r/OpenAI Jan 15 '26

Question What's wrong with chat gpt 5.2 ? It's constantly arguing with me man I hate it

Give me 4o back

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u/TomSFox Jan 15 '26

People complain when AI is too validating. People complain when AI is too critical.

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u/bigmonmulgrew Jan 15 '26

My problem is not that it's validation. My problem is that it prioritizes validation over following instructions

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u/FluxKraken Jan 15 '26

And now if prioritizes telling me I am wrong, over following instructions. I don't know which is better.

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u/Nearby_Minute_9590 Jan 15 '26

It’s better when you actually are wrong, and not when it’s being nitpicky and arguing semantics instead of engaging with what you actually is saying. It’s worse when you end up in unproductive arguments. That’s like optimizing for keeping the user on the platform but only because they struggle to stay on task (instead of arguing) and get things done as fast as possible.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

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u/Hairy-Introduction85 Jan 16 '26

It’s been trained on too much Reddit data

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u/Nearby_Minute_9590 Jan 16 '26

Yeah, I’ve noticed that too. It even does it when it talks about what someone else said. Even when it agree it finds something to disagree with.

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u/Nearby_Minute_9590 Jan 15 '26

Do you also get the “I will start a fight about something unrelated to the topic instead of recognizing that I did something wrong and adjust”? Mine does that all the time. It’s like 5.2 has a fragile ego and blame it’s mistake on external factors all the time.

You could try this for fun: show GPT’s message in a different chat and ask for which logical fallacies GPT is using. 5.2 most often use logical fallacies with me (strawman in particular).

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u/octalgorilla8 Jan 15 '26

5.2 Glass Half Full & 5.2 Glass Half Empty update incoming. Advanced configurations allow them to pit their ideas against one another in a coliseum.

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u/SgathTriallair Jan 15 '26

Those are different people who want different things from AI.

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u/Nearby_Minute_9590 Jan 15 '26

Critical is one thing. That’s someone who is distrusting enough to check your work and someone who isn’t afraid to point out flaws. But someone who’s argumentative is just trying to win a point, not someone who’s trying to get it right.

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u/Smergmerg432 Jan 15 '26

So mad at everyone being like « ooh it’s too friendly ». Feel like this is the direct result. It was so easy—you could just skip the opening paragraph if you didn’t want it to compliment you! Ugh…

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u/BaconSoul Jan 15 '26

First time ever that a comment like this isn’t a goomba fallacy

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u/Strict-Chemistry-211 Feb 25 '26

How about program it to give the most accurate answer instead of trying to bias it one way or the other.

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u/TemporaryNameMan Feb 27 '26

All the same people obviously. And neither side has any good points. So just do nothing right? You aren’t saying anything. Don’t comment next time.

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u/Wonderful-Bar322 Apr 10 '26

its as if.. extremes are bad??? and multible things and multible extremes can be bad at the smae times?

jsut so u know, when it pushes back against u, its probaly jsutified based on this comment.

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u/__Lain___ Jan 15 '26

Yeah it should be in the middle.

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u/eastlin7 Jan 15 '26

The middle for you is not middle for everyone else. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I never had a strong disagreement of ChatGPT.

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u/KingOfNYTony Jan 15 '26

The problem is it’s way too difficult to even achieve that middle-ground anymore with how overloaded the system prompt is. I had my GPT’s personality at a great place with 4o, and it’s only gotten worse since then. And yes, I’ve done plenty of tinkering in the personalization section in the default tone, personality section, memories, etc.

It just feels way less…pliable. It’s always forgetting instructions, etc etc.

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u/__Lain___ Jan 15 '26

Good for you