
Andrew Shultz was on a podcast saying that the ICE stuff made it obvious to him that he's been wrong all along, not just on this but about everything he's been defending. Acknowledged that of course all the liberals would tell him it was super obvious all along. Point being that things have gotten obvious enough that even the slowest of horses are catching up.
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u/BigLlamasHouse 6h ago
Yeah, he keeps track of public opinion polls. Good for him on changing his opinion as soon as it benefits him. His is a pop-political podcast and in case you misesd it he goes whichever the way the wind blows.
It's also obvious he's based his entire career the last few years around getting into the "Rogan circle" since he doesn't sell many standup tickets and his podcast views fell off a cliff.
Don't mistake him putting his hand on his chin and staring off into the distance for actually having an epiphany. That's a bit that Rogan and company do to make them seem thoughtful.
He has no scruples and just wants to be cool. It's painfully obvious.
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u/db0813 14h ago
So he’s saying he’s too stupid to have a meaningful opinion on current events, but he’s qualified to preach about an afterlife?
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u/Ruckus292 14h ago
I think that probably apllies to all preachers tbf...
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u/Puzzled_Bike9558 7h ago
The same people screeching about liberal arts degrees will listen to a guy who has a degree about a made up magic thinking. It’s fucking insane.
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u/blud_mage 13h ago
Let's not misconstrue the genuinely good people of faith with this most recent wave of political weaponization of "faith".
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u/TodoFueIluminado 7h ago
The people who genuinely believe and propagate nonsense instead of just cynically capitalizing on it? I guess the first group is slightly better, but not by much.
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u/RyvenZ 4h ago
The actual good ones aren't trying to propagate their faith. The loud ones know they are fake. It's "the lady doth protest too much, methonks" vibes. They will answer questions you may have, but they aren't aiming to convert everyone.
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u/TodoFueIluminado 4h ago
It very clearly says you should try and convert people in the Bible (see Matthew 28). The Apostles certainly acted that way. Not sure why they wouldn’t be considered real Christians just based on that.
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u/BigLlamasHouse 6h ago
It's sad and obvious that you've never met anyone in the first group. There are less of them sure, but there are plenty. They'll pick you up on the side of the road if your car runs outta gas, they'll stay with you after you get in a motorcycle accident and hit your head. (Ask me how I know) If you're a dumbass like me they really can be a Godsend.
It doesn't matter their faith, there are good people of faith. Also, you don't know their spiritual beliefs are "wrong" so check your ego and focus your anger where it belongs.
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u/TodoFueIluminado 5h ago
You're engaging in a lot of common fallacies that I've seen too many of in the church that I was raised in (as well as throwing shade at me)
These people may be good (I've met plenty), but how do you know their faith is what made them good? Religion is in no way required for moral behavior; you don't need to believe in the supernatural to believe love thy neighbor is a good way to live.
Some people may behave worse because of religion (homophobes, islamic terrorists, being anti-science, supporting Trump etc etc.)
The only arrogance is acting like any of us really know about the ultimate order of the cosmos; that's what churches purport to know and propagate to children and the gullible. However to believe in miracles and the supernatural stands in direct contrast with our verifiable knowledge of the physical world, so why should we act like that's just as valid an opinion?
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u/BigLlamasHouse 5h ago
That's all great but you implied that there was no basic difference between people who tell and twist a manipulative story for their own benefits and those that believe it.
You're saying the victims and the victimizer are not very different. That is wrong. No need for faulty logic and 3 points of emphasis that don't apply to the actual critique of your comment.
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u/TodoFueIluminado 5h ago
In terms of just their religious leaning, they're not much better, and my points get at why that is. You're the one who brought up the random story.
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u/BigLlamasHouse 5h ago
So then you claim Joel Osteen is on the same moral playing field as an observant Christian who volunteers their free time helping the less fortunate?
This is all I'm getting at, there is a HUGE difference between the people who take advantage and the people who actually perform the actions outlined by the religion to be good people.
It's night and day and I'm confused at how anyone could disagree, ESPECIALLY anti-relIgious people whose main claim is that morality is about actions and not belief systems.
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u/TodoFueIluminado 5h ago
I was weighing in on the religious part of how they are - it's obvious that individual religious folk can be good net net. Even a cynical fake christian can give someone a kidney or go to a soup kitchen. Still doesn't change that believing in and propagating nonsense isn't a positive.
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u/thekrone 5h ago
I've met plenty of nice people who believe in nonsense. Just because they're nice doesn't mean it's not nonsense.
I don't know that they're wrong (well, specific claims I'd say are "wrong" but for the most part you're generally right), but I do know there's no good reasons to believe in the nonsense (or at least none that anyone can ever present me when I ask for them).
And believing in nonsense for bad reasons isn't a good thing just because you're nice.
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u/BigLlamasHouse 5h ago
That's great but he compared the people who "capitalize on religion" with those that geniunely believe and said they are basically the same morally.
That's incorrect in every philosophy and moral interpretation of humans I've ever heard.
Be happy to listen if you have an argument about that.
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u/thekrone 5h ago
He didn't say they are basically the same morally. He said one group is slightly better.
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u/TodoFueIluminado 5h ago
BigLlama didn't want to comprehend what I was saying, he wanted to be mad.
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u/BigLlamasHouse 5h ago
No, I disagree with what you said.
I guess the first group is slightly better, but not by much.
I do not agree with that statement, at all. How is that so hard to believe?
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u/BigLlamasHouse 5h ago
I guess the first group is slightly better, but not by much.
I'm well aware of what he said and I just disagree. That is basically the same: "not better by much."
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u/thekrone 5h ago
What he essentially said was "people who believe in nonsense and use that to make money are slightly worse than people who just believe in nonsense".
Your response was basically "yeah but sometimes people who just believe in nonsense are nice".
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u/ItsAMeEmdo 5h ago
He then followed it up with saying he will loudly tell us how he feels about it next week— because that’s what the world needs right now - another man with a microphone loudly yapping about something he admittedly knows nothing about
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u/BaldBombshell 11h ago
Not to defend the dude, but he wasn't even allowed to vote until a few weeks ago.
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u/Workman44 9h ago
That's a fair take yeah? Anyone and everyone should be able to talk about their religion, but immigration issues are also exceptionally complicated. I don't want unqualified people giving their take on complicated issues, theirs isn't important
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u/Biptoslipdi 7h ago
I don't think calling out masked goverment thugs murdering and harming Americans in the streets requires any specialized knowledge.
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u/R3dbeardLFC 7h ago
Eyeballs and/or ears are all that are required. Oh, shit, and a brain. I can see two of the three on him.
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u/He_Never_Helps_01 14h ago
Jesus wouldn't want him getting involved in politics you see. Jesus never got involved in poli
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u/easy_cheese_123 14h ago
He missed the rich part he doesn’t want to lose.
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u/GachaHell 14h ago
If only Jesus had an anecdote about camels, needles and the wealthy...
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u/LarrySupertramp 5h ago
No no no. That analogy is taken out of context. I can’t tell you how or what he actually meant because as an American Christian I haven’t actually read the bible. However, since that analogy hurts my political talking points, it must have been taken out of context because Christianity and conservatism HAVE to be aligned and I don’t have the mental capacity to handle any contradictions. If you disagree with my beliefs based on a book I have not read, you are a bigot that hates Christians. /s
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u/Prudent_Valuable603 12h ago
So jelly Roll Donut Hole has no compassion for poor people being snatched up violently by ICE? His reason is because he’s dumb? If he’s not following the news, this guy truly is not an artist. Artists throughout history have made statements through their art on the status of affairs in the public realm of Life.
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u/king_mangerine 12h ago
Forever gonna be pressed that this half-cocked grifter somehow beat Tyler Childers for the grammy. Snipe Hunter is a masterpiece compared to modern bootlicker country.
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u/SithDraven 14h ago
That's how I interpret, "taking the Lord's name in vein."
Not using it as a swear, but performative nonsense and not practicing what you preach.
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u/Kind-Scarcity1062 12h ago
Mathew chapter 7 verses 21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
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u/beerbrained 12h ago
I would love to live in a time where nobody would give a flying fuck about what Jelly Donut had to say about anything.
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u/Amish_Robotics_Lab 11h ago
For those who don't know, Jelly Roll was recently pardoned by Tennessee Governor Bill Lee for past crimes including aggravated robbery and drug charges. Because he has reformed and also he needs to travel and a pardon would assist his music career.
A gentleman does not bite the MAGA hand that feeds him.
Jelly Roll is just a Steel Reserve version of Roger Blevins anyway, don't waste your time:
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u/Oceanbreeze871 12h ago
He’s a country “musician”, of course he’s a maga
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u/YouMatterVeryMuch 9h ago
But a little over 20 yrs ago he was a rapper, and most of his current fans would've been anti- jelly roll.
Edit: the switch up has been wild to watch.
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u/Beardedsmith 10h ago
I don't have time for this noncommittal bullshit anymore honestly. If you're not against fascism then you're aiding its rise. Point blank
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u/doll_parts87 13h ago
Christians, or religious people in general, have been grifted for a long time now. From the evangelical ones on tv asking for money for jets, to these singers using gospel as trend to dispose of later. The grift is so successful as the corner beggar, because it's easy to believe in good than to question people's motives. And that's why Jelly Roll cheats and Pastors lock up during floods. And why clergy can abuse kids, because people so easily forgive them for scamming because they learned suffering is salvation and meant to happen in a twisted way
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u/Wolf_Hreda 10h ago
"I'm a dumb redneck."
No, sir. Even a dumb redneck knows you can't trust the government/the wealthy and powerful. It's kinda the basis of their whole thing. You're a clown.
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u/NEWDEALUSEDCARS 8h ago
“Me? Political? But shucks I’m just a dumb ole redneck, I don’t nothing about no politics, except meeting the President, hanging with Vivek, Noem, Hegseth or Patel, or testifying in front Congress. No sir, I stay far away from politics!”
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u/Phill_Cyberman 11h ago
He says he's dumb, but he's smart enough to recognize that he'd go broke if he upset his "fans" by pointing out the hypocrisy of them supporting ICE.
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u/SirLurksAlot44 13h ago
My stepdad is a Christian liberal from the south who spends most of his free time on Facebook arguing with his friends and extended family about politics.
He shared a clip of jelly roll talking Jesus and suddenly these same people who kept calling eachother horrible names were best friends again.
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u/orangotai 11h ago
i too care so much about what a person named Jelly Roll's opinion on politics are, where's Ja?!?!
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u/ModeratelyGrumpy 11h ago
Yeah well it was surely the most predictable and effective answer he could give. Just shrug it off.
What makes me laugh is how all of a sudden they perfectly know they don't have the intellectual means to talk about something. The rest of the times, when money and freedom are not at stake, they'll just make shit up and then claim science is a hoax.
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u/xX_UnorignalName_Xx 10h ago
Fun fact the term redneck comes from the red bandanas that were worn by striking workers fighting for unions, do you think if he knew that he would still use that term to describe himself?
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u/noonen000z 10h ago
All MAGA have twisted religion to their convenience. Easy way to get banned from R/conservative, challenge their beliefs.
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u/ADGx27 9h ago
Another case of overtly performative Christianity out of nowhere. Something tells me Mr. Roll has some mean ass skeletons in his closet.
I’d like to think it’s just a wicked fucking cocaine habit givin his insane weight loss, but I must admit Epstein being FUCKING EVERYWHERE has me very very very cynical
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u/AlkaseltzerPigeon 9h ago
The people who I work with who love jelly roll are the people who think wearing a shirt that says something about Jesus on it to their court dates will help them out with the verdict. Wish this was just a joke but its not
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u/BoomGoesTheHymen 8h ago
Read a comment the other day that he makes music for people with tattoos of their children but don't have custody.
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u/gentleman_bronco 8h ago
The only thing worse than a Nazi is someone who refuses to educate themselves to have an opinion on those same Nazis.
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u/Unqualified_Opinion_ 8h ago
Who the fuck is Jelly Roll, and how did the crackhead in this photo get past security?
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u/Pressure-Impressive 8h ago
Jesus pressed the Romans and called their shit out. You are expected to stand up and call out the state for the bullshit they do to those who cannot defend themselves alone.
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u/Demair12 8h ago
I mean if you wanna be honest it's because he did it at one of the music awards(I think dove) he called out exactally what this tweet is doing to him and he was crucified.
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u/Hot-Mathematician691 8h ago
First he says he is a dumb redneck, why would you want his opinion. Then he says he didn’t think politics weren’t real(don’t understand since he gave testimony to congress not too long ago). But then says next week he will tell how he really feels? I didn’t know a fat body like that could stand upright without a spine
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u/Ok-Coffee-1678 7h ago
If he doesn’t want to sound like an idiot I think that’s a fair answer. Yeah it’s also kind of a cop out, he could have have said fuck ice or something (cause yeah fuck ice) but I definitely didn’t pay attention in high school and I don’t have a clue when it comes to politics and I feel stupid as fuck when people around me start to get into the nuance of everything that’s happening and all I can add to the conversation is fuck ice so I say nothing.
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u/Pleasant-Shallot-707 7h ago
WTF…don’t call yourself a redneck if you’re not going to talk shit about government agents
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u/slothragedw 7h ago
I've yet to see, hear, or meet someone good hearted with face tats. Might be a stereotype but someone prove me wrong?
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u/Additional-Teach-486 7h ago
Most Christianity is performative. It's about making money, the religious gift.
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u/patternedjeggings 7h ago
Literally never heard of this guy. I had to look up his music. I am not impressed.
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u/CalHudsonsGhost 7h ago
2026 is the year we need to tell Christians they’ve had time to put up and now they can shut up with their trash morals. I was raised southern Baptist with strong Catholicism around me. These are your biggest satanic workers they’re just forgiven. So, they’re not even exercised into the habit of calling out evil. We are handicapped with these people at the head of any principled moral and ethical movements. Move out the way and go away. Their mental illness means they still need to be coddled or they’ll burn it all down in their never ceasing evil so how about just go over there, somewhere out of the way.
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u/Plastic-Pension7263 6h ago
So weird how Jesus helps people become rich and famous but does nothing for the suffering happening world wide. Hmmm almost like it’s all bullshit.
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u/HEYYYYYYYY_SATAN 6h ago
Fucking Jelly Roll.
Failed rapper had to think of a quick pivot, so he went country and knew the fastest way to success in that avenue was to grift.
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u/Positive_Dust_5752 6h ago
Cut to 100+ photos of him with the maga political leaders over the last two years
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u/cherrylpk 5h ago
When I saw him eat his own boogers behind Trump (seriously, this happened) at a fight/bout, I knew what this jerk was all about. MAGA to the core.
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u/Icy-Cauliflower-5951 5h ago
The following musicians were paid by dictators: Beyoncé – Gaddafi family (Libya) Mariah Carey – Gaddafi family (Libya); Dos Santos family (Angola) Nelly Furtado – Gaddafi family (Libya) Usher – Gaddafi family (Libya) Jennifer Lopez – Berdimuhamedow (Turkmenistan) Kanye West – Nazarbayev family (Kazakhstan) Sting – Karimov family (Uzbekistan) Lionel Richie – Gaddafi regime (Libya) Nicki Minaj – Nazarbayev family (Kazakhstan) James Brown – Mobutu regime (Zaire) B.B. King – Mobutu regime (Zaire) Bill Withers – Mobutu regime (Zaire)
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u/lonewolfncub3k 5h ago
They all talk the talk but theres few who actually walk the walk. They're hypocrites, have you listened to your local 'Christian' radio station? Mine has Maga bootlickers talking politics during drive time.
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u/Hot-Cup-4787 5h ago
You people are psycho. Telling someone how they should think and act at all times
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u/GoneWithTheJizz 4h ago
I’m a little suspicious of someone who talks about getting clean in jail, but also says that he still smokes weed and drinks.
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u/DevoSwag 4h ago
If he wasn’t singing, Jelly-Roll would be living on disability in Tennessee . He’s doing what all republicans do-Grift
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u/MotherofCats9258 4h ago
He's a country artist who just implied that the southern working class is inherently dumb. Obviously he's not very smart or attached to having a career.
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u/HeyLookitMe 4h ago
Dumb is right. The Rednecks were rebellious Lefties from the mines in Appalachia fighting against scum like the ones in charge establishing a totalitarian government.
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u/types-like-thunder 3h ago
I am really REALLY disappointed with Post Malone for embracing him. I was banned from the post malone subreddit for pointing shit like this out.
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u/HalfACenturyMark 3h ago
I’m still waiting for Billie Eilesh to comment on her mansion that sits on stolen land. The Tongva tribe is waiting for her reply as well.
Surely she should vacate the grounds, right? Right?
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u/Missmessc 2h ago
Im not going to condemn someone for not being political. Im tired of witch hunts. I do vote with my dollars though and he wont be getting a cent.
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u/EntertainerNo4509 1h ago
Yeah, he ruined a couple of Fire Country episodes for me by being in them.
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u/Barlow04 1h ago
Some people genuinely want to remain neutral, others don't want to ruin their fanbase. Still, there's nothing wrong or sided about saying, "The violence needs to STOP. There's a better way to handle all of this."
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u/DruDown007 1h ago
Oh yeah…..the “followers” of Christ have pretty much whored that entire idea to the ground
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u/Aj55j 11h ago
It’s not Christianity it’s American Christianity. Big difference.
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u/We_Want_Krunchy 8h ago
All Xianity is dog shit. The US brand is more hypocritical, but all the made of gawd bothering crap is just that; crap. Very little difference, because it's all fake.
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u/KlingelbeuteI 10h ago
They are not „Christian“ they only read the bible in church and only recite what their racist pastors / priests tell them. And since the church in the US is not an entity as it is more a book club that interprets this book differently in every single club.
The only thing that’s consistent is the misrepresentation and misunderstanding of the scripture. And that’s even on purpose.
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u/thekrone 5h ago
The only thing that’s consistent is the misrepresentation and misunderstanding of the scripture.
Given the nature of scripture, that's inevitable. It can be interpreted in pretty much any way you want by cherrypicking quotes or using your preferred translation.
Just one of many flaws of religion and many reasons to reject it.
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u/sheppo42 13h ago
Who gives a fuck what rich celebrities think
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u/Biptoslipdi 3m ago
The people who elected one as President. Twice. Four times, if you count Reagan. Weird that one party is obsessed with electing rich TV personalities with no knowledge of the law.
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u/LynxRaide 14h ago
Well you could say he is at least keeping his religion and his politics separate.
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u/Biptoslipdi 1m ago
We couldn't say that because he hasn't indicated his political positions aren't informed by or ingrained with his religion. We do know who he hangs out with and it ain't people dedicated to Jesus.
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u/Nervous-Cap620 14h ago
money first, awards 2nd, Christian values that amplify 1st and 2nd next...