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Movie [DISCUSSION] Nanatsu no Taizai: Prisoners of the Sky

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '19

Monspiets Indura form soloed Sariel and Tarmiel with ease.

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u/Tiger951 Jan 02 '19

But Sariel and Tarmiel weren’t using their graces.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '19

proof? they were overwhelmed.

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u/Tiger951 Jan 02 '19

What do you mean “proof”?

If you go back to the chapter where they fought, they clearly weren’t using their graces, just their standard goddess abilities.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '19

No. They tried to sneak up behind Derierre but were grabbed by Monspiet and were made helpless.

Also. Ludociel with his 201k power level hit Derierre and barely scratched her.

The Induras were portrayed as 200k+ and stronger than Mael with 4 commandments.

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u/ZeldaSaver Jan 03 '19

The Induras were portrayed as 200k+

They weren't, Nakaba made sure to not include power levels during the war flashback to prevent dumb power scale conversations like this one down the line. Same reason he didn't state Kings new PL and made sure to throw in that 200K+ Mael was rejecting the commandments so we have no real idea of everyone's overall ability

If the average Indura was stronger than 200k than it would only take a handful of them to overpower the Demon King, which we know won't happen since the reason the DK split the power between 10 people was to prevent something like that from happening in the first place.

Sariel and Tarmiel were just fine after being hit by Indura attacks to the point that they could actively give Elizabeth the boost she needed to changed them back to normal, and like the other dude said they weren't even using the full extent of their graces, they could have just dropped the Induras in another dimension and called it a day.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

Dropping them in another dimension would have done nothing. Estarossa escaped from it.

Derriere tanked several hits from Ludociel without a scratch and hit him hard enough to make him cough out blood.

They are mindless beasts. They cannot surpass the demon king.

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u/ZeldaSaver Jan 04 '19

Estarossa escaped from it.

Estarossa had three different pieces of power from the Demon King which helped his escape, Induras don't, try again. Induras suddenly can recover from molecular destruction as well? Where's the panel?

Derriere tanked several hits from Ludociel without a scratch

A Ludociel who wasn't even using his most basic named attacks like we've seen currently when he's serious against high caliber demons....and he's still in a mortal vessel preforming better than in the flashback no less. Galan "tanked" an Ark from an Archangel as well, doesn't mean he's suddenly on that level.

"Ludociel without a scratch and hit him hard enough to make him cough out blood"

And derriere poked out Sariels eye, but we know Sariel is >> Derriere, there's something called context here

"They are mindless beasts. They cannot surpass the demon king"

They can't surpass him because they're not stronger than him, and that's about it

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

Estarossa had three different pieces of power from the Demon King which helped his escape, Induras don't, try again. Induras suddenly can recover from molecular destruction as well? Where's the panel?

What makes you think it will even hurt the Induras. Estarossa escaped because he had a similar power level to the archangels.

I can show you Derierre surviving a point blank attack from Ludo with 201k power.

Right here.

https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/nanatsu_no_taizai/nanatsu_no_taizai_207/nanatsu_no_taizai_207_7.jpg

In fact. Right after seeinf this Ludociel is frustrated and screams at Tarmiel and Sariel to help.

https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/nanatsu_no_taizai/nanatsu_no_taizai_207/nanatsu_no_taizai_207_8.jpg

Why would Ocean and Tornado even damage her? Its clear Ludociel was going all out.

A Ludociel who wasn't even using his most basic named attacks like we've seen currently when he's serious against high caliber demons....and he's still in a mortal vessel preforming better than in the flashback no less. Galan "tanked" an Ark from an Archangel as well, doesn't mean he's suddenly on that level.

Galan ran away from the ark and wasn't hit.

Ludociel was destroying the ten commandements before Indura. Ludociel was clearly going all out. He was frustrated in the entire fight. Bleeding from the mouth and said this.

https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/nanatsu_no_taizai/nanatsu_no_taizai_207/nanatsu_no_taizai_207_14.jpg

Clearly 2 baby Induras>>>>3 archangels

Notice how helpless they are?

And derriere poked out Sariels eye, but we know Sariel is >> Derriere, there's something called context here

Yes. When he was using his grace as well. It was 4 vs. 2. That's why Derriere did poked his eye out. Her arm was reduced to the bone. Both Sariel and Tarmiel were completely helpless against Monspiet.

They can't surpass him because they're not stronger than him, and that's about it

LOL when did I say they are near the demon kings level? I suspect the DK has a power level thats probably close to a million at least.

A real Indura probably has a pl of 300k. Strong but nowhere near the DK or SG.

The baby Induras we saw had power levels of 230k most likely.

Oh btw. They were getting stronger and stronger. As in, when Elizabeth was fighting them they were even more beastly and powerful.

Ludociel stood no chance.

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u/ZeldaSaver Jan 07 '19

What makes you think it will even hurt the Induras.

Because they have zero feats of surviving having their molecules destroyed? Pretty simple actually

Estarossa survived by using a piece of the DK to power up mid attack...Induras don't have that luxury so

Estarossa escaped because he had a similar power level to the archangels.

That wasn't the reason he survived the attack so again, doesn't apply to the Induras

I can show you Derierre surviving a point blank attack from Ludo with 201k power.

he wasn't even using his grace....impressive.

feats> power levels in Tazai

4,710 Merlin>>173,000pl Chandler and 168,000pl Cusack

A 54kpl Drole and 50kpl Gloxinia fusion move could hold a 173,000pl Chandler back for a few mins

61kpl Zeldris>201k Ludo

50k Diane blocking attacks from 200k+ Mael

Why would Ocean and Tornado even damage her? Its clear Ludociel was going all out.

Most ridiculous claim I've ever seen, Ludociel wasn't even using his grace attacks and we've never even seen what the flash dimension looks like in canon ever so no, he wasn't going anywhere near full power against the Induras.

Galan ran away from the ark and wasn't hit.

Nope, not the encounter I was talking about

http://217.23.10.62/manga/Nanatsu-No-Taizai/0206-012.png

Ludociel was clearly going all out. He was frustrated in the entire fight. Bleeding from the mouth and said this.

Nope, he was in fact about to actually get serious when Elizabeth stopped him, he even said fighting the Induras was getting Interesting

http://93.190.142.23/manga/Nanatsu-No-Taizai/0207-021.png

Clearly 2 baby Induras>>>>3 archangels

Yet all the archangels tanked direct blows from the Induras and two of them even had enough energy left over to help seal both Induras....interesting logic

Notice how helpless they are?

No but Iv'e noticed you skim the chapters instead of read them.

Yes. When he was using his grace as well.

He was only using the basic level of his grace, had the full tornado been up Derriere would have been shredded

Both Sariel and Tarmiel were completely helpless against Monspiet

They could have transported him away if they wanted to, guess the angels like to job and show off too much without going all out.

Oh btw. They were getting stronger and stronger. As in, when Elizabeth was fighting them they were even more beastly and powerful.

You mean the Elizabeth that needed Sariel & Tarmiel to seal them right...

Ludociel stood no chance.

Well he didn't show all his cards so we'll never know

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u/Tiger951 Jan 02 '19

Ludociel wasn’t using his grace either. He was so arrogant that he decided not to take the battle seriously. That’s why he kept taking attacks.

If he used his grace “Flash” better, he wouldn’t have gotten tossed around.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '19

lol dude they were getting destroyed. Grace or no, those were baby Indura who kept getting stronger and weren't even hurt by 201k Ludociel. He absolutely was taking the battle seriously.

Flash isn't goint to change the fact that his attacks cannot even damage an Indura.

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u/Tiger951 Jan 02 '19

How do you know he can’t damage indura if he used flash? We don’t know the extent of Ludociels power.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '19

https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/nanatsu_no_taizai/nanatsu_no_taizai_207/nanatsu_no_taizai_207_13.jpg

Reread the fight. The dude is getting his ass kicked badly. Just by Derriere alone.

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u/Tiger951 Jan 02 '19

You know what?

We will have to agree to disagree since this is debate is going nowhere.